capitalism = exploitation

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hey, I did so in plain English in my last post:

How does cutting down all the Trees raise the average height of the forest?

I am, of course, assuming you can think metaphorically.  I will not think for you, and if you refuse this time to answer, I will regard you as a nonsense artist and move on to other, more remunerative tasks.  such as farming dental floss.  

Ball's in your court, compadre.

lol still havent explained the metaphor and its relevance here. i can only assume you dont actually get it yourself.

the blue moon rises when the lights go bright

if you dont get it than im not doing you're thinking for you and im going home, mmmk!

Very well.  You refuse to answer?  I refuse to play.  G'night.

eta: one more chance to change a mind lost to you.

[ped]

Hey, I did so in plain English in my last post:

How does cutting down all the Trees raise the average height of the forest?

I am, of course, assuming you can think metaphorically.  I will not think for you, and if you refuse this time to answer, I will regard you as a nonsense artist and move on to other, more remunerative tasks.  such as farming dental floss.  

Ball's in your court, compadre.

lol still havent explained the metaphor and its relevance here. i can only assume you dont actually get it yourself.

the blue moon rises when the lights go bright

if you dont get it than im not doing you're thinking for you and im going home, mmmk!

Very well.  You refuse to answer?  I refuse to play.  G'night.

eta: one more chance to change a mind lost to you.

sooo weird, i once had a JW utter almost that exact same thing to me!

[Thumpalumpacus]

Like I said, g'night.  You're obviously a waste of time.

[ped]

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[ped]

Like I said, g'night.  You're obviously a waste of time.

its all good, i suppose i understand if you're too proud to outright concede.  

[Thumpalumpacus]

[ped]

hey what are you doing i thought you were done?

[Wilson]

All that he said then I said crap is really boring.

Let me ask you, ped, seriously:  What sort of economic system do you suggest?  Please be specific.  Let's see if you're a serious thinker on this subject - or just like to stir the pot.

[elliebean]

The language you use is very emotive, unfortunately, I feel it may be emotive, in place of a cogent argument.

Fair enough. I don't make many cogent arguments  anymore because I've got the drain bamage.  :drool

As with evolution, it seems the people opposed to it, lack understanding of some of the finer points of what they argue against (though I freely admit, most likely any socialist would call me ignorant of their beliefs). I don't mean to be condescending, but to me, the parallel is quite striking.

Yeah, it's equally striking from the other side of the argument.

I'm not a socialist though, I'm an anarcho-communist.

[ped]

All that he said then I said crap is really boring.

Let me ask you, ped, seriously:  What sort of economic system do you suggest?  Please be specific.  Let's see if you're a serious thinker on this subject - or just like to stir the pot.

he left because he cant back an inane metaphor.


Let me ask you, Wilson, seriously:  If we dont have christianity what sort of moral system do you suggest? please be specific. Let's see if you're a serious thinker on this subject - or just like to stir the pot.

[Stevil]

Lets say I start up a business

I decide that I want to make lemonade. So I put my life's savings into it. I buy a lemon squeezing machine, I buy lots of lemons, sugar and whatever else is needed to make lemonade. I pay all the expenses incurred in starting up a company, getting a trademark for the name, advertising and building a brand. So far I am making huge losses but that is expected. I am hoping to make a profit down the road once established in the market, hopefully my life savings wont run out before I am able to start making profits.

Since I am busy starting up the business, producing advertising campains and finding distributors etc as well as making the lemonade, I find that I don't have time to clean the lemon squeezing machine. Its simple enough to do, just takes 1 hour per day, a hose down and wipe. So I go to the job market and try to find someone to do this for me. I find someone that seems capable and trustworthy that is willing to work for minimum wage. They do the work and I pay them the agreed wage.

Lets say my company turns out to be hugely successful and I make a small fortune, the person that is cleaning my lemon squeezing machine finds out how much profit I am making and demands substantially more money.
Should I:
A) Share the profits with my lemon squeezing machine cleaner in a ratio that is proportionate to the profits that my business makes
B) Hire someone else that is willing to clean my lemon squeezing machine for minimum wage

If I went down path B, should I feel guilty for exploiting the person cleaning my lemon squeezing machine or feel proud that my company is successful and I am providing income for another person as well as making myself wealthy?

[ped]

you should feel proud that you have helped out someone so obviously in need with your generosity. without your great business sense they wouldnt otherwise have anything. surely thats why they agreed to working for whatever they could get in the first place. if there were a heaven you'd definitely be going! in fact it might make even more business sense to simply allow them to live on you property and provide them with some food in exchange for their work. maybe get them to do other chores while they're at it. that would free up more time to complain on the internet about the amount of taxes you have to pay to the big bad guberment.

[The Magic Pudding]

United States Department of Labor

* For work performed prior to July 24, 2007, the federal minimum wage is $5.15 per hour.

    * For work performed from July 24, 2007 to July 23, 2008, the federal minimum wage is $5.85 per hour.

    * For work performed from July 24, 2008 to July 23, 2009, the federal minimum wage is $6.55 per hour.

    * For work performed on or after July 24, 2009, the federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour.

Didn't the slave owners complain about the cost of keeping slaves, have to feed them, they get old and you still have to feed them.
This minimum wage isn't much better, business slows down, or they grow old just lay them off.

3 Jun 2010 ... Fair Work Australia announced the change to the $544 minimum wage in Melbourne today, bringing it up to $570 a week, or $15 per hour.

$7.25 doesn't seem like a fair thing to me, better than $5.15 I suppose.  Poverty must motivate people to do better, but what problems does it cause?

[Asmodean]

At this point, you're losing audience, due to obvious bullshittery

Lost me a long time ago...

Some people are not interested in a discussion, only on insisting that their beliefs and/or ways and/or understanding are correct and going in circles when challenged... I think the OP may be one such. Of course, it could have just been my impression of this thread, but I'm very rarely just plain wrong. (No more offence intended than that given by calling a bald guy bald   )

[SSY]

you should feel proud that you have helped out someone so obviously in need with your generosity. without your great business sense they wouldnt otherwise have anything. surely thats why they agreed to working for whatever they could get in the first place. if there were a heaven you'd definitely be going! in fact it might make even more business sense to simply allow them to live on you property and provide them with some food in exchange for their work. maybe get them to do other chores while they're at it. that would free up more time to complain on the internet about the amount of taxes you have to pay to the big bad guberment.

Welcome to Trolldom, population, you.