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General => History => Topic started by: Icarus on December 14, 2014, 06:50:36 PM

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on December 14, 2014, 06:50:36 PM
Tuesday Dec. 16th will be the 70th anniversary of the beginning of the Battle of The Bulge. The Ardennes area of Belgium and Luxembourg was the scene of the bloodiest battle of WWII. The area has dense forests and narrow valleys, a wretched  place to fight a military battle. Six hundred thousand American troops took on the German armies and for six weeks of bitter cold they fought. There were 80,300 casualties on the American side and 81,800 on the German side. The Americans suffered 10,300 dead and the Germans 12,700. Thousands more, on both sides, became MIA.

The US side prevailed and immediately thereafter the allied forces attacked the Germans, from several fronts in unison, eventually leading the Nazis to surrender.

Yesterday, the 13th, a parade and other activities took place in Bastogne Belgium to commemorate the anniversary. The Belgians continue to display some gratitude for the American sacrifices there.

Wars are stupid and barbaric wherever they may be fought. The people of Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, England and elsewhere lived through a few of them and they know better than we Americans how senseless, futile, and destructive the acts of war can be.

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on December 14, 2014, 07:48:18 PM
Hitler was a silly bugger.  He knew what happened to the 1918 Spring Offensive (the Kaiserschlacht) so he had to try it again in 1944.  Most people realised it didn't have a cat's chance in hell ,which the Kaiserschlacht certainly did have.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on October 25, 2015, 04:48:39 PM
Today is the 600th anniversary of the battle of Poitiers, which rivals Crécy for the greatest English slaughter of Frenchmen.  Raise yout glasses, folks!

Not so happily it's also the anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 26, 2015, 11:33:29 PM
On this date in 1731, where the Lampasas River meets the Leon River to form the Little River in central Texas, absolutely nothing of importance occurred.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on October 27, 2015, 12:29:34 AM
LOL  ;D

You don't know for sure! The inception of a chain of events leading to something could have begun then, at that moment. For example, maybe a sick fish swam right instead of left, only to be caught in a fisherman's net, to be taken to the market and sold to an unsuspecting fellow who had a bad case of food poisoning after ingesting its meat only to stay at home instead of go to work and maybe that was the last straw and the poor man lost his job as a consequence him staying home could have set into motion a series of other events that led or will lead to something cool and significant.  :badger:



Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on October 27, 2015, 09:51:11 AM
I thought that was the time El Gringo Loco was captured by the Wahoote Indians and tortured to death by Marmite.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 29, 2015, 08:26:23 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 27, 2015, 12:29:34 AM
LOL  ;D

You don't know for sure! The inception of a chain of events leading to something could have begun then, at that moment. For example, maybe a sick fish swam right instead of left, only to be caught in a fisherman's net, to be taken to the market and sold to an unsuspecting fellow who had a bad case of food poisoning after ingesting its meat only to stay at home instead of go to work and maybe that was the last straw and the poor man lost his job as a consequence him staying home could have set into motion a series of other events that led or will lead to something cool and significant.  :badger:

I considered all those possibilities, but no, nothing happened.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 29, 2015, 08:27:34 PM
Quote from: OldGit on October 27, 2015, 09:51:11 AM
I thought that was the time El Gringo Loco was captured by the Wahoote Indians and tortured to death by Marmite.

That was in 1732.  It's a common mistake, however.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on October 31, 2015, 05:21:03 AM
xSP has been reading too much about chaos theory. Me too.

If you happen to into that sort of thing I recommend a book titled; Chaos. Sub title; Making a New Science. By James Gleick  The book has the obligatory butterfly effect chapter and it has a lot more information about complexities as in Mandelbrot sets, and wondrous fractals and the peculiarities and randomness of the Great Red Spot of Jupiter. All of which is near confirmation that the Intelligent Designer was tripping pretty heavily when he/she/it created everything.
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on October 31, 2015, 01:44:35 PM
I read some reviews Icarus, looks like an interesting book for a mathematical  layperson such as myself. I'll definitely pick up a copy when I find one. :)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Insoluble on October 31, 2015, 02:35:59 PM
Lou was two years dead last Tuesday.
Two years and four days gone today.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on November 04, 2015, 01:38:57 AM
1839: on this day the first Opium war between China and Britian broke out.

1911: The Chevrolet Motor Car Co. was founded in Detroit by Louis Chevrolet and William C. Durant. The company was acquired by General Motors in 1918. 
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on November 04, 2015, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Icarus1839: on this day the first Opium war between China and Britian broke out.

Not the most admirable episode of our history. ::)
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: No one on November 06, 2015, 06:37:29 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 31, 2015, 01:44:35 PM
I read some reviews Icarus, looks like an interesting book for a mathematical  layperson such as myself. I'll definitely pick up a copy when I find one. :)

After seeing your signature, I just could not resist.

HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools

The Devil's Dictionary by Ambose Bierce

(I was not aware there was another that knew of its existence.)
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 06, 2015, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: No one on November 06, 2015, 06:37:29 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 31, 2015, 01:44:35 PM
I read some reviews Icarus, looks like an interesting book for a mathematical  layperson such as myself. I'll definitely pick up a copy when I find one. :)

After seeing your signature, I just could not resist.

HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools

The Devil's Dictionary by Ambose Bierce

(I was not aware there was another that knew of its existence.)

8) The title caught my attention a few years ago when I was looking for free books, though I hadn't read anything else by Ambrose Bierce.   
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on November 06, 2015, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: No one on November 06, 2015, 06:37:29 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 31, 2015, 01:44:35 PM
I read some reviews Icarus, looks like an interesting book for a mathematical  layperson such as myself. I'll definitely pick up a copy when I find one. :)

After seeing your signature, I just could not resist.

HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools

The Devil's Dictionary by Ambose Bierce

(I was not aware there was another that knew of its existence.)

Ambrose Bierce has a devoted following and I number myself among them, having chanced upon The Devil's Dictionary at the tender age of 13.

Bierce's thoughts on atheism were in line with those of most present day atheists (which differ from the majority of dictionary definitions of the word):

QuoteThe atheist, as such, has no belief. To say he believes there is no God is inaccurate; he merely does not believe there is a God. Atheism is a non-belief, a word without a corresponding thing; to object to its recognition and pre-eminence is the same thing as to be jealous of a vacuum.

There is an excellent essay on Bierce and Robert Ingersoll, who might now be called a "New Atheist" though he lived long before the term was coined: "The Blasphemer Robert G. Ingersoll: Why He Mattered to Ambrose Bierce" | The Ambrose Bierce Site (http://donswaim.com/bierce-ingersoll.html)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on November 09, 2015, 11:30:52 PM
On this day 1989, the gates of the Berlin wall were opened amid cheers of happiness of the oppressed eastern Berliners.
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 16, 2015, 11:42:11 PM
483 years ago today (Nov 16th) the Spanish conquistador Pizarro led a surprise attack against the Incas.   

From Wikipedia: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cajamarca)

QuoteThe Battle of Cajamarca was the ambush and capture of the Inca ruler Atahualpa by Francisco Pizarro and a small Spanish force on November 16, 1532. The Spanish killed thousands of Atahualpa's counsellors, commanders and unarmed attendants in the great plaza of Cajamarca, and caused his armed host outside the town to flee. The seizure of Atahualpa marked the opening stage of the conquest of the pre-Columbian Inca civilization of Peru.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Guardian85 on November 17, 2015, 03:02:27 AM
On this day in 1869, with the opening of the Suez Canal it was for the first time possible for a vessel in the Mediterranean Sea to cross into the Indian Ocean without sailing around Africa.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tank on November 17, 2015, 06:39:37 AM
Quote from: Icarus on November 09, 2015, 11:30:52 PM
On this day 1989, the gates of the Berlin wall were opened amid cheers of happiness of the oppressed eastern Berliners.
And one of those East Germans went on to run the united Germany.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on November 18, 2015, 07:36:12 AM
^ and one of those east Germans went on to win the worlds championship in singles ice skating. That was the beautiful Katerina Witt.
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 24, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
On November 24th, 1859, Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on November 30, 2015, 05:06:29 AM
1947 The UN General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the partitioning of Palestine between Arabs and Jews.

1961  Enos the chimp was launched from Cape Canaveral aboard the Mercury-Atlas 5 spaceship. The ship orbited earth twice before returning.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: jumbojak on December 08, 2015, 03:44:09 AM


The return of the British contingent of the International Brigades on December 7, 1938. It wasn't just Pearl Harbor.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Lark on December 13, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
How do schools manage to teach history which keeps getting bigger and bigger ?  Where should they begin and what should they leave out ?  It is very difficult as all history had an effect on the future but there is too much of it !    Should children just be told about last few hundred years but cover the world more thoroughly now ' the world has shrunk'  or do the same  for their own country ?
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tank on December 14, 2015, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: Lark on December 13, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
How do schools manage to teach history which keeps getting bigger and bigger ?  Where should they begin and what should they leave out ?  It is very difficult as all history had an effect on the future but there is too much of it !    Should children just be told about last few hundred years but cover the world more thoroughly now ' the world has shrunk'  or do the same  for their own country ?
Interesting question. Maybe it will be down to 'time's filter' of what is important. Humans can only cope with so much information. I'm sure during the 1930s WWI was very widely discussed, but now not so much. As time passes we get a perspective on what matters so the relevant history is perceived as that which has shaped us in the past.
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on March 14, 2016, 08:35:08 PM
Today Albert Einstein would have turned 137 years old! :party:
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on March 15, 2016, 03:38:11 AM
^ The old boy left us some good stuff to work with.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tom62 on April 01, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
April 1, 2001: Laws that permit marriage for same-sex couples and grant same-sex couples adoption rights in the Netherlands come into effect. Four same-sex couples are married at the stroke of midnight by the Mayor of Amsterdam.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Biggus Dickus on April 02, 2016, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 01, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
April 1, 2001: Laws that permit marriage for same-sex couples and grant same-sex couples adoption rights in the Netherlands come into effect. Four same-sex couples are married at the stroke of midnight by the Mayor of Amsterdam.

How awesome, and look at that it was 15 years ago, something to be extremely proud of...meanwhile here in America they're still trying to pass "Religious Freedom Laws" which will allow them (https://www.facebook.com/pages/fuck-the-religious-bastards/227029297318817) to discriminate legally.

I should move to the Netherlands, sounds nice....except for all of the extremely tall men. That would be strange. ;)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on June 09, 2016, 05:32:22 AM
June sixth was the anniversary of the D- day invasion, the largest concentration of armed attack forces in history. That was a pivotal event in WWII.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Magdalena on June 09, 2016, 07:00:06 AM
In my insignificant life, there was another pivotal event on 6-6-16.
Tank announced that Crow had retired from the forum.

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tank on June 09, 2016, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on June 09, 2016, 07:00:06 AM
In my insignificant life, there was another pivotal event on 6-6-16.
Tank announced that Crow had retired from the forum.
Is is email address public?
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Magdalena on June 09, 2016, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: Tank on June 09, 2016, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on June 09, 2016, 07:00:06 AM
In my insignificant life, there was another pivotal event on 6-6-16.
Tank announced that Crow had retired from the forum.
Is is email address public?
Oh, yes. We have about seven pages of emails going back and forth, so far.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on June 19, 2016, 02:37:00 PM
Today, June 19, is "Juneteenth" in Texas.  On June 19, 1865, news of President Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, freeing all slaves, finally reached Texas, as it was announced in Galveston. Of course, the Civil War was still going on, so not much happened when the Proclamation was made.  But blacks celebrate this day every year in Texas and other places in the South. 
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on June 23, 2016, 11:43:31 PM
Today is Alan Turing's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing) 104th birthday.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on July 14, 2016, 10:20:32 PM
In 1789 in an event symbolizing the start of the French Revolution, citizens of Paris stormed the Bastille. and released the seven prisoners inside.

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: MariaEvri on July 15, 2016, 08:37:37 PM
today in history
a military coup d'état by the Cypriot National Guard and the Greek military junta of 1967–1974

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Cypriot_coup_d%27état
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: MariaEvri on July 15, 2016, 08:37:37 PM
today in history
a military coup d'état by the Cypriot National Guard and the Greek military junta of 1967–1974

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Cypriot_coup_d%27état
I was out there for the squabble before that. Think most of the National Guard casualties for that one were self-inflicted.

That was Greeks v Turks. The UN stopped a Greek plan to flood the old, walled city (Turkish quarter) with petrol then mortar it.

Nice people.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on July 15, 2016, 08:52:42 PM
Problem was, that coup landed Greek Cypriots in very deep shit which is still there today.

No, I'm not taking sides.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: MariaEvri on July 17, 2016, 08:14:47 PM
I try not to take sites either since, I wasn't alive then and today each party is telling their own version. But from what I understand this coop opened the way for the turkish invasion
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on July 17, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
On this day in 1971 Mrs Git and I got married.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 18, 2016, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: OldGit on July 17, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
On this day in 1971 Mrs Git and I got married.

Happy anniversary!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on July 18, 2016, 12:21:01 AM
Quote from: OldGit on July 17, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
On this day in 1971 Mrs Git and I got married.

Happy anniversary!  :beer:
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 18, 2016, 12:42:44 AM
Congrats!  How did she do it for so many years?
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: MariaEvri on July 18, 2016, 05:53:37 AM
Quote from: OldGit on July 17, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
On this day in 1971 Mrs Git and I got married.

anniversary cake!
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on July 18, 2016, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: BruceCongrats!  How did she do it for so many years?

I've often wondered that myself.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on July 20, 2016, 12:29:02 AM
First excursion of Homo sapiens to another planetary body succeeded on this day in 1969, forty mumblemumble years ago.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 20, 2016, 01:53:54 AM
Quote from: Recusant on July 20, 2016, 12:29:02 AM
First excursion of Homo sapiens to another planetary body succeeded on this day in 1969, forty mumblemumble years ago.

One small step for man ....
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: MariaEvri on July 20, 2016, 02:42:12 PM
today in history 1974, the Turks invaded in Cyprus, illegally occupying today 1/3rd of the island
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tom62 on July 20, 2016, 08:20:40 PM
10 years ago on this day, I  "escaped" from WWGHA and joined HAF.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on July 20, 2016, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on July 20, 2016, 08:20:40 PM
10 years ago on this day, I  "escaped" from WWGHA and joined HAF.

:party:
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on August 07, 2016, 01:38:52 AM
 The year 1945, the B29 bomber named Enola Gay, A bomb named Little Boy, Hiroshima. The world can never be the same.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 07, 2016, 01:10:30 PM
Today is Brazilian Independence Day, when Portuguese prince Dom Pedro I proclaimed Brazil's emancipation ("Independence or Death!"), after Portugal demanded his return so that they could recolonise Brazil, along with a little persuasion by his wife and the patriarch of Brazil, José Bonifácio, 193 years ago.   

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nominuto.com%2F_assets%2Fmodules%2Fnoticias%2Fnoticia_130070.jpg&hash=5ecd26625fdde62c24d0d61c0fe0aa85485550c9)
O Grito da Ipiranga - Pedro Américo

It's a nice picture but not an accurate depiction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_or_Death_(painting)) - they weren't riding horses, but mules; the Independence Dragoons (wearing white) didn't exist yet; D. Pedro I was not in military uniform and he was suffering from a pretty bad tummy ache, possibly having stopped at the brook known as Ipiranga to pass some royal bowels. 

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Magdalena on September 12, 2016, 06:16:06 AM
September 11, 2001
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fmsp.com%2Fimages%2FPORTFOLIO%2Fport_11_Tribute.jpg&hash=196174a2b31ebfa178abfa0ac4174a93b8e9a874)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on September 28, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
The best wild ass guess about the exact date is Sept. 28, 1066. William the Conqueror invaded England to claim the
English throne. After 950 years if we miss the date by a day or two we can surely be forgiven.

In 1928 Scottish medical researcher Alexander Fleming discovered Penicillin, the first effective antibiotic.  Thumbs up for Mr. Fleming.

For whatever its worth, this week is Banned Books Week.   The American Library Association resisted efforts to ban certain books in 1982. Since that time some 11,000 books have been subject to attempted bans by various factions including state legislators. The library people are winning with the help of the supreme court, the ACLU and other interested parties who do not have their heads up their asses.. It is not like the libraries are inclined to favor books with racy content. Their position is about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Thus we have the ALA contrivance: Banned Books Week.  Good on "Marion the Librarian", (from the Broadway play Music Man in case you are not old enough to have enjoyed that old musical)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on November 22, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
Fifty-three years ago, President John Kennedy was shot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. There are those who still believe that Oswald was set up by a conspiracy of some sort or other. I imagine that line of thinking will always be with us.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 22, 2016, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Recusant on November 22, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
Fifty-three years ago, President John Kennedy was shot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. There are those who still believe that Oswald was set up by a conspiracy of some sort or other. I imagine that line of thinking will always be with us.

History is susceptible to conspiracy theories because of the nature of historical evidence itself - you can never repeat the actual event like you can in scientific evidence, so there is never any way to conclusively prove something.  Someone will always find a loop hole, and the more significant the event, the more people are motivated to look for other explanations. 
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on December 07, 2016, 07:22:09 PM
Seventy-five years ago, Imperial Japan sealed its own doom by launching an airborne attack on the US naval base at Pearl Harbor, Oahu. There were 2471 Americans killed, 1213 injured, while 64 Japanese aviators were killed.

There's a conspiracy theory about this historical event as well: That President Roosevelt knew the attack was coming but kept Pearl Harbor in the dark about it, insuring that the US would enter WWII. There is no solid historical evidence to support the theory.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on December 10, 2016, 03:22:34 AM
Conspiracy theorists are apparently both smarter and somehow privy to more reliable information than we ordinary slobs..
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 25, 2016, 08:43:07 PM
(https://scontent.fpoa4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15400955_1319570338117448_2591091805742743247_n.png?oh=637cdf42710644066a11932a64c9b9f4&oe=58DA5FD1)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Biggus Dickus on January 25, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
On this glorious day back in 1933 the first canned beer was sold.  8)


THIS DAY IN HISTORY: THE FIRST CANNED BEER WAS SOLD
(http://vinepair.com/booze-news/invention-beer-can/?utm_source=The+Drop+by+VinePair&utm_campaign=102cb3df47-Jan_25_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b653fb8c99-102cb3df47-45514941&mc_cid=102cb3df47&mc_eid=03ee7d0395)

If I wasn't three years sober I would pop a can of suds in honour of such an important and historical day, since I can't I'll let the party animals here at HAF have at it!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on January 25, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Well done on the three years, Father Bruno!

As somebody who's picked up and packed out at least hundreds of beer cans from various out of the way places, I guess they have something to be said for them--they don't weigh as much as glass, and they don't easily break into piles of razor sharp fragments.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 25, 2017, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on January 25, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
If I wasn't three years sober...

That's quite an accomplishment! :smilenod: :party:

Do you think the inventor of canned beer thought that his invention would become as widespread as it is? Not only canned beers, but canned sodas as well. :notsure:
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Biggus Dickus on January 30, 2017, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: Recusant on January 25, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Well done on the three years, Father Bruno!

As somebody who's picked up and packed out at least hundreds of beer cans from various out of the way places, I guess they have something to be said for them--they don't weigh as much as glass, and they don't easily break into piles of razor sharp fragments.

Thank you Recusant I wasn't fishing for compliments when I posted this, but I do appreciate the sentiment.


Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 25, 2017, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on January 25, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
If I wasn't three years sober...

That's quite an accomplishment! :smilenod: :party:

Do you think the inventor of canned beer thought that his invention would become as widespread as it is? Not only canned beers, but canned sodas as well. :notsure:

Thank you as well xSP...I bet the inventor would be amazed at the amount of canned goods produced each year, according to this website (http://www.theworldcounts.com/counters/world_food_consumption_statistics/aluminium_cans_facts) it is 200 million a year, and counting.

QuoteThe world's beer and soda consumption uses about 200 billion aluminium cans every year. This is 6,700 cans every second - enough to go around the planet every 17 hours.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on February 18, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
One day late but I thought I'd add this here nonetheless.

(https://scontent.fpoa4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16807188_1817225641864159_5667688883356140309_n.jpg?oh=a02c4e2b2135a2a8af5316cb71a1abbe&oe=59404625)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on March 14, 2017, 05:46:36 AM
March 11th is a celebration of Lithuanian independence from the Russians. They achieved their independence in 1990 when 400 hundred protesters were injured and 14 people were run over and killed by Russian tanks.  The Lithuanians do cherish this independence day, even as we yanks celebrate and cherish our fourth of July.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on July 19, 2017, 02:31:17 AM
On this day in the year1536, the English parliament passed an act declaring the authority of the pope void in England.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on August 07, 2017, 01:09:51 AM
August 6 1945 had an episode that changed the world forever.  On that day Colonel Paul Tibetts piloted a B29 bomber named Enola Gay. That mission dropped the first atomic bomb that all but eliminated the Japanese city of Hiroshima. Some 48,00 structures were destroyed with that single bomb.another 22,000 were heavily damaged.  Three days later another A bomb was dropped on Nagasaki....similar results.

These are days in history that the more civilized among us would like to forget.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: No one on August 07, 2017, 03:08:23 AM
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trackie.com%2Ftrack-and-field%2Fimg%2Flayout%2Ficon_quote.jpg&hash=c5a9d5ac5c9c0366d813e18a50510fe9aa16bfc2)Icarus:
These are days in history that the more civilized among us would like to forget.

Wouldn't we then be doomed to repeat it? (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.stardock.net%2Fimages%2Fsmiles%2Fthemes%2Fdigicons%2FGagged.png&hash=9b545d9c6babbe58bf3eb16c42e338f7edf55876)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Arturo on August 07, 2017, 06:01:18 AM
Quote from: No one on August 07, 2017, 03:08:23 AM
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trackie.com%2Ftrack-and-field%2Fimg%2Flayout%2Ficon_quote.jpg&hash=c5a9d5ac5c9c0366d813e18a50510fe9aa16bfc2)Icarus:
These are days in history that the more civilized among us would like to forget.

Wouldn't we then be doomed to repeat it? (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.stardock.net%2Fimages%2Fsmiles%2Fthemes%2Fdigicons%2FGagged.png&hash=9b545d9c6babbe58bf3eb16c42e338f7edf55876)

Hahaha haven't you seen how people clearly learned from Nixon? All those people worried since then about conspiracy theories and then in the last election finally got the most unbiased, level headed, and incorruptible person ever!!
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on August 08, 2017, 12:45:58 AM
The A bomb at Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed hundreds of thousands of people. The Japanese military minions were our mortal enemies. The innocents in those two cities were not actively trying to kill us. Burning their flesh to cinders was not something I wish to remember or even contemplate. Yes, I would like to forget those episodes but I/we cannot.  History does not accommodate  mulligans.

I can count on, almost all my fingers, the nations who have nuclear capability. If I said that the A bomb changed the course of world history....then that is how it changed the course of civilization as we once knew it.

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on August 08, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
Here is a paste up of something that Bruno wrote in a nearby thread....................

Let's face it human kind is garbage...don't know if we've always's have been this way, maybe back in the beginning we were decent to each other, possibly too busy trying to stay alive to fuck with each other too much, but I don't have much faith in our chances of surviving very long as a species.

We've learned nothing from the past, and are doomed sooner or later to repeat it. The massive loss of life during the last world war, not to mention the global genocide that took place after for years and years has done nothing to raise our collective consciousness at all.

I can still remember my Father, who was a veteran of WWII telling me this very thing, that hundreds of millions who died during WWII will mean nothing to later generations, especially now that we have the bomb (Advanced Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare)

Prominent scientist like Fenner and Hawkings give us less than 100 more years before we go extinct, whether from climate damage, or nuclear war. Hawking's when asked which human shortcoming would you most like to alter responded, "The human failing I would most like to correct is aggression. It may have had survival advantage in caveman days, to get more food, territory or partner with whom to reproduce, but now it threatens to destroy us all,"

Of course a major nuclear war will likely end civilization, which is what I predict and it will probably wipe out the human race.

Hawking when asked which human quality he would most like to magnify he chose empathy, because "it brings us together in a peaceful, loving state."

I don't see us doing that, so we are doomed I think, it's sad, but there's really nothing any of us can do about it, not when the governments and politicians control the nuclear weapons, and we keep making and developing more. Can we trust people like Trump, Kim Jung-Un or some crazy religious group not to start a nuclear war (Crazy religious group could be ISIS or some similar band of Islamic terrorist or simply the Republican Party)?

I personally give us about one percent chance to survive, one fucking percent...might be the best thing anyway, I mean if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe that is thriving and living peacefully do we really want to chance letting ourselves loose on the rest of the universe?

We kill, we destroy, we devastate with hardly a conscience at all, it's easy really. If it wasn't we wouldn't have wars so often, we wouldn't waste lives with such impunity, without any fear of consequences whatsoever.

You point a gun and shoot, you throw a grenade and watch it tear peoples limbs and bodies apart and so you rationalize better them than me, they deserve it, they are the enemy and deserve death. You have to rationalize it this way you know, there is no other way to be utterly brutal, to be a down and nasty killing machine...once you do this than there are no consequences at all, whether you are on the battlefield or not, whether you are the politician issuing the orders or the soldier pulling the trigger, or the silo commander releasing the bombs.

As long as we hold that to be true, that some of us deserve death, that killing can be rewarding there is nothing at all to hope for us as a species.


We've embrace this culture of death, we actually enshrine it, and award it as a virtue...when it's actually the least noblest of anything we've ever done, because we're killers, the real Shiva incarnate; except it's not one individual man who has become the destroyer like Oppenheimer said, it's all of us.

Peace-
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Magdalena on August 08, 2017, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: Icarus on August 08, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
Here is a paste up of something that Bruno wrote in a nearby thread....................

Let's face it human kind is garbage...don't know if we've always's have been this way, maybe back in the beginning we were decent to each other, possibly too busy trying to stay alive to fuck with each other too much, but I don't have much faith in our chances of surviving very long as a species.

We've learned nothing from the past, and are doomed sooner or later to repeat it. The massive loss of life during the last world war, not to mention the global genocide that took place after for years and years has done nothing to raise our collective consciousness at all.

I can still remember my Father, who was a veteran of WWII telling me this very thing, that hundreds of millions who died during WWII will mean nothing to later generations, especially now that we have the bomb (Advanced Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare)

Prominent scientist like Fenner and Hawkings give us less than 100 more years before we go extinct, whether from climate damage, or nuclear war. Hawking's when asked which human shortcoming would you most like to alter responded, "The human failing I would most like to correct is aggression. It may have had survival advantage in caveman days, to get more food, territory or partner with whom to reproduce, but now it threatens to destroy us all,"

Of course a major nuclear war will likely end civilization, which is what I predict and it will probably wipe out the human race.

Hawking when asked which human quality he would most like to magnify he chose empathy, because "it brings us together in a peaceful, loving state."

I don't see us doing that, so we are doomed I think, it's sad, but there's really nothing any of us can do about it, not when the governments and politicians control the nuclear weapons, and we keep making and developing more. Can we trust people like Trump, Kim Jung-Un or some crazy religious group not to start a nuclear war (Crazy religious group could be ISIS or some similar band of Islamic terrorist or simply the Republican Party)?

I personally give us about one percent chance to survive, one fucking percent...might be the best thing anyway, I mean if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe that is thriving and living peacefully do we really want to chance letting ourselves loose on the rest of the universe?

We kill, we destroy, we devastate with hardly a conscience at all, it's easy really. If it wasn't we wouldn't have wars so often, we wouldn't waste lives with such impunity, without any fear of consequences whatsoever.

You point a gun and shoot, you throw a grenade and watch it tear peoples limbs and bodies apart and so you rationalize better them than me, they deserve it, they are the enemy and deserve death. You have to rationalize it this way you know, there is no other way to be utterly brutal, to be a down and nasty killing machine...once you do this than there are no consequences at all, whether you are on the battlefield or not, whether you are the politician issuing the orders or the soldier pulling the trigger, or the silo commander releasing the bombs.

As long as we hold that to be true, that some of us deserve death, that killing can be rewarding there is nothing at all to hope for us as a species.


We've embrace this culture of death, we actually enshrine it, and award it as a virtue...when it's actually the least noblest of anything we've ever done, because we're killers, the real Shiva incarnate; except it's not one individual man who has become the destroyer like Oppenheimer said, it's all of us.

Peace-

Bruno wrote this?
This Bruno?
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=9kraevtaa4kpqd4u6hgb2dcht1&action=dlattach;attach=239;type=avatar)
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: Arturo on August 08, 2017, 02:35:10 AM
EXPLOSIONS

Wow!
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Biggus Dickus on August 09, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on August 08, 2017, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: Icarus on August 08, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
Here is a paste up of something that Bruno wrote in a nearby thread....................

Let's face it human kind is garbage...don't know if we've always's have been this way, maybe back in the beginning we were decent to each other, possibly too busy trying to stay alive to fuck with each other too much, but I don't have much faith in our chances of surviving very long as a species.

We've learned nothing from the past, and are doomed sooner or later to repeat it. The massive loss of life during the last world war, not to mention the global genocide that took place after for years and years has done nothing to raise our collective consciousness at all.

I can still remember my Father, who was a veteran of WWII telling me this very thing, that hundreds of millions who died during WWII will mean nothing to later generations, especially now that we have the bomb (Advanced Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare)

Prominent scientist like Fenner and Hawkings give us less than 100 more years before we go extinct, whether from climate damage, or nuclear war. Hawking's when asked which human shortcoming would you most like to alter responded, "The human failing I would most like to correct is aggression. It may have had survival advantage in caveman days, to get more food, territory or partner with whom to reproduce, but now it threatens to destroy us all,"

Of course a major nuclear war will likely end civilization, which is what I predict and it will probably wipe out the human race.

Hawking when asked which human quality he would most like to magnify he chose empathy, because "it brings us together in a peaceful, loving state."

I don't see us doing that, so we are doomed I think, it's sad, but there's really nothing any of us can do about it, not when the governments and politicians control the nuclear weapons, and we keep making and developing more. Can we trust people like Trump, Kim Jung-Un or some crazy religious group not to start a nuclear war (Crazy religious group could be ISIS or some similar band of Islamic terrorist or simply the Republican Party)?

I personally give us about one percent chance to survive, one fucking percent...might be the best thing anyway, I mean if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe that is thriving and living peacefully do we really want to chance letting ourselves loose on the rest of the universe?

We kill, we destroy, we devastate with hardly a conscience at all, it's easy really. If it wasn't we wouldn't have wars so often, we wouldn't waste lives with such impunity, without any fear of consequences whatsoever.

You point a gun and shoot, you throw a grenade and watch it tear peoples limbs and bodies apart and so you rationalize better them than me, they deserve it, they are the enemy and deserve death. You have to rationalize it this way you know, there is no other way to be utterly brutal, to be a down and nasty killing machine...once you do this than there are no consequences at all, whether you are on the battlefield or not, whether you are the politician issuing the orders or the soldier pulling the trigger, or the silo commander releasing the bombs.

As long as we hold that to be true, that some of us deserve death, that killing can be rewarding there is nothing at all to hope for us as a species.


We've embrace this culture of death, we actually enshrine it, and award it as a virtue...when it's actually the least noblest of anything we've ever done, because we're killers, the real Shiva incarnate; except it's not one individual man who has become the destroyer like Oppenheimer said, it's all of us.

Peace-

Bruno wrote this?
This Bruno?
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=9kraevtaa4kpqd4u6hgb2dcht1&action=dlattach;attach=239;type=avatar)

Yeah I wrote that...it was in a thread of JJ's from this same section of the forum. After I wrote and posted that I remember almost going back and deleting it, as it definitely derailed the thread...at the time I was feeling somewhat depressed and something I read in JJ's thread spurred me to let loose with the above.

I still feel the same and hold onto the same opinion that we humans are shite, and don't feel very optimistic at all that we'll survive ourselves.

This picture is probably familiar to most people, but if not it is all that remains of a person who was once sitting calmly on the steps of a bank in the city of Hiroshima on August 6th 1945.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRHfouYY.jpg&hash=bebf78267f8e3fcb996a9cdb4a4c05477b35ac63)

You can see from the outline that whomever it was they were holding a cane, so most likely an elderly person. One moment they were sitting calmly on the steps of the bank which was located about 800 feet from the epicenter when the bomb went off leaving this shadow imprinted into the stone.

It's not really their shadow, but actually a carbon imprint of their body seared into the concrete, organic residue and carbonized flesh is now part of the sidewalk.

After time and in an effort to save the image the steps were relocated to the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum (http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/top_e.html), where they're now preserved.

This will be humanities shared fate I believe. Nothing will remain of our global civilization but the collective, seared, shadowy remains like a giant mural upon the face of the earth, one large ghastly display of our combined wretchedness.


Don't believe me? Think I'm being overly pessimistic, or too dramatical?


It say's it all right here in "1 Caucasian (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/08/08/god-has-given-trump-authority-to-take-out-kim-jong-un-evangelical-adviser-says/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.be6c4b0021ae)
(I wrote Caucasian and not Corinthians on purpose, this is not a typo...)

According to Texas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress, "God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un". When it comes to how we should deal with evildoers, the Bible, in the book of Romans, is very clear: God has endowed rulers full power to use whatever means necessary — including war — to stop evil," Jeffress said.

That's it right there,... it won't be Islamic terrorists that destroy us, it will Christians like this evangelical who will twist and manipulate Trump to do something idiotic.
Yes it will be Christians who destroy the earth and all humanity with it...bible hugging, Kim Davis types who destroy us all with their stupid belief.

Let us face it, Trump is not now nor has he never been a Christian, in fact if he was just a common man and not the President most of the evangelicals like Pastor Jeffress would condemn Trump to hell for his life of evil ways.

But Trump is the type of person, a man who cares nothing at all about anyone but himself who will allow himself to be led into believing he is in fact god anointed by those like this Pastor Jeffress. Men and women who pretend to believe in a god and the truth, but who really only care that their so called righteous and twisted moral deviance be taken seriously.

So here we stand today, with Trump and Kim Jong Un trading barbs back and forth, each of these god-like little men posturing to get an edge...today with words, tomorrow with guns, and the next day with...god help us?

I sadly feel we will be at war soon, but not only with N. Korea. China will become involved, as will Russia...most likely the entire Korean Peninsula will be ravaged, our only hope is that those closest to these two leaders will be able to do something to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.


I would like to visit the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, maybe one day I can do so with my grandchildren,.. maybe.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Magdalena on August 09, 2017, 07:19:15 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on August 09, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
This picture is probably familiar to most people, but if not it is all that remains of a person who was once sitting calmly on the steps of a bank in the city of Hiroshima on August 6th 1945.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRHfouYY.jpg&hash=bebf78267f8e3fcb996a9cdb4a4c05477b35ac63)

You can see from the outline that whomever it was they were holding a cane, so most likely an elderly person. One moment they were sitting calmly on the steps of the bank which was located about 800 feet from the epicenter when the bomb went off leaving this shadow imprinted into the stone.

It's not really their shadow, but actually a carbon imprint of their body seared into the concrete, organic residue and carbonized flesh is now part of the sidewalk.
...
Wow, this is sad, it made me want to cry.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Arturo on August 09, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on August 09, 2017, 07:19:15 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on August 09, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
This picture is probably familiar to most people, but if not it is all that remains of a person who was once sitting calmly on the steps of a bank in the city of Hiroshima on August 6th 1945.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRHfouYY.jpg&hash=bebf78267f8e3fcb996a9cdb4a4c05477b35ac63)

You can see from the outline that whomever it was they were holding a cane, so most likely an elderly person. One moment they were sitting calmly on the steps of the bank which was located about 800 feet from the epicenter when the bomb went off leaving this shadow imprinted into the stone.

It's not really their shadow, but actually a carbon imprint of their body seared into the concrete, organic residue and carbonized flesh is now part of the sidewalk.
...
Wow, this is sad, it made me want to cry.

Well you know he was probably killed instantly and probably had no idea what was going on at the time. So at least he didn't die suffering.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Biggus Dickus on August 09, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: Arturo on August 09, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on August 09, 2017, 07:19:15 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on August 09, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
This picture is probably familiar to most people, but if not it is all that remains of a person who was once sitting calmly on the steps of a bank in the city of Hiroshima on August 6th 1945.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRHfouYY.jpg&hash=bebf78267f8e3fcb996a9cdb4a4c05477b35ac63)

You can see from the outline that whomever it was they were holding a cane, so most likely an elderly person. One moment they were sitting calmly on the steps of the bank which was located about 800 feet from the epicenter when the bomb went off leaving this shadow imprinted into the stone.

It's not really their shadow, but actually a carbon imprint of their body seared into the concrete, organic residue and carbonized flesh is now part of the sidewalk.
...
Wow, this is sad, it made me want to cry.

Well you know he was probably killed instantly and probably had no idea what was going on at the time. So at least he didn't die suffering.

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F2ANFqtG.gif&hash=8ac6a7a124946daea5f61a4c19f3b8f00bf0db75)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on October 14, 2017, 02:30:36 AM
Here is a couple more historical bits that you do not really need to know. Fun just the same.......

October has some significant customs and anniversaries. Not just Halloween.  October 19 is this years celebration of Diwali. That is the darkest night of the year supposedly. It is an important Hindu celebration day. It is called Festival of lights and observed by people in Fuji, Guyana, India, Maylasia, Myanmar, Nepal, Singapore, and a few other places.  There are only a few Hindu HAF members so .....fugettaboutit.  It is an interesting custom that you can learn about on Wikipedia. It is n important event to the people who ascribe to the notion.

The biggie is October 31.  That will be the 500th anniversary of the presentation of the 95 theses of Martin Luther.  Significantly, that marks the beginning of the Reformation. Among the more interesting of the theses is  that one no longer needs to buy "indulgences" from clergymen.  Indulgences were a method gimmick reputed to mitigate the punishment for our mortal sins in the afterlife....or a sneaky way for the priests and bishops to accumulate wealth.

The 31st will be an important date for protestants and a not so pleasing historical date for Sister Agatha.
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on October 17, 2017, 02:46:26 AM
^ An important date for sure, with far-reaching consequences.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on October 19, 2017, 02:45:14 AM
In October 1954, Texas Instruments unveiled the Regency TR1, the first commercially produced transistor radio. Just think about that for a moment. Contrast that 63 year old achievement with the spectacular communication instruments that we have today.  I- phones with Siri, that you can talk to, Satnav, self driving cars are almost here, intelligent robots, GPS in phones and cars, Hand held calculators that deliver the logarithmic tables, the trigonometric tables, calculate roots, powers, and Euler tables all for ten dollars.  ...the lord be praised, we have the internet and forums like HAF and a lot more wonders. Halla-fuckin-luya.

Damn, I was 24  years old when the first transistor radio was offered.  When I was a kid I built radio receivers from galena crystals and wires wound around tubular oatmeal boxes. (crystal sets) I even built primitive radios with vacuum tubes and dry cell batteries that could be carried on my bicycle. Now I have a portable radio whose brand is Sangean. It is one helluva spectacular piece of work. It can clearly pick up stations a thousand miles away and continue to do so for 70 hours on one set of  ordinary flashlight batteries...or even better Lithium Ion batteries.

Young people can probably not even imagine a time when Fitbits and wrist radios were the stuff of comic strips like Dick Tracy.  Damn.... I have a little thingy (20 dollars from Amazon or E bay) that clamps on my finger and digitally delivers my pulse rate and my blood oxygen content on a cute little screen that also has a moving graphic display that shows my heart rhythmns.( help please, spelling rith-ems?)

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on October 19, 2017, 07:30:20 AM
I was 10 in 1954 but can remember that first radio featuring at the Earl's Court Radio Exhibition (Earl's Court was the prime London venue for new design exhibitions which were incredibly popular).

Soon I was building amplifiers for my crystal set with "Red spot" transistors, there were only three types available, red, white and green spot. At 12 I built a transistor tester from a kit (with a soldering iron that had to be heated in a gas flame!).

Yes, now we have more computing power in sewing mschines than in the first Shuttle! Just differently organised.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: hermes2015 on October 19, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: Icarus on October 19, 2017, 02:45:14 AM
... When I was a kid I built radio receivers from galena crystals and wires wound around tubular oatmeal boxes. (crystal sets) I even built primitive radios with vacuum tubes and dry cell batteries that could be carried on my bicycle.

That brought back some memories. I did exactly the same things when I was 9 years old!
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on November 06, 2017, 12:39:53 AM
Disgruntled citizens are not just recently taking to the extremes.

In 1605 the "Gunpowder Plot" failed as Guy Fawkes was seized before he could blow up the English Parliament. 

I wonder if the Fawkes plot had any connection to the King James committee who was, at that time, busily inventing the new bible now known as he KJV.  There may have been some bad blood between the James contingent and the most recently renounced book used by the catholic adherents. Perhaps OG, Dave, Tank, or Essie may have some more informed comments about that period in English history.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on November 06, 2017, 06:03:43 AM
Quote from: Icarus on November 06, 2017, 12:39:53 AM
Disgruntled citizens are not just recently taking to the extremes.

In 1605 the "Gunpowder Plot" failed as Guy Fawkes was seized before he could blow up the English Parliament. 

I wonder if the Fawkes plot had any connection to the King James committee who was, at that time, busily inventing the new bible now known as he KJV.  There may have been some bad blood between the James contingent and the most recently renounced book used by the catholic adherents. Perhaps OG, Dave, Tank, or Essie may have some more informed comments about that period in English history.

Y'know, never really thought much about it, just wished a more successful attempt could be made in the last few governments! At the blowing up bit, not for the original reason.

It seems that it was simply a Popish Plot, to install the 9 year old Princess Elizabeth, James' daughter, as a Catholic Cwēn (using the Anglo-Saxon spelling just to get another aliteration.)

Another case of religious violence.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on December 08, 2017, 10:23:46 PM
In 1854 Pope Pius IX proclaimed the Catholic dogma of the Immaculate Conception which holds that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was free from original sin from the moment of her conception.

Mary had to be free of original sin so that Jesus could not inherit a sinful gene, I reckon.  Papal logic?
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 08, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: Icarus on December 08, 2017, 10:23:46 PM
In 1854 Pope Pius IX proclaimed the Catholic dogma of the Immaculate Conception which holds that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was free from original sin from the moment of her conception.

Mary had to be free of original sin so that Jesus could not inherit a sinful gene, I reckon.  Papal logic?

How is Jesus a man then? Where the hell does his Y chromosome come from? If Mary somehow cloned herself, Jesus would be a woman. 
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on December 09, 2017, 05:49:51 AM
  All I am doing is repeating some historical pablum.  The dead Pope is not going to defend his position.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 09, 2017, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: Icarus on December 09, 2017, 05:49:51 AM
... The dead Pope is not going to defend his position.

Pity. :sad sigh:
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on December 10, 2017, 01:10:52 AM
^ ;D
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Biggus Dickus on December 15, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
I like listening to British people talk about the Battle of Hastings because you can see the inner conflict between "Oh no, I hate the French" and, "the Normans are an important part of our history"!

The part of me that likes the French is saying,"Yessssss England, the last great conquest of your land was by the French People,... DEAL WITH IT. 8)


This is American Humour ;D


Happy Friday.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2017, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: Papasito Bruno on December 15, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
I like listening to British people talk about the Battle of Hastings because you can see the inner conflict between "Oh no, I hate the French" and, "the Normans are an important part of our history"!

The part of me that likes the French is saying,"Yessssss England, the last great conquest of your land was by the French People,... DEAL WITH IT. 8)


This is American Humour ;D


Happy Friday.

The Norman French (you should distinguish this, they are not French French but ex-bloody-Scandinavians who pinched a bit of Frogland and spoke an appalling gutteral variety of the Froggy language) are, of course, an important part of British history. But only because the bastards beat us!

We got our own back at Agincourt! Even if that was against the French French. They deserved it.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on December 15, 2017, 07:35:39 PM
English is a combination of Norman French and Germanic Anglo Saxon (plus some other stuff), so today being "English" means part Norman French.  Dave's right, they were old Vikings, not Franks, so they don't really count.  But "English" is a mixture of a lot of things, so the Norman French didn't really defeat the "English", they defeated the people who lived in Southern England at the time.     
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tank on December 15, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 15, 2017, 07:35:39 PM
English is a combination of Norman French and Germanic Anglo Saxon (plus some other stuff), so today being "English" means part Norman French.  Dave's right, they were old Vikings, not Franks, so they don't really count.  But "English" is a mixture of a lot of things, so the Norman French didn't really defeat the "English", they defeated the people who lived in Southern England at the time.   
If English were a woman she would have slept with every other language on Earth and enjoyed it!
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2017, 08:31:19 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 15, 2017, 07:35:39 PM
English is a combination of Norman French and Germanic Anglo Saxon (plus some other stuff), so today being "English" means part Norman French.  Dave's right, they were old Vikings, not Franks, so they don't really count.  But "English" is a mixture of a lot of things, so the Norman French didn't really defeat the "English", they defeated the people who lived in Southern England at the time.   

Um, IIRC, the "Normans" were "Norsemen",  Norwegians. The Vikings hailed from Denmark, close cousins, still Germanic like the Anglo-Saxons. Can't remember the proportions but English has more A-S words than NF IIRC. But if you count the letters there are more in French! Monosyllabic and basic words tend to be A-S in origin, leg=limb, hand=hond, bottom=botm, head=head, foot=fūt (ū as in scoot), cow=cū, ship=scip ("c" after "s"= "h"), bishop=biscop, wife=wyf, woman (as a wife, esp. the king's) = cwen (queen) . . .  Multisyllabic words like pleasure, entrance, beauty, dispose, entreat, endorse and longer are, of course, French - they always did like fluttering around with their language.

So we have two words for many things, and more words for some: skin, hide, fur,... Makes for interesting poetry and very thick thesauri! And a language you can mangle in its syntax and grammar and still make sense with.

Sorry, tends to be a favourite subject, but not done much on it for years.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Recusant on December 16, 2017, 04:42:14 AM
Vikings weren't of a specific nationality. There were Vikings from pretty much any Scandinavian country you care to mention. "Norsemen" as a term in that era (ca. 8th to 11th centuries) was more or less equivalent to "Scandinavian" now.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2017, 06:15:56 AM
Quote from: Recusant on December 16, 2017, 04:42:14 AM
Vikings weren't of a specific nationality. There were Vikings from pretty much any Scandinavian country you care to mention. "Norsemen" as a term in that era (ca. 8th to 11th centuries) was more or less equivalent to "Scandinavian" now.

In most of my readings the Anglo-Saxon accounts tend to tag the Danes as "Vikings" and the Norwegians as "Norsemen". But, true, it is not really a national tag. But it was the Danes who gave the Saxons more problems, in terms of settling, the Danelaw, and raiding, than any other national group.

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on December 16, 2017, 06:53:35 AM
I think that it was the clever Danes who first figured out the advantages and profits of the Hanseatic league.  They now make some cool furniture of teak wood that does not grow anywhere near Denmark.. OK they are devious bastards....and they charge a bundle for their damned teak furniture.  ( Confession:my house is full of "Danish modern furniture" because I like the simplicity and utility of it)
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on January 27, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
The 24th of January 1942 was the Dunkirk event. That was the epitome of commitment for the Brit small boat people who did what they believed that they had to do. That was heroic in the finest sense of the word.  Here is a salute to the people who participated in that event.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2018, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: Icarus on January 27, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
The 24th of January 1942 was the Dunkirk event. That was the epitome of commitment for the Brit small boat people who did what they believed that they had to do. That was heroic in the finest sense of the word.  Here is a salute to the people who participated in that event.

Yes, truly heroic to set out to an active war zone in small pleasure boats they were deserving of every honour.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 27, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Icarus on January 27, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
The 24th of January 1942 was the Dunkirk event. That was the epitome of commitment for the Brit small boat people who did what they believed that they had to do. That was heroic in the finest sense of the word.  Here is a salute to the people who participated in that event.

It was a brilliant plan, especially because 1000 small boats are way harder to hit than a couple of massive carriers.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2018, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 27, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Icarus on January 27, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
The 24th of January 1942 was the Dunkirk event. That was the epitome of commitment for the Brit small boat people who did what they believed that they had to do. That was heroic in the finest sense of the word.  Here is a salute to the people who participated in that event.

It was a brilliant plan, especially because 1000 small boats are way harder to hit than a couple of massive carriers.

But one shell from a fighter cannon will sink a small boat. But Adolf gave them a chance.

QuoteAfter Nazi Germany invaded Poland in September 1939, France and the British Empire declared war on Germany and imposed an economic blockade. The British Expeditionary Force (BEF) was sent to help defend France. After the Phoney War of October 1939 to April 1940, Germany invaded Belgium, the Netherlands, and France on 10 May 1940. Three of their panzer corps attacked through the Ardennes and drove northwest to the English Channel. By 21 May, German forces had trapped the BEF, the remains of the Belgian forces, and three French field armies along the northern coast of France. Commander of the BEF, General Viscount Gort, immediately saw evacuation across the Channel as the best course of action, and began planning a withdrawal to Dunkirk, the closest good port.

On 22 May, a halt order was issued by the German High Command, with Adolf Hitler's approval. Preventing the evacuation was left to the Luftwaffe (German Air Force), until this order was rescinded on 26 May. This gave trapped Allied forces time to construct defensive works and pull back large numbers of troops to fight the Battle of Dunkirk. From 28 to 31 May, in the Siege of Lille, the remaining 40,000 men of the once-formidable French First Army fought a delaying action against seven German divisions, including three armoured divisions.

On the first day only 7,669 Allied soldiers were evacuated, but by the end of the eighth day, 338,226 of them had been rescued by a hastily assembled fleet of over 800 boats. Many troops were able to embark from the harbour's protective mole onto 39 British Royal Navy destroyers, 4 Royal Canadian Navy destroyers,[3] and a variety of civilian merchant ships, while others had to wade out from the beaches, waiting for hours in shoulder-deep water. Some were ferried to the larger ships by what came to be known as the little ships of Dunkirk, a flotilla of hundreds of merchant marine boats, fishing boats, pleasure craft, yachts, and lifeboats called into service from Britain. The BEF lost 68,000 soldiers during the French campaign and had to abandon nearly all of its tanks, vehicles, and equipment. In his speech to the House of Commons on 4 June, Churchill reminded the country that "we must be very careful not to assign to this deliverance the attributes of a victory. Wars are not won by evacuations."[9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 27, 2018, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 27, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Icarus on January 27, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
The 24th of January 1942 was the Dunkirk event. That was the epitome of commitment for the Brit small boat people who did what they believed that they had to do. That was heroic in the finest sense of the word.  Here is a salute to the people who participated in that event.

It was a brilliant plan, especially because 1000 small boats are way harder to hit than a couple of massive carriers.

But one shell from a fighter cannon will sink a small boat. But Adolf gave them a chance.

QuoteAfter Nazi Germany invaded Poland in September 1939, France and the British Empire declared war on Germany and imposed an economic blockade. The British Expeditionary Force (BEF) was sent to help defend France. After the Phoney War of October 1939 to April 1940, Germany invaded Belgium, the Netherlands, and France on 10 May 1940. Three of their panzer corps attacked through the Ardennes and drove northwest to the English Channel. By 21 May, German forces had trapped the BEF, the remains of the Belgian forces, and three French field armies along the northern coast of France. Commander of the BEF, General Viscount Gort, immediately saw evacuation across the Channel as the best course of action, and began planning a withdrawal to Dunkirk, the closest good port.

On 22 May, a halt order was issued by the German High Command, with Adolf Hitler's approval. Preventing the evacuation was left to the Luftwaffe (German Air Force), until this order was rescinded on 26 May. This gave trapped Allied forces time to construct defensive works and pull back large numbers of troops to fight the Battle of Dunkirk. From 28 to 31 May, in the Siege of Lille, the remaining 40,000 men of the once-formidable French First Army fought a delaying action against seven German divisions, including three armoured divisions.

On the first day only 7,669 Allied soldiers were evacuated, but by the end of the eighth day, 338,226 of them had been rescued by a hastily assembled fleet of over 800 boats. Many troops were able to embark from the harbour's protective mole onto 39 British Royal Navy destroyers, 4 Royal Canadian Navy destroyers,[3] and a variety of civilian merchant ships, while others had to wade out from the beaches, waiting for hours in shoulder-deep water. Some were ferried to the larger ships by what came to be known as the little ships of Dunkirk, a flotilla of hundreds of merchant marine boats, fishing boats, pleasure craft, yachts, and lifeboats called into service from Britain. The BEF lost 68,000 soldiers during the French campaign and had to abandon nearly all of its tanks, vehicles, and equipment. In his speech to the House of Commons on 4 June, Churchill reminded the country that "we must be very careful not to assign to this deliverance the attributes of a victory. Wars are not won by evacuations."[9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation

That's interesting, but it doesn't make sense. Why on earth would the Nazis temporarily ceasefire when they could have inflicted so much damage then? It's not like they didn't have the opportunity to decimate the British army... 
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
^

Dunno, Hitler had the last word and he was no strategist - we are told that he held out hopes that Anglo-Saxon Britain would eventually come to his side. Perhaps he hoped that our (temporary) defeat in France would weaken our resolve and massacring our troops wholescale on the beaches would make us even more anti? We were an important launchpoint, about the only one, for any attempt to recover the continent, Ireland would not work since it was neutral though, rumours have it, a bit over to Germany's side of the fight - it was a good entry for spies.

Thus Hitler must have been very torn, with Britain out of things due to extreme losses at Dunkirk America would probably have come in sooner.
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 31, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
^

Dunno, Hitler had the last word and he was no strategist - we are told that he held out hopes that Anglo-Saxon Britain would eventually come to his side. Perhaps he hoped that our (temporary) defeat in France would weaken our resolve and massacring our troops wholescale on the beaches would make us even more anti? We were an important launchpoint, about the only one, for any attempt to recover the continent, Ireland would not work since it was neutral though, rumours have it, a bit over to Germany's side of the fight - it was a good entry for spies.

Thus Hitler must have been very torn, with Britain out of things due to extreme losses at Dunkirk America would probably have come in sooner.

Yeah, Hitler was a weirdo. He seems like he was a great talker, very charismatic but that was it. 
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tom62 on February 01, 2018, 04:50:24 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 31, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 31, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
^

Dunno, Hitler had the last word and he was no strategist - we are told that he held out hopes that Anglo-Saxon Britain would eventually come to his side. Perhaps he hoped that our (temporary) defeat in France would weaken our resolve and massacring our troops wholescale on the beaches would make us even more anti? We were an important launchpoint, about the only one, for any attempt to recover the continent, Ireland would not work since it was neutral though, rumours have it, a bit over to Germany's side of the fight - it was a good entry for spies.

Thus Hitler must have been very torn, with Britain out of things due to extreme losses at Dunkirk America would probably have come in sooner.

Yeah, Hitler was a weirdo. He seems like he was a great talker, very charismatic but that was it.

Quote from: https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/04/15/no-hitler-did-not-let-the-british-escape-at-dunkirk/The idea that Hitler ordered a grand stand down of his troops is deflated by one simple fact: the pause order didn't actually originate with Hitler. It was first given by General Gerd von Rundstedt, commander of Army Group A, which was the large force fighting in western France. In turn, the pause was requested by von Rundstedt's tank unit commander, who had lost 50% of his armored forces and needed time to regroup.

The order went, to von Rundstedt, who thought the Luftwaffe could deal with the British while he turned toward Paris and won heroism for himself. He passed it up to Hitler, who rubber stamped it, and the order was given. German generals vociferously blamed Hitler for the British miracle after the war, including von Rundstedt, who placed the whole debacle at Hitler's feet.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2018, 05:37:47 AM
^
Ah, when it comes to the bottom line history is written by the winners or, possibly influenced with an agenda. Even with contemporary documentary evidence one can never be sure of the fscts.

Hitler was seen as Germany personified for propaganda purposes and those generals who sought to defy him as honourable men. But since Hitler was (seen as being) the very peak of the autocratic authority pyramid  he is almost bound to be the target. Even of those defending their own bad decisions, especially at a time when Hitler could not strike back.

I notice that Rothschild (a rather aristocratic German name) gives no original sources for his evidence despite seeking to be seen as an authority. One has to assume that the "-mainstream historians" he mentions used primary sources and wrote objectively - no pereonal opinions or theories.

I don't know, like Rothschild we just read what others say!

[Last paragrphs edited for being too opinionated!]
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on February 07, 2018, 07:41:46 PM
In 1497 The "Bonfire of The Vanities" took place in Florence Italy.   Followers of the Dominican Friar Girolama Savonarola burned a huge pile of items considered to be sinful. The items included books,artwork, fine clothing, and cosmetics. 

Five hundred twenty one years later there are still people who ascribe to that sort of thing.  :wtf:

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: OldGit on February 08, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
The modern novel of that name is quite entertaining.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Bluenose on February 11, 2018, 01:32:38 PM
Not quite on this date, but on 10 Feb 1964 the Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne collided with the Daring class destroyer HMAS Voyager cutting her in two and consigning 81 officers and men plus one civilian to an untimely watery grave.  This became even more tragic when on 3 June 1969 Melbourne collided with USS Frank E Evans in very similar circumstances sending 74 US personnel to the deep.  It is almost sadly prophetic that Voyager's motto was "Quo Fata Vocant" (Where Fate Calls).

Both accidents were eventually ruled to be due to errors on the destroyers when attempting to take up position as the RESDES (rescue destroyer or plane guard).  In both cases the destroyers crossed directly in front of the carrier which was at flying stations at the time and at high speed.

I served on VS-816 squadron embarked in Melbourne between 1979 and 1981, near the end of her service.  Although the ship had been cleared of responsibility for both accidents their existence nevertheless cast somewhat of an uneasy presence over those of us who came later.  Despite that, she was still a happy ship, especially with Commodore Dave Martin as captain (later Rear Admiral and then Governor of New South Wales).  I regard my time in her as one of the greatest highlights of my life.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on February 14, 2018, 10:54:42 PM
The actual dates are uncertain but sometime in August of 1684 there were some men in a London coffee house discussing important things. Edmond Halley, Robert Hooke and Christopher Wren were the conversationalists.  Halley had puzzled over Keppler's third law and the diktat that the square of the time taken for a planet to orbit the sun is related to the cube of the distance from the sun.  Keppler had deduced that this could only be true if the planets are responding to the inverse square law of force.  (recall that C. Wren was the architect working on the construction of Saint Pauls cathedral after the destruction of its predecessor by the great fire in 1666  He was also one of the bright ones)

Hooke claimed that he had guessed at the inverse square law and Wren claimed to have thought of it long before Hooke.   Halley (he of the comet fame) tired of the gamesmanship and knew that the only man who could settle such an argument was Isaac Newton. 

Halley set out from London to Cambridge where Newton held forth.  Halley asked Newton what the curve of trajectory of the planets would be. Newton replied immediately: "An ellipse of course".  He had calculated the path some 20 years before.  Newton was a wierdo who had discovered, invented, and calculated all sorts of things that he had never revealed to any of the parties that would have been keenly interested.  He was particularly jealous about his superior knowledge.  Newton told Halley that he would produce the mathematical proofs and send them to him.  That was a monumental break through for the sciences of the time. Newton produced, for the first time, the clear evidence of his genius and the world was better for it.  The dam had broken. Halley had created the breach.  Newton for so long the jealous guardian of his discoveries was now willing to pour them forth.

The result of the breach of the intellectual dam was Newton's Philosophae Naturalis Principia Mathematica.   Principia was published in 5 July 1687. Three volumes, 550 pages of unsurpassed brilliance, the invention of the calculus, and some of the keys to the universe.

A chance event at a London Coffee house and the ensuing trip to Cambride, by Halley, resulted in some of the most important communication of scientific  knowledge that the world had ever known. 

Edmond Halley should be celebrated for more than his 76 year comet cycle.

Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on February 15, 2018, 03:38:34 AM
Ah, but who really did invent calculus? Newton or Liebnitz - or was it a very rare coincidental, but entirely independent, discovery of such an important concept?
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Tank on February 15, 2018, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 15, 2018, 03:38:34 AM
Ah, but who really did invent calculus? Newton or Liebnitz - or was it a very rare coincidental, but entirely independent, discovery of such an important concept?
Rare is not impossible. Russell and Darwin came up with natural selection because the evidence pointed to it. There are times when ideas are born of a common knowledge or advances. Jet engines would be another example of convergent evolution in ideas.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Bluenose on February 15, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: Tank on February 15, 2018, 11:03:41 AM
Rare is not impossible. Russell and Darwin came up with natural selection because the evidence pointed to it. There are times when ideas are born of a common knowledge or advances. Jet engines would be another example of convergent evolution in ideas.

Don't you mean Darwin and Wallace?   ;D
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on February 28, 2018, 12:29:23 AM
More stuff for which you have no real need to know.................

In the year 1700, English explorer William Dampier became the first known European to visit the island of what is now New Britain in the Southwest  Pacific.

In 1911 inventor Charles Kettering demonstrated his electric automobile starter in Detroit, by starting a Cadillac's motor with only the pressing of a switch.


Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on March 02, 2018, 06:45:46 PM
On March 2, 1836, Texas declared its independence from Mexico - leaders met at a little town called Washington on the Brazos and made the declaration.  It then became The Republic of Texas until it joined the USA in 1845.  Four days later, on March 6, the Alamo fell to Santa Anna.  On April 21, 1836, Sam Houston's forces defeated Santa Anna's army at San Jacinto, securing the Republic's freedom. Happy Texas Independence Day!
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on March 09, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
One day late. To our ladies I apologize.

Yesterday (March 8) was International Womens Day.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2018, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: Icarus on March 09, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
One day late. To our ladies I apologize.

Yesterday (March 8) was International Womens Day.

Yeah, they mentioned and covered it many times on the World Service - but I cannot remember mention of it before the day! I see that  the New York Times has finally caught up with obits for Charlotte Bronté and several other women from a time when only white males had that accolade.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/obituaries/overlooked.html

Well worth reading.
Title: Re: Re: Today in History
Post by: Essie Mae on March 10, 2018, 12:04:53 AM
Quote from: Dave on March 09, 2018, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: Icarus on March 09, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
One day late. To our ladies I apologize.

Yesterday (March 8) was International Womens Day.

Yeah, they mentioned and covered it many times on the World Service - but I cannot remember mention of it before the day! I see that  the New York Times has finally caught up with obits for Charlotte Bronté and several other women from a time when only white males had that accolade.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/obituaries/overlooked.html

Well worth reading.

It was Dave.
Title: Re: Today in History
Post by: Icarus on March 27, 2018, 08:31:51 PM
In 1625, Charles the First acceded to the English throne upon the death id James the First.


Earlier in 1513, Spanish explorer Juan Ponce deLeon sighted present day Florida..............  He was evidently the first tourist to arrive.  Now we have more than 100 million per year.