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Title: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: joeactor on June 23, 2017, 01:56:41 PM
Ken Hambone is not happy:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/creationist-ken-ham-blames-atheists-ark-park-failure/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/creationist-ken-ham-blames-atheists-ark-park-failure/)
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Dave on June 23, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
Is there not likely to be a large constituency, including reactionary, fundamentalist elephants in Congress, who will jerk their knees and try to use Ham's string of crap to inflame the holy bigots?

Could be even more uncomfortable to be a declared atheist in Red Neck Country.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on June 23, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
Well, to be honest, I only signed up to be a godless heathen for the power of mind control.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Davin on June 23, 2017, 02:47:09 PM
I think that makes it official, atheists are more powerful than their god. I guess in this case, it is not the followers of Baal who get burned.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Recusant on June 23, 2017, 04:42:40 PM
What a dopey weasel. On the other hand, GO Team A! :mb lol:
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Tank on June 23, 2017, 05:00:20 PM
What a horrendous stain that man is in the underpants of humanity. Arse dribble of the worst sort!
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 23, 2017, 05:01:12 PM
I always knew being an atheist means we have superpowers; coupled with the ever-powerful secular media we beat Ken Ham who certainly must have god on his side! :snicker:

What's he going to do next I wonder?

Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 23, 2017, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: Tank on June 23, 2017, 05:00:20 PM
What a horrendous stain that man is in the underpants of humanity. Arse dribble of the worst sort!

I like that way of putting it.  :sidesmile:

He truly is disgusting.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Ali on June 23, 2017, 05:25:35 PM
Wait, what is the argument here? That we made people not want to go to his shitty "museum" by blogging about it or something? I would think that if religious people wanted to go to his thing, they would and not care what atheists think. And if lots of people were going, it would be a success and they'd get more investers and whatever. It's almost like this guy is dishonest and wants to blame others for his failings!
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Arturo on June 23, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
Quote from: Ali on June 23, 2017, 05:25:35 PM
Wait, what is the argument here? That we made people not want to go to his shitty "museum" by blogging about it or something? I would think that if religious people wanted to go to his thing, they would and not care what atheists think. And if lots of people were going, it would be a success and they'd get more investers and whatever. It's almost like this guy is dishonest and wants to blame others for his failings!

Funny. Cuz that's EXACTLY what it is lol. His kind of Christian are the kind with a persecution complex and little self esteem lol
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Velma on June 25, 2017, 03:05:51 AM
Nothing at all to do with the fact that he put it in an area without any other attractions nearby or charged an admission fee that is out of reach of many of the people the park is aimed at. I can't locate it right now, but I read an article that said the park has not done much of anything for the local economy. If anything, it has nearly bankrupted the area as all the promised economic growth that was supposed to come after the park opened failed to materialize, in addition to the stunning amount of tax breaks given to the park.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Icarus on June 25, 2017, 06:35:51 PM
Kentucky has a governor who a similar simpleton.  The governor wants to have "prayer patrols" so that crime in Louisville will be diminished. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/angry-kentucky-governor-matt-bevin-claims-cr

Come to think of it, Rand Paul is from Kentucky and he is also an odd ball, just not to the same extent as Ham and Bevin.  Could there be some correlation between the quirky behavior of Kentuckians and the fact that the state has an impressive array of distilleries of hard liquor. ?
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: Icarus on June 25, 2017, 06:35:51 PM
Kentucky has a governor who a similar simpleton.  The governor wants to have "prayer patrols" so that crime in Louisville will be diminished. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/angry-kentucky-governor-matt-bevin-claims-cr

Come to think of it, Rand Paul is from Kentucky and he is also an odd ball, just not to the same extent as Ham and Bevin.  Could there be some correlation between the quirky behavior of Kentuckians and the fact that the state has an impressive array of distilleries of hard liquor. ?
I always thought Kentuckians were skinny, gap toothed, straggly bearded, barefooted, dungaree and tatty straw hat wearing, people who danced in a jerky, gangly sort of way.

Or is that only the women (who are all called Sue-Ellen, Sue-Mary, Sue-Ann, Ellie-May, Ellie-Ann or similar)?

PS: tsk, I forgot "banjo playin' "
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Claireliontamer on June 25, 2017, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: Velma on June 25, 2017, 03:05:51 AM
Nothing at all to do with the fact that he put it in an area without any other attractions nearby or charged an admission fee that is out of reach of many of the people the park is aimed at.

I looked at the website out of interest and thought it seemed really expensive to take a family there.  There also doesn't look to be that much there, a big wooden boat and a few animals.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 12:20:39 AM
Quote from: Icarus on June 25, 2017, 06:35:51 PM
Kentucky has a governor who a similar simpleton.  The governor wants to have "prayer patrols" so that crime in Louisville will be diminished. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/angry-kentucky-governor-matt-bevin-claims-cr

Prayer patrols! :rofl:

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Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Arturo on June 26, 2017, 03:52:43 AM
Quote from: Icarus on June 25, 2017, 06:35:51 PM
Kentucky has a governor who a similar simpleton.  The governor wants to have "prayer patrols" so that crime in Louisville will be diminished. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/06/angry-kentucky-governor-matt-bevin-claims-cr

Come to think of it, Rand Paul is from Kentucky and he is also an odd ball, just not to the same extent as Ham and Bevin.  Could there be some correlation between the quirky behavior of Kentuckians and the fact that the state has an impressive array of distilleries of hard liquor. ?

My Mom's family is from Kentucky and that's where my sister lives. (That's right I have a sister and it's not magdalena or father bruno) Nothing happens there. I lived there for awhile myself so I should know. I was even admitted to the mental hospital there for awhile and that was even worse! There was only 1 tiny television on the wall in a big ass room with 5 chairs bolted to the floor and one poker table but no playing cards. People were so bored in there that a 50 or so man tried to knock down the door to get out lol They just told him he will be put in restraints if he did that lol
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Velma on June 26, 2017, 04:03:22 AM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on June 25, 2017, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: Velma on June 25, 2017, 03:05:51 AM
Nothing at all to do with the fact that he put it in an area without any other attractions nearby or charged an admission fee that is out of reach of many of the people the park is aimed at.

I looked at the website out of interest and thought it seemed really expensive to take a family there.  There also doesn't look to be that much there, a big wooden boat and a few animals.
General admission for one day for two adults with two children over five is $136. That does not include parking which is $10 to $15. That's pretty steep for an attraction that is little more than a static exhibit. Add in a few souvenirs, meals, lodging, travel expenses, and you've priced yourself out of reach of most of your target audience. Plus, this is not like an amusement park where a family might go back to ride rides they missed on the first trip or to experience new amusements. You would have to do what museums do and put on special exhibits to boost attendance. Yet, you've limited yourself to a very specific moment in an ancient story. If you vary too much from that, you've lost your target audience's interest. It is the same thing he did with his creation museum, which is suffering from falling attendance and profits also. Ham painted himself into a corner with these exhibits and is lashing out to affix blame to anyone but himself.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on June 26, 2017, 06:13:06 AM
Jinkies Velma, your statement is flooded with logic which just sunk Ham's argument. And just think, he may have gotten away with it if you weren't so meddling.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Velma on June 26, 2017, 08:09:33 AM
Yeah, darn me for meddling! But does it count since I don't have a dog?  :d'oh!:
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Tank on June 26, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
They should add exhibits 'Sex in the Bible'. That would get more people in.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 26, 2017, 01:54:49 PM
Quote from: Tank on June 26, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
They should add exhibits 'Sex in the Bible'. That would get more people in.

:rofl: Yes, I believe loads of Bible thumpers would flock to that place if there was such a exhibit.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on June 26, 2017, 02:12:28 PM
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They should add exhibits 'Sex in the Bible'. That would get more people in.

Come to think of it, wouldn't that make some sponsors pull out?
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Tank on June 26, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
Quote from: No one on June 26, 2017, 02:12:28 PM
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They should add exhibits 'Sex in the Bible'. That would get more people in.

Come to think of it, wouldn't that make some sponsors pull out?
But others would push in to replace them so they didn't miss out on any of the action.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Guardian85 on July 18, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
QuoteRecently, a number of articles in the mainstream media, on blogs, and on well-known secularist group websites have attempted to spread propaganda to brainwash the public into thinking our Ark Encounter attraction is a dismal failure.
That damn near blew up my irony meter...  ::)
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: joeactor on July 18, 2017, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on July 18, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
QuoteRecently, a number of articles in the mainstream media, on blogs, and on well-known secularist group websites have attempted to spread propaganda to brainwash the public into thinking our Ark Encounter attraction is a dismal failure.
That damn near blew up my irony meter...  ::)

Ha! For sure...
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Arturo on July 18, 2017, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: joeactor on July 18, 2017, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on July 18, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
QuoteRecently, a number of articles in the mainstream media, on blogs, and on well-known secularist group websites have attempted to spread propaganda to brainwash the public into thinking our Ark Encounter attraction is a dismal failure.
That damn near blew up my irony meter...  ::)

Ha! For sure...

And the Athiests said "it was a dismal failure" and it was a dismal failure. Amen.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Asmodean on July 19, 2017, 06:43:18 AM
...Well, of course it's the atheists!  ::)

I haven't been to that thing. Have you?






See? Atheists. 8)
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Recusant on July 22, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
Ken Ham's tricksy paper-shuffling is going to cost him a bundle.

"Kentucky Officials Have Ended the $18 Million Tax Rebate Deal With Ark Encounter" | Patheos (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/21/kentucky-officials-have-ended-the-18-million-tax-rebate-deal-with-ark-encounter/)

QuoteThe Creationists behind Ark Encounter initially said they were building a for-profit attraction in order to get a lot of perks, including a tourism-related tax rebate (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/01/25/kentucky-judge-rules-that-noahs-ark-theme-park-is-eligible-for-up-to-18-million-in-tax-incentives/) from the state of Kentucky worth more than $18 million over ten years. But after the city of Williamstown said they would add a 50-cent surcharge to all tickets to pay for a safety fee (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/28/ark-encounter-to-avoid-paying-local-safety-fee-now-says-its-a-ministry/), Ken Ham's team sold Ark Encounter to their own non-profit (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/17/creationists-have-sold-ark-encounter-to-themselves-for-10-to-avoid-taxes/), Crosswater Canyon, because religious ministries are exempt from that kind of tax.

Earlier today, the Freedom From Religion Foundation announced that they had sent a letter (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/21/ffrf-to-ky-leaders-if-ark-encounters-now-a-non-profit-rescind-the-tax-rebate/) to the Kentucky Tourism, Arts, and Heritage Cabinet notifying them that, because of the sale and new non-profit status, Ark Encounter is violating the terms of the tax rebate deal.

Guess what? They didn't need to do that. Because three days ago, a lawyer for the Kentucky Tourism, Arts, and Heritage Cabinet sent a letter (https://ffrf.org/images/FFRFArkRecords_7.21.2017.pdf) to the lawyer for Ark Encounter saying the exact same thing.

[Continues . . . (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/21/kentucky-officials-have-ended-the-18-million-tax-rebate-deal-with-ark-encounter/)]

The Kentucky Tourism, Arts, and Heritage Cabinet must be controlled by atheists; it's the only explanation.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Asmodean on July 22, 2017, 11:53:04 AM
What's worse, not only are they atheist, but they are prolly Liberals as well, and don't own one gun between them. Oh, the humanity!
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2017, 12:43:31 PM
A perfect example of how to screw your own pooch!

I love it!
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Guardian85 on July 22, 2017, 05:16:01 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on July 22, 2017, 11:53:04 AM
What's worse, not only are they atheist, but they are prolly Liberals as well, and don't own one gun between them. Oh, the humanity!
Hey! I resent that remark.

I'm a liberal, and I'm armed to the teeth!  ;D
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Asmodean on July 22, 2017, 06:22:49 PM
Those be the least-worst Liberals.  >:(
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on July 22, 2017, 06:55:07 PM
I guess E.F. Hutton is an atheist.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Recusant on November 04, 2018, 03:31:16 PM
There are a few threads here about the Ark Encounter boondoggle/theme park, but this is the first that came up in a search and the mountebank Ham's response ties into the title, so . . .

"Ken Ham Is Furious That Newspapers Accurately Report Ark Encounter's Attendance" | Patheos (https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/11/03/ken-ham-is-furious-that-newspapers-accurately-report-ark-encounters-attendance/)

QuoteAs we learned a week ago, Ark Encounter is not doing as well (https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/10/23/ark-encounter-sold-fewer-tickets-this-september-than-last-september/) as it was a year ago. Not only is attendance declining each month compared to the same time last year, it's declining at a greater rate each month.

Ken Ham never wants to admit this. So like Donald Trump, whenever the media reports the facts, he responds by calling them "fake"... as if they made up the numbers Ark Encounter literally submitted to the city. Ham's argument is that attendance is up... but the media only covers paid tickets, not the people who walk through the doors, many of whom get in for free because they're kids or people with lifetime passes.

The Lexington Herald-Leader recently reported on all of this (https://www.kentucky.com/news/state/kentucky/article220537340.html) — backing up its claims with numbers — but Ham isn't having any of it. He cares about math as much as he cares about science. So he's lashing out with an article (https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2018/11/02/media-bias-again/) all about "media bias."

My favorite response may be this one where he just tries proving his point by breaking out the A-word:

QuoteThe ultimate source for this article is not AiG but local atheists who have continued to voice their disdain/hatred against the Ark (and Creation Museum) and do all they can to spread misinformation in their failed attempts to undermine the phenomenal success of the Ark and Museum attractions.

[Continues . . . (https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/11/03/ken-ham-is-furious-that-newspapers-accurately-report-ark-encounters-attendance/)]
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Tank on November 04, 2018, 03:55:31 PM
 If you want to find a liar find a theist.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 07, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
Quote...the phenomenal success of the Ark and Museum attractions.

:lol:

Is Ken Ham having a go at trying to start some Fake News in hope that it will go viral?
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Tank on November 08, 2018, 05:59:13 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 07, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
Quote...the phenomenal success of the Ark and Museum attractions.

:lol:

Is Ken Ham having a go at trying to start some Fake News in hope that it will go viral?

I don't think he has the brains.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on November 08, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Mr Ham is about as bright as a wet match in a dark room.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Essie Mae on November 08, 2018, 08:41:43 PM
He's taken in a lot of people, though what that says about them .......
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Bluenose on November 09, 2018, 12:36:13 AM
I would likle to express my gratitude to the people of the USA for providing a place for little Kenny to prove how utterly stupid he is.  Especially because that place is not Australia.  Please keep him, we don't want him back!
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on November 09, 2018, 12:50:09 AM
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trackie.com%2Ftrack-and-field%2Fimg%2Flayout%2Ficon_quote.jpg&hash=c5a9d5ac5c9c0366d813e18a50510fe9aa16bfc2)Essie Mae:
He's taken in a lot of people, though what that says about them .......

...... they probably couldn't spell IQ.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 09, 2018, 01:56:42 AM
Quote from: Bluenose on November 09, 2018, 12:36:13 AM
I would likle to express my gratitude to the people of the USA for providing a place for little Kenny to prove how utterly stupid he is.  Especially because that place is not Australia.  Please keep him, we don't want him back!

You're welcome -- he does rather blend in here.  (I wonder if cannibals would take him if we buttered him and put parsley behind his ears?)
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on November 09, 2018, 02:56:38 AM
No, they wouldn't Sandra, they think clowns taste funny.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 09, 2018, 03:49:02 AM
Quote from: No one on November 09, 2018, 02:56:38 AM
No, they wouldn't Sandra, they think clowns taste funny.

Rats.
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: No one on November 09, 2018, 04:45:09 AM
Do rats even like nuts?
Title: Re: Ark park failure blamed on atheists?
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 09, 2018, 07:51:31 PM
Quote from: No one on November 09, 2018, 04:45:09 AM
Do rats even like nuts?

They'll eat pizza, so I figure they're up for anything.