Israeli-Hamas war

[Tank]

I do wonder how this is going to end and how.

I think there will be a ceasefire after Hamas returns the remaining hostages in exchange for Palestinian terrorists. Hamas will rebuild their tunnels and replenish their missile arsenal and the story will then repeat itself.

That's one possible outcome. But it would only be a pause in hostilities as you point out.

[billy rubin]

youre right, of course. israel's slaughter of 32,000 palestinians in retaliation for the murders by the hamas militants has created an entire new generation of people who want nothing more than to see every israeli dead.

israel's strategy is to marginalize palestinian society and politics until they are so dispersed, weakened and ostracized by the other arabs that nobody will think twice about ignoring them.

what israeli arrogance fails to understand is that that was the process hamas perceived in october and was the impetus for their attack on southern israel.

and it worked. the palestinian cause has now been elevated to a righteous movement and they have more sympathizers world-wide than ever before.

all it took was thousands of dead palestinians and israelis, and the government of neither side cares about that at all.

[Icarus]

The senseless attack on the three World Kitchen vehicles is just about the last goddam straw. Nations across the world are justifiably incensed about that senseless barbarity.

I am now up for having the US withdraw all aid, of any description, to Israel until Netanyahu and all of his acolytes are long gone.

The Israelis were probably justified in trying to snuff out the Hamas gang. The Hamas crazies are the ones who started the war. But do we need to kill tens of thousands of innocent Palestine women and children who had nothing to do with the ill conceived Hamas raid on Israeli citizens?

[Asmodean]

The senseless attack on the three World Kitchen vehicles is just about the last goddam straw. Nations across the world are justifiably incensed about that senseless barbarity.

Are they, though?

Because I look around and see people worrying about the forecast snow tomorrow because many have switched to summer tyres, a dude landing a Boeing 737 on the nose wheel because of tailwind (I suspect), the whole earthquake situation in Taiwan...

...Even the socialist media (As in, explicitly ideologically Socialist) run the Israel situation below tariff negotiations.

True, that's just the media, but it does at least to a degree reflect where the priorities of ye-average person reside, and while they likely would take a stand one way or the other if asked, the Israeli-Hamas war is not very high on the list of priorities for the average of my society.

While I agree with the overall sentiment, I think "displeased" comes far closer to the actual state of affairs in the "nations across the world," without any specific constraints as to which nations, than "incensed."

The Israelis were probably justified in trying to snuff out the Hamas gang. The Hamas crazies are the ones who started the war. But do we need to kill tens of thousands of innocent Palestine women and children who had nothing to do with the ill conceived Hamas raid on Israeli citizens?

The kind of opponent that Hamas is, "we" probably do. This is not trench warfare in the open fields of Ukraine, and even that one is probably full of more-or-less heinous human rights abuses and war crimes. This is more of a door-to-door grenade-first-then-shoot-or-be-shot kind of conflict, with very few places for the civilians to go to avoid being used in it - never mind being in it at all.

Thus, I once again find myself asking; "what else is there?" There is what Tom said, or there is this. Or is there a realistic third option?

[Tank]

Well Iran sent 300+ drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles at Israel. About 3 got through. Defence by USA, UK, Israel and Jordan.

[billy rubin]

my country just spent a billion dollars defending a regional troublemaker from a country that was exercising a reasonable self-defense.

seriously, my country is making every accusation that its enemmies levy at it come true.

the US shouldl have let the drones through to emphasize to israel that acts like bombing an embassy are not okay, for crying out loud.

but no. we sternly advise iran not to defend itself, while condoning israels destruction of an entire people through starvation.

we have gone way off the rails in the united states of america. we used to stand for something better than this.

[Recusant]

On paper and in self-congratulatory rhetoric. Aspirational speeches.

[Icarus]

Billy I do not think many of us are condoning the starvation of the Palestinian people.

I agree with the other statement that our country has gone off the rails. We have, of late, discovered that we now share the nation with a huge number of  religious crackpots who have gained positions of influence.

Their boisterous and sometimes politically influential presence has persuaded otherwise rational people to believe in space lasers, Orwellian type chips concealed in vaccines, socialists demons taking over our democracy, Obama secretly running the government, and a whole gaggle of other bullshit stuff to believe in.

[Asmodean]

Well Iran sent 300+ drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles at Israel. About 3 got through. Defence by USA, UK, Israel and Jordan.

As of me writing this, Israel is yet to respond.

I think Iran knew that their attack would be symbolic more than anything, and may even have been aiming for something big enough to generate headlines (which it did over here for quite a few hours) but comparatively ineffective enough that Israel and/or its allies would not be compelled to respond.

There are dangerous games being played on that proverbial chessboard. Hmm... Time will tell.