Americans and trump say "Other terrorists(isis etc) are bad but my terrorists(Israel) are good and we will support them;
Recently trump announced Jerusalem as the capital of Israel which is the place of Palestine
Israeli forces killing the innocent Palestinians everyday with the help of America
Muslims are peaceful and we condemn every kind of terrorism
Stand for humanity if you have a soft heart
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Whilst I am, to a degree, sympathetic with the Palestinian cause - and also anti-Trump - I am not sure if the comparison with 9/11 is valid.
But, basically, I think all sides in that area are as bad as each other, all driven by ancient enmities that their religions, or religious sects, have fostered. There can be no peace where there is racial, national and religious conflict that has become part of the transgenerational culture and heritage.
https://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY
So Palestinian Christians don't matter. K
Good to see you admit that 9/11 was a Muslim/Islamist attack.
I've lost any sympathies towards Israel and Palestine many years ago.
Quote from: Tom62 on December 10, 2017, 11:55:31 AM
I've lost any sympathies towards Israel and Palestine many years ago
Me too.
I lost my sympathies for humanity very long ago. Fighting over a patch of dirt that was here long before you were, and will be here long after you're gone is futile, and only further illustrates the backwards thinking of the planets most devastating virus.
I'm confused.
why can't these just get along
Quote from: Dave on December 10, 2017, 11:12:38 AM
Whilst I am, to a degree, sympathetic with the Palestinian cause - and also anti-Trump - I am not sure if the comparison with 9/11 is valid.
But, basically, I think all sides in that area are as bad as each other, all driven by ancient enmities that their religions, or religious sects, have fostered. There can be no peace where there is racial, national and religious conflict that has become part of the transgenerational culture and heritage.
Agreed.
Quote from: sweetto on December 10, 2017, 11:01:34 AM
Muslims are peaceful and we condemn every kind of terrorism
So are Xtians, to hear them tell it. We still see plenty of Xtian violence and support for certain kinds of terrorism. As far as I can see, it's the same for Muslims.
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 11, 2017, 12:19:09 AM
why can't these moslems and jews just get along
Too nationalistic, racist and too long a memory. What do you expect from apes with just enough brains to be dangerous?
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 11, 2017, 01:23:28 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 10, 2017, 11:01:34 AM
Muslims are peaceful and we condemn every kind of terrorism
So are Xtians, to hear them tell it. We still see plenty of Xtian violence and support for certain kinds of terrorism. As far as I can see, it's the same for Muslims.
Good point, Sandy.
So, sweetto, none of those terrorists with explosive vests, guns, knives etc from Palestine are terrorists? If the Israeli and American national forces are terrorists so then are the national forces of Palestine - thus none of these Palestinian soldiers are Muslims? Al Qaeda are not Muslims? Daesh are not Muslims? Boko haram are not Muslim? Those, and others, praising Allah are all organisations that indulge in terror, that prey on innocent people specifically.
You cannot fight for peace, by the very actions of using violence, even to defend yourself, you destroy peace. But then you destroy yourself, at least as a nation. So no kind of violence, aggressive or defensive, ever truly wins.
Look at a map of those areas with the strongest religious traits and, basically, you find most of the areas with the most violence. It does not matter what the religion, Christian, Catholic, South and Central America is the most violent, nost politically and economically unstable area in the Western world. The whole of the Near and Middle East, pluc South Asia, is one mess of violence, sect against sect, denomination against denomination, state against state. A large part of Africa is inflicted with inter-denominational violence, other parts with inter-tribal violence.
So, these ancient forces of religion, tribalism and nationalism are excuses mankind uses to drive the even older tendency to protect his immediate group and hunting/gathering territory against the neighbours. The tactics are basically meaningless, the child killed by the suicide bomber is just as dead as the one killed by the bullet fired, the bomb dropped from a plane or the rocket or missile from the Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhidt, Hindu or atheist enemy. None is more justified than any other, all are selfish.
"He did it to me first" is the excuse of a child with no wisdom.
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 11, 2017, 12:17:00 AM
Quote from: No one on December 10, 2017, 11:44:10 PM
I lost my sympathies for humanity very long ago. Fighting over a patch of dirt that was here long before you were, and will be here long after you're gone is futile, and only further illustrates the backwards thinking of the planets most devastating virus.
I'm confused. Is the virus religion? or humanity?
It's humanity. Religion is just one strain.
Regarding the OP and title of the thread, there are over 300,000,000 real faces of America. Our policy in the Middle East is just one aspect of a complex society. There are people on both sides of the debate and everywhere in between. There is no one real face of this country.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 11, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Regarding the OP and title of the thread, there are over 300,000,000 real faces of America. Our policy in the Middle East is just one aspect of a complex society. There are people on both sides of the debate and everywhere in between. There is no one real face of this country.
You're wrong.
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Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 11, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Regarding the OP and title of the thread, there are over 300,000,000 real faces of America. Our policy in the Middle East is just one aspect of a complex society. There are people on both sides of the debate and everywhere in between. There is no one real face of this country.
You're wrong.
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I'm comfortable being wrong, since I spend so much time there.
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Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 12, 2017, 01:33:03 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 11, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Regarding the OP and title of the thread, there are over 300,000,000 real faces of America. Our policy in the Middle East is just one aspect of a complex society. There are people on both sides of the debate and everywhere in between. There is no one real face of this country.
You're wrong.
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
I'm comfortable being wrong, since I spend so much time there.
Clearly, someone got born between those two posts.
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Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 12, 2017, 02:46:54 AM
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Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 11, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Regarding the OP and title of the thread, there are over 300,000,000 real faces of America. Our policy in the Middle East is just one aspect of a complex society. There are people on both sides of the debate and everywhere in between. There is no one real face of this country.
You're wrong.
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
I'm comfortable being wrong, since I spend so much time there.
Clearly, someone got born between those two posts.
:P
I like to keep myself updated.
Why people have double standard ?
Why we don't feel the pain of others ?
If there is any terrorism attack in western country majority peaceful Muslims who know the real teachings of Islam they stand with them
But why western world is silent on this Israeli and American terrorism?
Who is real terrorist then ?
Think about it
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Weapons used by ISIS range from handguns and grenades through rocket launchers, howitzers and armoured vehicles. About the only things they do not have is cruise missiles and aircraft.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_ISIL
ISIS finances are mainly through illegal means, the sale of stolen oil, ancient artifacts, drugs, heavy taxes on occupied territory etc. There sre allegations that Qatar also support them. Possibly some radical Arabic businessmen?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_ISIL
Compared to the amount of Medieval barbarity ISIS displays, and boasts of, the offences of Israel against prisoners or civilians are minor. The Palestinians are quually as brutal against their perceived enemies, military and civilian, in terms of suicide bombing, shooting, stabbing, rockets etc. ISIS and other Islamic militant groups seem to consider their success is measured by the number of non-combatants as well as combatants killed, Muslims as well as Christians. They will kill Sunnis who do not follow their rules as easily as thry do Shi'ites.
Like all Muslim fundamentalists they are seeking a world of 1400 years ago and acting in that ancient way.
All in that area say they follow the same god, Muslim and Jew, well, what a right bastard that god must be to encourage and reward such barbaric brutality.
Well said, Dave. Exactly what I was going to say, only entirely different in the sense that you are infinitely more polite.
Evidence for Saudi support for ISIS?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-is-saudi-arabia-funding-isis
But, it seems, that their coffers are running low as they lose territory...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-islamic-state-daesh-funding-iraq-syria-territory-losses-oil-air-strikes-icsr-report-antiquities-a7586936.html
sweetto, if you're going to try to convince people on this forum, you're going to need more than cherry picking.
Getting back to your wuestions, sweetto, though I can only speak for myself:
QuoteWhy people have double standard ?
All people, in general, have more than one set of values. A few people nay be able to be utilitarian, to sacrifice their own, needs, even those of their families, in favour of the gain of the whole nation, race or even the world. Large groups tend to suffer from group think, often informed by inherited memory in the case of close knit groups; families, clans, tribes, nations, religions etc. Include groups like football fans in there as well. This inevitably invokes the "them and us" or, worse, "them or us", attitude. "Them" can never be right and "us" can never be wrong. That applies especially in countries where being in the wrong group can be a death sentence.
QuoteWhy we don't feel the pain of others ?
We do, I am against the hatred and fighting but, since this has been part of human history since Ogg's clan cast a jealous eye on the resources of Ugg's territory and hit him on the head with a rock it will ptobably take another few hundreds of thousands of years for our race to grow up. Meanwhile I donate money every month to Medicins sans Frontierres out of my pension, it's all I can do.
QuoteIf there is any terrorism attack in western country majority peaceful Muslims who know the real teachings of Islam they stand with them
So, in effect, you say these people are not Muslims? I could agree with you that they act counter to the more humane aspects of your book, but each person is expected to interpret the book in their own way - so, in reality, they are just another
kind of Muslim from the external point of view.
QuoteBut why western world is silent on this Israeli and American terrorism?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Israeli_government
The pummelling of Gaza has cost Israel sympathy not just in Europe, but also among Americans. Israelis are debating how to respond (https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21610312-pummelling-gaza-has-cost-israel-sympathy-not-just-europe-also-among-americans)
In Western Europe, Israel went from darling to divisive in 50 years (https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-western-europe-israel-went-from-darling-to-divisive-in-50-years/)
Lots more out there if you would care to actually do a little research and indulge in some objective thinking.
QuoteWho is real terrorist then ?
I think every person, soldier, official or civilians follower that employs "terrorist" techniques, causing non-combatants to be fearful in the normal pursuit of life, should be treated in the same way by the law. There is no excuse for retribution.
QuoteThink about it
I do, every day, I listen to radio reports, documentaries, read Internet articles etc. I am left with the conclusion that, given national and global politics, religious dogma, commercial greed, nationalism, resource shortages and all the other negative things that we seem to be incapable of fixing or growing out of... We don't have much of a future as a race, and it's all our fault.
Added later: I listen and read, compare and corroborate where I can, then reflect and try to reach a balanced personal conclusion. I will never claim it is a truly bslanced one though.
But, I still try to do my best to make each day a triumph in some small way.
Widen your mind, sweetto, look at it from the other's point of view, is it really so different from yours? How is the "blame" divided between you in reality?
About the whole "religion of peace" claims made by both Muslims and Xtians, someone (it may have even been someone here, I can't remember) once pointed out that if these religions where truly about peace and love then their fundamentalist adherents should be the most peaceful and loving people on Earth following as they do the most basic, unadulterated tenets of their religion. Instead, however, in both cases they are among the most violent and hateful people on Earth. I'm thinking these religions create an unacceptable amount of leeway for violence, which removes them very decidedly from the "religion of peace" category.
I really have no soft place in my heart for it, just pure evil.
Quote from: Davin on December 20, 2017, 02:00:29 PM
sweetto, if you're going to try to convince people on this forum, you're going to need more than cherry picking.
:this:
...And better punctuation/translation?
Quote from: sweetto on December 20, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
Islam is peace we can stand against Isis
do you have
courage and soft heart that you can
stand against Israel and America?
:headscratch:
Swetto.
Your IP resolves to Pakistan. I have a Christian friend in Lahore who had relatives killed and injured in the Islamist terrorist attack there.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/lahore-bombings-blast-pictures-pakistan-devastation-suicide-attack-taliban-a6956161.html
Clean up your own shit before you criticise others.
I'm sure this one ruffles so feathers for some of you
Quote from: Magdalena on December 20, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
...And better punctuation/translation?
Quote from: sweetto on December 20, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
Islam is peace we can stand against Isis
do you have
courage and soft heart that you can
stand against Israel and America?
:headscratch:
:no idea:
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 20, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
I'm sure this one ruffles so feathers for some of you: I also believe Isreal had a big part in putting together the 9/11 attacks. No country on earth benefited more from 9/11 than isreal. Cave-dwelling, desert moslems I don't believe could've ever put together an attack as sophisticated as 9/11. Israeli Jews on the other hand....
:blahblah:
Probably few ruffled feathers here. You don't have a great deal of credibility, and spouting conspiracy theory twaddle based on inaccurate characterizations only helps firm up that situation.
Tank I truly miss the rare postings of your "christian friend in Lahore". Some of us, in the past, came to admire, even love her from afar. For those of you who do not know Niya, she is a very special human being. Sure enough we heathen scum can actually care for people who have a different set of beliefs.
Tank, if the occasion ever arises, please tell her that I said that.
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 20, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
Cave-dwelling, desert moslems I don't believe could've ever put together an attack as sophisticated as 9/11.
Underestimating your enemy based on prejudice isn't the smartest thing to do. Just as Bin Laden and his ilk most likely underestimated the US's resolve to get them after the attack. Prejudice itself is an umbrella that covers a wide population and blinds you from seeing what's really going on.
With all the intelligence-gathering resources the US has, the leader of those "cave-dwelling, desert moslems" took ten long years to get caught. Seems like it was quite a challenge...how difficult could it be to find such unsophisticated people?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 20, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
Cave-dwelling, desert moslems I don't believe could've ever put together an attack as sophisticated as 9/11.
Underestimating your enemy based on prejudice isn't the smartest thing to do. Just as Bin Laden and his ilk most likely underestimated the US's resolve to get them after the attack. Prejudice itself is an umbrella that covers a wide population and blinds you from seeing what's really going on.
With all the intelligence-gathering resources the US has, the leader of those "cave-dwelling, desert moslems" took ten long years to get caught. Seems like it was quite a challenge...how difficult could it be to find such unsophisticated people?
If what I read is correct during those years bin Laden would not allow smartphones or Internet connected computers anywhere near him and he lived as a toral recluse. He was a modern man in every way, intelligent and fully aware of the dangers, as well as advantages, of technology. Restricting his visitors to only the most trusted worked for a long time, he became invisible to all but the oldest forms of intelligence gathering.
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him. Or just use force to blow him off the face of the Earth - so long as you do the same for all his followers and cause no "collateral damage" that will generate more enemies.
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 20, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
Cave-dwelling, desert moslems I don't believe could've ever put together an attack as sophisticated as 9/11.
Underestimating your enemy based on prejudice isn't the smartest thing to do. Just as Bin Laden and his ilk most likely underestimated the US's resolve to get them after the attack. Prejudice itself is an umbrella that covers a wide population and blinds you from seeing what's really going on.
With all the intelligence-gathering resources the US has, the leader of those "cave-dwelling, desert moslems" took ten long years to get caught. Seems like it was quite a challenge...how difficult could it be to find such unsophisticated people?
If what I read is correct during those years bin Laden would not allow smartphones or Internet connected computers anywhere near him and he lived as a toral recluse. He was a modern man in every way, intelligent and fully aware of the dangers, as well as advantages, of technology. Restricting his visitors to only the most trusted worked for a long time, he became invisible to all but the oldest forms of intelligence gatheting.
He may have been a lot of things, but stupid he was not.
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him.
Sun Tzu.
QuoteOr judt use fircevyo bliw him off the face of the Earth...
Clausewitz!
Quote from: Icarus on December 21, 2017, 01:25:02 AM
Tank I truly miss the rare postings of your "christian friend in Lahore". Some of us, in the past, came to admire, even love her from afar. For those of you who do not know Niya, she is a very special human being. Sure enough we heathen scum can actually care for people who have a different set of beliefs.
Tank, if the occasion ever arises, please tell her that I said that.
I will :)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him.
Sun Tzu.
QuoteOr just use force to blow him off the face of the Earth...
Clausewitz!
Never read Clausewitz, but one can imagine the difference between the "Western" and "Eastern" approaches there! I'll go with Sun Tzu...Unless the other guy is seven foot, 120kg and I am carrying a shotgun.
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him.
Sun Tzu.
QuoteOr just use force to blow him off the face of the Earth...
Clausewitz!
Never read Clausewitz, but one can imagine the difference between the "Western" and "Eastern" approaches there! I'll go with Sun Tzu...Unless the other guy is seven foot, 120kg and I am carrying a shotgun.
I also have a soft spot for the Eastern approach, even if Sun Tzu is a little simplistic and formulaic in his writing.
...And if you don't have a shotgun, you use his strength and momentum against him. :grin:
(The smaller opponent can win, it is known.)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him.
Sun Tzu.
QuoteOr just use force to blow him off the face of the Earth...
Clausewitz!
Never read Clausewitz, but one can imagine the difference between the "Western" and "Eastern" approaches there! I'll go with Sun Tzu...Unless the other guy is seven foot, 120kg and I am carrying a shotgun.
I also have a soft spot for the Eastern approach, even if Sun Tzu is a little simplistic and formulaic in his writing.
...And if you don't have a shotgun, you use his strength and momentum against him. :grin:
(The smaller opponent can win, it is known.)
In judo in my RAF training the captain of the rugby 2nd 11 would not take on little ol' 160cm, 55kg me 'cos I put him on his back too often...
Quote from: AngelOfDeath on December 20, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
Cave-dwelling, desert moslems I don't believe could've ever put together an attack as sophisticated as 9/11.
The Saudis are pretty advanced, and have more money than God. They don't dwell in caves, by the way. The cities, where most of them live, are quite modern.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him.
Sun Tzu
Were the ancients more wise than we? I think that there is that possibility.
Fixed quotes - xSP
What we will feel if terrorists killing our kids?
We will stand against them if we have soft heart
Then why we support isreal who is killing the innocent Palestinian muslims
Even now American trump made Jerusalem as the capital of Israel so America giving the legal rights to isreal just kill the innocent (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171222/d4cd26d270b0bcdc4858a5be1039e0f7.jpg)
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People are stupid! Fighting over a patch of dirt that existed long before humanity did, and will most likely be here long after they're gone, is not only an exercise in futility, but is also a revolting display of unyielding ignorance.
I, really, don't, know, what, to, say, here. :shifty:
Quote from: Magdalena on December 22, 2017, 07:07:15 AM
I, really, don't, know, what, to, say, here. :shifty:
I suspect that, like Sister Agatha, sweetto doesn't require a reply.
And how many Jewish children have died from indescriminate attacks with rockets?
That's right. Keeps on killing each other you stupid fucks.
Quote from: No one on December 22, 2017, 06:47:00 AM
People are stupid! Fighting over a patch of dirt that existed long before humanity did, and will most likely be here long after they're gone, is not only an exercise in futility, but is also a revolting display of unyielding ignorance.
It's not just any patch of dirt, it's a
holy patch of dirt. :shifty:
Quote from: Icarus on December 22, 2017, 12:37:54 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him.
Sun Tzu
Were the ancients more wise than we? I think that there is that possibility.
I don't think so, as a whole. If we can learn through the experience of others, and history is made of experiences, then we have a lot more material with which to learn. We have more giants whose shoulders we can stand on. ;D
Whatever the state of my heart, I cannot be moved to action via irrationality.
I agree entirely xSP. We do have many giants whose wisdom or brilliance we can admire and use to our advantage. It must be said that wisdom and brilliance are not at all the same attribute. Brilliance is like that of Richard Feynman or Albert Einstein, Salk, Curie and the rest. Wisdom is a whole other ball game. Refer to Plato's Allegory of the Cave for example. That old dude was a real thinker. Some of his Greek buddies were also paying attention.
I do not believe that the ancients were smarter than we are but they did come up with some philosophic concepts that continue to be as valid and useful as anything that we moderns have contrived.
.
Plato's Allegory of the Cave was one of the reasons I liked the (first) Matrix movie so much. 8)
The Greeks thought of everything. Even that animals evolve...well before Darwin or Lamarck did. Very impressive, but those philosophers probably had way too much time on their hands to think, think and think some more.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 22, 2017, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Icarus on December 22, 2017, 12:37:54 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
And it is true that you need to study an enemy deeply, respect him and learn to think like him before you can defeat him.
Sun Tzu
Were the ancients more wise than we? I think that there is that possibility.
I don't think so, as a whole. If we can learn through the experience of others, and history is made of experiences, then we have a lot more material with which to learn. We have more giants whose shoulders we can stand on. ;D
But there sre those, inflated with their own self-importance, who kick those same giants in the head whilst up there. History does repeat itself, unfortunately.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 23, 2017, 01:01:37 AM
Plato's Allegory of the Cave was one of the reasons I liked the (first) Matrix movie so much. 8)
The Greeks thought of everything. Even that animals evolve...well before Darwin or Lamarck did. Very impressive, but those philosophers probably had way too much time on their hands to think, think and think some more.
(Note to self: check up on "Allegory of the cave"...)
Unfortunately those true thinkers are mostly not suitable, being too abstract, to be in charge of human affairs. Einstein, rightfully, turned fown the offer of bring appointed president of Israel. He would have been a very unhappy politician and thus a poor leader.
Politics, being the very antithesis of common sense and pragmatism IMHO, tends to attract the more aggressive and self-opinionated type.
American trump clearly suppprting Israeli terrorists who are killing the innocnet muslims of Palestine
He made Jerusalem as the capital of Israel even last day united nation rejected the trump act
Why people have double standard they dislike other terrorists but on other side they helped own(Israeli) terrorists to kill the innocent muslims(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/6035a6fab4ce11dc067b9136860b09c6.jpg)
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Well you're a little like a broken record, aren't you?
Sweetto
Please stop reposting effectivly the same subject in different places across the forum. I have mearged your posts on Israel/Palastine into one thread. Please feel free to add to this thread. If I have to keep merging stuff you'll piss me off. Also this is a discussion forum, not a political agenda forum. If you post then you respond to points raised or I will consider your actions as spamming. If you do enough of that you'll be suspended and potentially banned. I hope I have explained the position effectivly.
Regards
Tank
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 23, 2017, 08:05:19 AM
Well you're a little like a broken record, aren't you?
He is. If you see posts on this subject from him not attached to this thread please merge them and make a note of the action.
Quote from: sweetto on December 23, 2017, 07:55:41 AM
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Depending on where you put the missing comma here, that could mean a lot of contradictory things.
Quote from: Tank on December 23, 2017, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 23, 2017, 08:05:19 AM
Well you're a little like a broken record, aren't you?
He is. If you see posts on this subject from him not attached to this thread please merge them and make a note of the action.
Will do. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Dave on December 23, 2017, 07:52:42 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 23, 2017, 01:01:37 AM
Plato's Allegory of the Cave was one of the reasons I liked the (first) Matrix movie so much. 8)
The Greeks thought of everything. Even that animals evolve...well before Darwin or Lamarck did. Very impressive, but those philosophers probably had way too much time on their hands to think, think and think some more.
(Note to self: check up on "Allegory of the cave"...)
Here's a short TED-ed video on Plato's Cave Allegory:
QuoteUnfortunately those true thinkers are mostly not suitable, being too abstract, to be in charge of human affairs. Einstein, rightfully, turned fown the offer of bring appointed president of Israel. He would have been a very unhappy politician and thus a poor leader.
Politics, being the very antithesis of common sense and pragmatism IMHO, tends to attract the more aggressive and self-opinionated type.
Yes, it seems the loudest and not the most qualified end up winning in that game. ::)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 23, 2017, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 23, 2017, 07:52:42 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 23, 2017, 01:01:37 AM
Plato's Allegory of the Cave was one of the reasons I liked the (first) Matrix movie so much. 8)
The Greeks thought of everything. Even that animals evolve...well before Darwin or Lamarck did. Very impressive, but those philosophers probably had way too much time on their hands to think, think and think some more.
(Note to self: check up on "Allegory of the cave"...)
Here's a short TED-ed video on Plato's Cave Allegory:
QuoteUnfortunately those true thinkers are mostly not suitable, being too abstract, to be in charge of human affairs. Einstein, rightfully, turned fown the offer of bring appointed president of Israel. He would have been a very unhappy politician and thus a poor leader.
Politics, being the very antithesis of common sense and pragmatism IMHO, tends to attract the more aggressive and self-opinionated type.
Yes, it seems the loudest and not the most qualified end up winning in that game. ::)
Thank's, Silver, will view that after I have read the freebie I downloaded from Amazon.
Even now American trump clearly helping Israeli terrorists who are killing the innocent muslims
united nation rejected the trump decision of making Jerusalem as capital of Israel but still America helping Israeli terrorists
On other side westren media do drama against islam due to own hate but in fact they have double standard(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171225/7786195b58c5126445a90f8837ce02bb.jpg)
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Come down off your pedestal, stop playing the victim!
Quote from: sweetto on December 25, 2017, 09:45:11 AM
Even now American trump clearly helping Israeli terrorists who are killing the innocent muslims
united nation rejected the trump decision of making Jerusalem as capital of Israel but still America helping Israeli terrorists
On other side westren media do drama against islam due to own hate but in fact they have double standard
Why are you bringing this cry for justice here? we can't do anything, no one here likes Trump.
Have you tried praying?
I know there's language difficulties but Trump recognised Jerusalem as capital, he didn't make it so.
Anyway, Israel has to come to prominence, or something or other for the end times to get here.
I've heard some experts on the matter say you'll stay the age you were at the end time cut off for ever.
Well, I don't want to be 94 for eternity, I think we should get this end time sorted ASAP. Should have let Reagan sort it and I'd still be in my twenties.
It's funny isn't it, that old testament stuff, the Jews coming to the promised land but there were people living there already, god didn't like them though, chortle chortle.
Quote from: sweetto on December 25, 2017, 09:45:11 AM
Even now American trump clearly helping Israeli terrorists who are killing the innocent muslims
united nation rejected the trump decision of making Jerusalem as capital of Israel but still America helping Israeli terrorists
On other side westren media do drama against islam due to own hate but in fact they have double standard
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Sweetto, you do not respond to points raised and questions asked, instead continue to post the same thing repeatably like you expect it's going to enter our heads through osmosis. News flash, it's not.
Consider this your first warning. Either you change your behaviour or you face suspension or possible banning.
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Quote from: Imam TawhidiSorry but the truth is the truth.
Palestinian leaders (terrorist Hamas, etc) claim that their nation is poor and oppressed. The population of Palestinians in Palestine is around 5 million people ONLY. These crooks (one dead) are sitting on 28 BILLION DOLLARS. If each of them gave a decent donation to their own people, there would be nothing left to complain about; and the leaders would still be multi-billionaires. But no, this gang of unqualified barbaric leaders want to rob their nation and put the blame on USA, Israel and UK.
Well, listening to the news today, and in many past days, Islam does not need America or Israel as an enemy, Muslims are their own worst enemies.
Quote from: Dave on December 28, 2017, 05:55:54 PM
Well, listening to the news today, and in many past days, Islam does not need America or Israel as an enemy, Muslims are their own worst enemies.
That is true. Most victims of Muslim terrorism are other Muslims.
Today is the last day of 2017
Thousands of people are killed in kashmir by Indian forces and in palestine by Israeli forces
Still they are doing even America(trump)openly supporting these terrorist countries
On other side few people support those terrorist countries just because they hate islam and muslims
Ask from yourself
Will you enter in 2018
With double standard?
With that heart who is hard like stone ?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171231/21eaa1960ae55d7a128e97fddd1493ac.jpg)
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Lats week there was an overview of the 2017 "highlights". Nearly every 2 weeks there has been a Muslim terrorist attack, with hundreds of innocent people killed. Christmas markets and other major public events n Germany are now patrolled by armed policemen and the streets are closed off with concrete blocks to protected us from the "religion of peace". Before playing the victim card, I recommend that you have a closer and more critical look to your own religion.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trackie.com%2Ftrack-and-field%2Fimg%2Flayout%2Ficon_quote.jpg&hash=c5a9d5ac5c9c0366d813e18a50510fe9aa16bfc2)Tom62:
Before playing the victim card, I recommend that you have a closer and more critical look to your own religion.
Unimaginable, it is a daunting task to peer into the unspeakable horrors of the looking glass, Tom. (https://web.stardock.net/images/smiles/themes/digicons/Gagged.png)
Laughable!
Just for the statistics (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017). From 01.01.2017 till 29.12.2017, there were 2023 Islamic attacks in 61 countries, in which 15613 people were killed and 14171 injured.
Quote from: Tom62 on December 31, 2017, 09:19:45 AM
Lats week there was an overview of the 2017 "highlights". Nearly every 2 weeks there has been a Muslim terrorist attack, with hundreds of innocent people killed. Christmas markets and other major public events n Germany are now patrolled by armed policemen and the streets are closed off with concrete blocks to protected us from the "religion of peace". Before playing the victim card, I recommend that you have a closer and more critical look to your own religion.
We have to do similar, if you're not parking large trucks to block murder vehicles from public events you're being negligent, this is in my 45,000 person town.
This is our latest:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/flinders-street-rampage-christmas-carnage-in-melbournes-heart/news-story/dacb79871a856e7b6a122a902487c08e?nk=ed4e1ffc75a6a7a36042fd980bf4b63b-1514719298 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/flinders-street-rampage-christmas-carnage-in-melbournes-heart/news-story/dacb79871a856e7b6a122a902487c08e?nk=ed4e1ffc75a6a7a36042fd980bf4b63b-1514719298)
QuotePolice have revealed that a man accused of ramming his car into pedestrians on busy Flinders Street, in downtown Melbourne yesterday, is a refugee, who reported mumbled about "perceived mistreatment of Muslims."
That guy is likely insane, to be insane and accept sweetto's view, some people will likely die.
We've had major waves of immigrants ever since we stole the place.
English, Irish, Greek, Italian, German, Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, none of them required us to increase security, lower freedom because a tiny % of them wanted us dead enough to do it. We let Afghans in because they are in real danger from ethnically different Afghan Muslims, but a tiny % of them will want to kill us enough to kill us.
Happy New Year