I don't know if this is a social issue or not, but I know I'm not the only woman who has ever had an experience like this, so here we go.
There are few instances where I feel uncomfortable defending myself, but one such instance happened just the other day, and in Drumpf's America, I fear it may happen again.
My husband was meeting up at our favorite dive bar in Atlantic City to catch up with a friend he hadn't seen in awhile and he needed a ride. Not wishing to intrude on his guy time, I parked at the bar and walked across the street to the Tropicana casino, figuring I'd drop in at my old workplace and see if any of my former coworkers were working. None were, so I ended up just heading back the way I had came. I figured maybe I'd walk up to the beach, as I find the sight and sound of the ocean at night to be very grounding and peaceful. Unfortunately, I didn't make it that far because I was intercepted by a bunch of drunk guys in a bachelor party.
Coming down the escalator to cut through the (deserted!) bus terminal, four guys coming up the opposite way saw me and exclaimed, "Oh my God!" I braced myself for unpleasantries, because I'm not exactly the prettiest girl, but all they wanted was a high five. Feeling relieved, I obliged, and all four of them got a high five. When I reached the bottom of the escalator there were more guys in the same party. I told them to be safe, but to have a few drinks for me. One of the guys said to me, "More than a few! I'll have a few drinks with you. Hell, I'll have a few of you! Let's go!"
Politely, I declined (I'm married, and also hello stranger danger), and at that point it got nasty. I quickened my pace, but as I was walking away they heckled me and made threatening comments and all I could do was pray that I could make it to the door and outside where there were at least a few bus drivers because I didn't want to open my mouth and say the wrong thing and have them make good on those threats. My fear was only compounded by the fact that a few years previously, at the 7-11 on the same block, a guy went from hitting on me to threatening to stab me when I told him I wasn't interested. Atlantic City has the second highest rate of violent crime in New Jersey, so the thought that anyone you encounter might be carrying a gun or a knife is always at the back of my mind.
Thankfully, I made it across the street to the bar where my husband and his friend were, and I told them what happened. The bartender knows us pretty well and he offered to go out and tell them to fuck off, but I told him not to bother as they had probably already disappeared into the casino. Nothing bad happened, but it could've, and that is what scares me. I'm unemployed and I've got $5 to my name, I can't afford pepper spray or self-defense classes. If it happens again and it goes much further south, I don't know what I could do. I just hate feeling so unsafe in the only city that has ever felt like home to me. I don't want to leave Atlantic City, but I'm feeling increasingly unsafe just living in America right now.
I am sorry to read of your experience and, probably justified, fear PR.
From the tales and attitudes in another, 90% Anerican, atheist forum I got the idea that all those violent confrontations in public places we see in the movies, and on TV, are not an unaccurate depiction of American life.
None of those on that forum were women beaters (at least they spoke against it) but all if them seemed to just accept violence as a part of life. Many were "open carry" gun supporters and spoke as if this was the only way of "taming" society, of getting respect.
Is it something in American education or just a national characteristic? Is it copy-cat thing, "get-your-defence-in-first" mentailty, or what?
You could not pay me to emmigrate to America, it's no El Salvador but . . .
Quote from: Gloucester on January 15, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
... it's no El Salvador but . . .
:sad sigh: I hear you. We are a violent bunch...sad to say. :(
I actually hurled one of these
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Dedge last night. :shifty:
I feel bad because I did that and because I didn't get banned, and on top of that he said I was gonna go to heaven. :sad sigh:
Sorry to hear that, sounds awful, like one of those stories on the Pantsuit Nation Facebook group. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that more than half the white women voted for Drumpf. They really just hated Hillary so much that they would vote for the big orange oaf? My boss (female) has a brother who voted Trump, as did his wife, and her theory was that most of these women are married to alpha males who are pro Trump and just go along with what they say.
Gloucester, not everywhere in the US is like that. I'm in the northeast and only know one gun owner, a cousin I barely ever see, and it is nowhere near as dangerous as you may have seen. But my wife and her family were just as worried when she was moving here specifically because of what they show in TV.
Philosoraptor, that sucks that you had that scary experience. I might've peed my pants.... I tend to be a scaredy cat when I'm alone at night, faced with a rowdy group of drinking men. Group mentality and all....people get pretty stupid.
I hope that our country continues on its trend of ever-increasing acceptance of diversity and gender sensitivity. But there will always be people who act like cavemen. No matter who the president is, no matter what era we live in. I just share your hope that having DT as our leader doesn't encourage those with a predisposition to meanness or idiocy to let it all hang out.
It seems like it's a tough fight to get our society to where it should be, where everyone can feel relatively safe walking about.
What also scares me is that crime rates increase when there are more poor and unemployed. Which is what is going to happen once the Trump administration gets into full swing. They will baby corporations and the wealthy even more at the expense of everyone else. And that includes the people that were duped into voting for him.
I wish I could rely on Trump's incompetence, that he will be a lame duck president, but I doubt that people like the Koch Bros. will let such a malleable president go to waste. They are already getting ready to get rid of net neutrality which is very bad for everyone except ISPs. They want to repeal the ACA without a replacement, not even a shittier one. Income inequality is higher than it was before the stock market failure that triggered the Great Depression int he 1930's. Small and medium businesses are failing more often, and corporations are getting closer to monopolies. Another huge crash, one worse than 2008 and probably closer to the Great Depression is coming soon if things keep going the way they are going.
Another thing that scares me, is that Trump clearly has been helped by the Russian government, and is has been reported that US spies have warned Israel not to share intelligence because it might get back to Russia (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/us-spies-warned-israel-not-share-intelligence-trump/), Well that's great because what does that mean about the information gathered by our government illegally invading our privacy? Is the US going to become like Fcebook, selling our private information to profit a failure of a business man? Well that makes me feel a lot less safe.
Gun culture depends largely on where you're located. I'm an hour or two from FB depending on traffic and most people here have guns. Generally just for hunting. BF and were half joking about shooting a possum that kept ripping out the fencing to dig under our house (you cannot relocate, it's illegal) which is also illegal but most likely our neighbors would come over with beer to see if we actually got the fucker. (Predictable spoiler: one of my dogs killed it)
So far I haven't seen much hate toward women. I feel more like things are going to stagnate there. Racism, on the other hand, is out of control. And people are definitely more comfortable talking about it. Even non-political radio shows have become almost unbearable - I usually listen to an R&B/rap station these days because they're the only ones not whining about those uppity minorities.
Quote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 03:11:24 PM
It seems like it's a tough fight to get our society to where it should be, where everyone can feel relatively safe walking about.
What also scares me is that crime rates increase when there are more poor and unemployed. Which is what is going to happen once the Trump administration gets into full swing. They will baby corporations and the wealthy even more at the expense of everyone else. And that includes the people that were duped into voting for him.
I wish I could rely on Trump's incompetence, that he will be a lame duck president, but I doubt that people like the Koch Bros. will let such a malleable president go to waste. They are already getting ready to get rid of net neutrality which is very bad for everyone except ISPs. They want to repeal the ACA without a replacement, not even a shittier one. Income inequality is higher than it was before the stock market failure that triggered the Great Depression int he 1930's. Small and medium businesses are failing more often, and corporations are getting closer to monopolies. Another huge crash, one worse than 2008 and probably closer to the Great Depression is coming soon if things keep going the way they are going.
Another thing that scares me, is that Trump clearly has been helped by the Russian government, and is has been reported that US spies have warned Israel not to share intelligence because it might get back to Russia (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/us-spies-warned-israel-not-share-intelligence-trump/), Well that's great because what does that mean about the information gathered by our government illegally invading our privacy? Is the US going to become like Fcebook, selling our private information to profit a failure of a business man? Well that makes me feel a lot less safe.
I swear I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'm curious: Now that Trump was elected, do you feel any differently about how you voted?
Quote from: philosoraptor on January 15, 2017, 05:52:12 PM
I can't afford pepper spray or self-defense classes. If it happens again and it goes much further south, I don't know what I could do. I just hate feeling so unsafe in the only city that has ever felt like home to me. I don't want to leave Atlantic City, but I'm feeling increasingly unsafe just living in America right now.
Just not being in a bad situation doesn't always work either. Unfortunately, there is no simple answer.
In a perfect world, any individual would be able to walk about pretty much everywhere without fear of being harassed, mugged or otherwise wronged. That is not the world in which we live.
People also tend to feel brave enough to do in groups that, which they would not more than consider doing alone - if that. Doesn't really help the issue, does it?
Human nature sucks... I guess you could take some solace in the fact that you are not an openly-homosexual openly-Jewish man in Uganda.
Quote from: Firebird on January 16, 2017, 04:16:16 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 03:11:24 PM
It seems like it's a tough fight to get our society to where it should be, where everyone can feel relatively safe walking about.
What also scares me is that crime rates increase when there are more poor and unemployed. Which is what is going to happen once the Trump administration gets into full swing. They will baby corporations and the wealthy even more at the expense of everyone else. And that includes the people that were duped into voting for him.
I wish I could rely on Trump's incompetence, that he will be a lame duck president, but I doubt that people like the Koch Bros. will let such a malleable president go to waste. They are already getting ready to get rid of net neutrality which is very bad for everyone except ISPs. They want to repeal the ACA without a replacement, not even a shittier one. Income inequality is higher than it was before the stock market failure that triggered the Great Depression int he 1930's. Small and medium businesses are failing more often, and corporations are getting closer to monopolies. Another huge crash, one worse than 2008 and probably closer to the Great Depression is coming soon if things keep going the way they are going.
Another thing that scares me, is that Trump clearly has been helped by the Russian government, and is has been reported that US spies have warned Israel not to share intelligence because it might get back to Russia (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/us-spies-warned-israel-not-share-intelligence-trump/), Well that's great because what does that mean about the information gathered by our government illegally invading our privacy? Is the US going to become like Fcebook, selling our private information to profit a failure of a business man? Well that makes me feel a lot less safe.
I swear I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I'm curious: Now that Trump was elected, do you feel any differently about how you voted?
No. Why would I?
Little doggies like to bark all day, but hardly ever leave the porch to bite. The little dogs grow big balls when in a pack. Remember, you can always use your vehicle as a weapon. Hit that fucker with it, then back up and park on his fucking chest! Then, get out, open you trunk, pull out your tire iron, and smash his skull until his tiny brain is smeared all over the blacktop. If that is not an option, remember, eyes, throat and groin. My philosophy, if you come at me, I assume you want to kill me, and if I am dying today, I am going to do my best to take your fucking ass with me.
Hope that helps.
Quote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 05:23:17 PM
No. Why would I?
You seem extremely concerned about what will happen with Trump, much more so than I remember before the election. And it seems like part of Clinton's issue was generating turnout and dispelling the notion that Trump was a much more serious threat than her, which we indirectly argued about.
Quote from: Firebird on January 16, 2017, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 05:23:17 PM
No. Why would I?
You seem extremely concerned about what will happen with Trump, much more so than I remember before the election. And it seems like part of Clinton's issue was generating turnout and dispelling the notion that Trump was a much more serious threat than her, which we indirectly argued about.
What do your inaccurate seemings and apparently not all encompassing memory have to do with what we're talking about?
And it appears that you didn't and still don't understand my side of that discussion.
I still think that Hillary would not have been the best choice, and would not have been great for America, but out of the people willing to put their hat in the ring for the presidency, she was the best option. As for Trump, most of what is scary, is the not just him, but all the other Republicans that got voted in. Trump on his own is worse than Hillary, but Trump with the group of unethical people working hard to hurt 99% of Americans for the sake of 1% of the country, now that's something to worry about. And soon, all three branches of the government are going to be made up of a majority of those willing to sell out most Americans.
But still, out of all that, what does that have to do with how I voted and how I feel about it? Just come out with it already.
I must say that I really enjoy watching you two, (Firebird and Davin) talk about things. :tellmemore:
If we had Pay-per-view-debates here, I would pay to watch.
You're both excellent. :popcorn:
Quote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
But still, out of all that, what does that have to do with how I voted and how I feel about it? Just come out with it already.
I was merely curious because of how heated things got with us before. I'm not trying to score any points, nor do I think we should act like we're on different sides here.
Quote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
What do your inaccurate seemings and apparently not all encompassing memory have to do with what we're talking about?
But apparently all I'm doing is touching a nerve, so I'll just back off. No need to direct energy away from the real problem, which we do agree on.
Sorry Mags, no fireworks today :)
Quote from: Firebird on January 16, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
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Sorry Mags, no fireworks today :)
WHAT!?
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FINE. :sad sigh:
Comments like "NATO is obsolete" create confusion and anxiety in our own country and with our allies. Trump thinks he can just start off with a preposterous position and then negotiate a better deal. I think he's going to find out that negotiating with nations is not the same as negotiating in real estate deals. Nations have armies, and some of them have nukes, and tremors in the status quo can lead to war and death. This is not about negotiating the price of a construction project or the interest rate on a loan. I think he's out of his league, but we'll see. He's shaking things to the foundation with his statements. I'm not sure he gets what is at stake. I think he's completely misjudged Putin, and that Putin is looking for an opportunity to cut him (and us) off at the knees. But again, we'll see.
Maybe we should let Putin cut him off at the knees and spare us.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 17, 2017, 12:14:40 AM
Comments like "NATO is obsolete" create confusion and anxiety in our own country and with our allies. Trump thinks he can just start of with a preposterous position and then negotiate a better deal. I think he's going to find out that negotiating with nations is not the same as negotiating in real estate deals. Nations have armies, and some of them have nukes, and tremors in the status quo can lead to war and death. This is not about negotiating the price of a construction project or the interest rate on a loan. I think he's out of his league, but we'll see. He's shaking things to the foundation with his statements. I'm not sure he gets what is at stake. I think he's completely misjudged Putin, and that Putin is looking for an opportunity to cut him (and us) off at the knees. But again, we'll see.
Russia partner with an authoritarian leader and then turn on him? Hmm...
Quote from: Magdalena on January 17, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
Quote from: Firebird on January 16, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
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Sorry Mags, no fireworks today :)
WHAT!?
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FINE.
:sad sigh:
Oh all right. Hey Davin!
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^^^
:lol:
Quote from: Firebird on January 16, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
But still, out of all that, what does that have to do with how I voted and how I feel about it? Just come out with it already.
I was merely curious because of how heated things got with us before. I'm not trying to score any points, nor do I think we should act like we're on different sides here.
I don't think it was heated at all. At least not from my side.
Quote from: FirebirdQuote from: Davin on January 16, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
What do your inaccurate seemings and apparently not all encompassing memory have to do with what we're talking about?
But apparently all I'm doing is touching a nerve, so I'll just back off. No need to direct energy away from the real problem, which we do agree on.
No, you're not touching a nerve, it just looks like you're after something and are going down the wrong trail. I was trying to help.
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 01:38:05 PM
it just looks like you're after something
I assure you I was not.
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Quote from: Firebird on January 17, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 01:38:05 PM
it just looks like you're after something
I assure you I was not.
So... you asked me a question, but you were not trying to get at something... why ask me a question in the first place then? That doesn't make sense. What was the purpose of your question? If was truly just curiosity, then wouldn't it be better for you get an accurate and clear account?
I don't mind either way, but I highly suspect that you've grossly misunderstood the whole thing. Especially if you think I'm heated or you were somehow able to strike one of my nerves, which is something that not a single person on the internet has been able to do over the last 30+ years (since I was a wee lad on dial up). I mean, I would welcome the new experience if it could happen, but I doubt you're capable of it.
Mags! Come back! It's a debate about not debating!
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
If was truly just curiosity, then wouldn't it be better for you get an accurate and clear account?
No, not at this point.
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
Especially if you think I'm heated or you were somehow able to strike one of my nerves, which is something that not a single person on the internet has been able to do over the last 30+ years (since I was a wee lad on dial up).
Ok, if you say so.
Quote from: Firebird on January 17, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
If was truly just curiosity, then wouldn't it be better for you get an accurate and clear account?
No, not at this point.
What is wrong with this point? I have no issues with being open and honest.
Quote from: FirebirdQuote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
Especially if you think I'm heated or you were somehow able to strike one of my nerves, which is something that not a single person on the internet has been able to do over the last 30+ years (since I was a wee lad on dial up).
Ok, if you say so.
Well, what makes you think that you have stuck a nerve? That I'm confused by your behavior? That I want to clarify whatever it is that you really want to know? That unlike what you have done to me, I have not attacked you personally? I am curious as to what you are basing your claim on. I don't mind your being wrong, but I would still like to know.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on January 17, 2017, 05:45:42 PM
Mags! Come back! It's a debate about not debating!
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This is so much better than
Bob's Evidence For God.
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 07:09:11 PM
Quote from: Firebird on January 17, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
If was truly just curiosity, then wouldn't it be better for you get an accurate and clear account?
No, not at this point.
What is wrong with this point? I have no issues with being open and honest.
Because I don't think we're capable of having a meaningful conversation.
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 07:09:11 PM
Quote from: FirebirdQuote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
Especially if you think I'm heated or you were somehow able to strike one of my nerves, which is something that not a single person on the internet has been able to do over the last 30+ years (since I was a wee lad on dial up).
Ok, if you say so.
Well, what makes you think that you have stuck a nerve? That I'm confused by your behavior? That I want to clarify whatever it is that you really want to know? That unlike what you have done to me, I have not attacked you personally? I am curious as to what you are basing your claim on. I don't mind your being wrong, but I would still like to know.
Why do you care? My opinion is meaningless to you, isn't it? :)
Quote from: Firebird on January 17, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
Because I don't think we're capable of having a meaningful conversation.
I am capable of it. Why aren't you?
Quote from: FirebirdQuote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 07:09:11 PMWell, what makes you think that you have stuck a nerve? That I'm confused by your behavior? That I want to clarify whatever it is that you really want to know? That unlike what you have done to me, I have not attacked you personally? I am curious as to what you are basing your claim on. I don't mind your being wrong, but I would still like to know.
Why do you care?
I'm not sure that caring has much to do with it, it would be more accurate to say that I am curious. You know, like I already said.
Quote from: FirebirdMy opinion is meaningless to you, isn't it? :)
Your opinion might be meaningless to me, I won't know until you express it. I do however find all apologies to me to be meaningless, if that is what you're trying to refer to.
Why are you avoiding my questions? It should really just be a simple thing to answer them so that we can move on. I answered all of your questions.
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Firebird on January 17, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
Because I don't think we're capable of having a meaningful conversation.
I am capable of it. Why aren't you?
:rofl:
Since I'm such a nice guy, despite my "inability to have a meaningful conversation", I'll help you out:
Quote from: DavinWhat do your inaccurate seemings and apparently not all encompassing memory have to do with what we're talking about?
See, normally when someone says something that obnoxious, it's assumed that the other person touched a nerve. Also, that actually is a personal attack against me, contrary to your claim that you've done no such thing. I really don't care, I'm just pointing that out because you apparently don't realize that and I thought it was only fair to let you know. And maybe I didn't touch a nerve and you just talk that way in general. I'd consider that a problem if you were a friend, family member, child, etc, but hey, to each their own. If it works for you, then good for you.
There, your question is answered. And I'm done responding to this silly, off-topic thread.
Firebird is done responding...
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Tomorrow, round 2:
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Gentlemen? Yes? No?
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^^^^^^ Is this HAF family pissing contest in any way related to the latest news about the golden shower?
Quote from: Icarus on January 18, 2017, 01:49:43 AM
^^^^^^ Is this HAF family pissing contest in any way related to the latest news about the golden shower?
What is the latest news on that?
Quote from: Firebird on January 17, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: Davin on January 17, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Firebird on January 17, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
Because I don't think we're capable of having a meaningful conversation.
I am capable of it. Why aren't you?
:rofl:
Since I'm such a nice guy, despite my "inability to have a meaningful conversation", I'll help you out:
Quote from: DavinWhat do your inaccurate seemings and apparently not all encompassing memory have to do with what we're talking about?
See, normally when someone says something that obnoxious, it's assumed that the other person touched a nerve.
You say it's obnoxious, I don't find it any more obnoxious than what you said. I'd put both our statements under just statements, I wouldn't categorize them as obnoxious,but it's fine if you do.
What I know, is that what you said seemed to you is wrong, and you would see that it was wrong if you listened then to what I actually said.
My suspicions, are that you do not know how I voted and wanted to try to poke at what you think might have been a sore spot. I think that you think that I voted for a third party and that I must now feel sorry about it now that Trump is president and I am obviously anti-Trump. I don't fault you for not knowing everything, I sure as shit do not know everything, but I already said that I wouldn't be voting for a third party (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=14730.msg339986#msg339986). So what kind of nerve do you think that you have struck? Do you think I regret voting for Hillary? Do you think I want to change my vote to someone else? I assure you that I thought my votes through very thoroughly.
Quote from: FirebirdAlso, that actually is a personal attack against me, contrary to your claim that you've done no such thing. I really don't care, I'm just pointing that out because you apparently don't realize that and I thought it was only fair to let you know.
That is not an attack on you personally. I responded directly to what you said. You claimed that things seemed a certain way to you, a way that is demonstrably false (if you take a look at what I wrote). I was directly addressing your statement, not you personally. You are not your statements. And no one's memory is all encompassing, I was just trying to let you know that what you remember, isn't the whole picture. Again, I was directly addressing your statement, you mentioned what you remember, and I directly addressed that statement. Now compare that to what you said. Statements do not have nerves, which means that you directly addressed me, and not what I said.
Quote from: FirebirdAnd maybe I didn't touch a nerve and you just talk that way in general. I'd consider that a problem if you were a friend, family member, child, etc, but hey, to each their own. If it works for you, then good for you.
I tend to talk to people similar to how they talk to me. It amazes me that there are people who talk to other people in ways that they personally do not like to be talked to. But I feel that if they talk to other people in a certain way, then they have no rational reason not be fine when treated the same way.
Quote from: FirebirdThere, your question is answered. And I'm done responding to this silly, off-topic thread.
That didn't answer my question, read the question again. I mean, it's great that you seemed to have attempted to answer one of my many questions, but it doesn't really matter if you don't actually answer it.
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It looks as if Firebird is actually done responding...
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 04:56:26 PM
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It looks as if Firebird is actually done responding...
He probably won't. I don't think he was really interested in a discussion since he barely addressed what I said and rarely responded to my questions.
I don't know, Davin...
Firebird is very persistent.
Maybe he's just busy, right now. :notsure:
Let's give him a few more seconds... :grin:
OK. Unfortunately, time's up. :(
If Firebird comes back, according to the HAF/FIGHT Continuation Rule 114XYZ - It will go to, Sudden Death!
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Enough.
This thread was started by Philosorptor to discuss a subject very dear to her. Let's keep on topic please.
Thank you.
The Asmo missed something. :(
...Did He miss something? He did, didn't He? :(
Quote from: Asmodean on January 18, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
The Asmo missed something. :(
...Did He miss something? He did, didn't He? :(
Not yet, but it was heading that way.
Tank, please ban me for one month, or longer.
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Tank, please ban me for one month, or longer.
:mb lol: No. :grin:
Quote from: Tank on January 18, 2017, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on January 18, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
The Asmo missed something. :(
...Did He miss something? He did, didn't He? :(
Not yet, but it was heading that way.
Oh... Yes, well. Split off the derail?
Quote from: Tank on January 18, 2017, 08:55:32 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Tank, please ban me for one month, or longer.
:mb lol: No. :grin:
See? Tanks answer prayers too.
...With a "NO! >:("
Quote from: Asmodean on January 18, 2017, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: Tank on January 18, 2017, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on January 18, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
The Asmo missed something. :(
...Did He miss something? He did, didn't He? :(
Not yet, but it was heading that way.
Oh... Yes, well. Split off the derail?
Split off a derail instead just coming out and trying to stop a discussion? When has that ever happened before? /s :lol:
Quote from: Firebird on January 18, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Tank, please ban me for one month, or longer.
Why??
Because fun is not allowed in this place.
It's obvious to you, Davin and me that we're just having fun. Tank said,
"Not yet, but it was heading that way."
It NEVER does, it never has and it never will, that's why it's so funny, but he can't see that.
I'm not a happy camper, right now. >:(
Tank, if you won't ban me for this, please ban me for doing this to
Dredge:
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You must be fair with EVERYONE, not just your favorite ones. >:(
SO BAN ME! >:(
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: Firebird on January 18, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Tank, please ban me for one month, or longer.
Why??
Because fun is not allowed in this place.
It's obvious to you, Davin and me that we're just having fun. Tank said,
"Not yet, but it was heading that way."
It NEVER does, it never has and it never will, that's why it's so funny, but he can't see that.
I'm not a happy camper, right now. >:(
Tank, if you won't ban me for this, please ban me for doing this to Dredge:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3RsRSN8jpfNJu/giphy.gif)
You must be fair with EVERYONE, not just your favorite ones. >:(
SO BAN ME! >:(
MAGDALENA!(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ftk6wBkT.gif&hash=6ed90a5721b05806351584670d81d1ef23846ade)
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Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: Firebird on January 18, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Tank, please ban me for one month, or longer.
Why??
Because fun is not allowed in this place.
It's obvious to you, Davin and me that we're just having fun. Tank said,
"Not yet, but it was heading that way."
It NEVER does, it never has and it never will, that's why it's so funny, but he can't see that.
I'm not a happy camper, right now. >:(
Tank, if you won't ban me for this, please ban me for doing this to Dredge:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3RsRSN8jpfNJu/giphy.gif)
You must be fair with EVERYONE, not just your favorite ones. >:(
SO BAN ME! >:(
Eh, I wasn't having much fun by the end. Don't fall on your sword for me.
Philosoraptor, my sincere apologies on derailing your story.
Quote from: Father Bruno on January 18, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
MAGDALENA!
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I apologize to everyone. I am simply menstruating. I will take some Pamprin Maximum Strength Multi-Symptom Menstrual Pain Relief medicine and go to my room for a month.
Quote from: Firebird on January 18, 2017, 09:48:36 PM
Eh, I wasn't having much fun by the end. Don't fall on your sword for me.
I know, that's why we talked via PM, and we stopped.
:secrets1: Salvadoreños, we don't know about swords, but we do know about machetes.
Quote from: Magdalena on January 18, 2017, 09:52:30 PM
I apologize to everyone. I am simply menstruating. I will take some Pamprin Maximum Strength Multi-Symptom Menstrual Pain Relief medicine and go to my room for a month.
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Back to the OP. I must also confess to feeling "less safe", but it's more of a vague sense of "WTF is going on?!" So it's hard to define. I try to just keep my nose to the grindstone, collect my pay, and enjoy my free time. Every now and then I look for mushroom clouds.
Trump's own Education Secretary admits that his "grabbing" video describes sexual assault.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/betsy-devos-donald-trump-sexual-assault/index.html
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 19, 2017, 12:39:37 AM
Back to the OP. I must also confess to feeling "less safe", but it's more of a vague sense of "WTF is going on?!" So it's hard to define. I try to just keep my nose to the grindstone, collect my pay, and enjoy my free time. Every now and then I look for mushroom clouds.
Yeah I don't even want to associate with politics anymore. I keep my nose out of it.
My father-in-law flies in from Turkey on Friday to see his granddaughter for the first time, the day Trump is inaugurated. I'm hoping he won't be prevented from visiting again. That's the kind of thing I'm afraid of. That and climate change causing the world to go to hell in firechicklet's lifetime.
Quote from: Firebird on January 19, 2017, 02:04:58 AM
My father-in-law flies in from Turkey on Friday to see his granddaughter for the first time, the day Trump is inaugurated. I'm hoping he won't be prevented from visiting again. That's the kind of thing I'm afraid of. That and climate change causing the world to go to hell in firechicklet's lifetime.
The total Muslim ban is not going to happen. Hardly anyone in the GOP is completely for that. Besides, Turkey is our ally and part of NATO. I realize Trump thinks NATO is obsolete, but that's not likely to play well with the GOP. Most of them think Russia is bad, and Turkey is a key component in both the Russia and the Middle East situation. We don't want to piss off Turkey, so I think your father-in-law is safe for now.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 19, 2017, 12:43:13 AM
Trump's own Education Secretary admits that his "grabbing" video describes sexual assault.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/betsy-devos-donald-trump-sexual-assault/index.html
That story was not particularly reassuring. In fact, it only presents another in a long list of reasons why DeVos is the wrong person for the job. She fits pretty well into Dingell's paradigm (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=14128.msg344531#msg344531).
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 19, 2017, 02:45:03 AM
Quote from: Firebird on January 19, 2017, 02:04:58 AM
My father-in-law flies in from Turkey on Friday to see his granddaughter for the first time, the day Trump is inaugurated. I'm hoping he won't be prevented from visiting again. That's the kind of thing I'm afraid of. That and climate change causing the world to go to hell in firechicklet's lifetime.
The total Muslim ban is not going to happen. Hardly anyone in the GOP is completely for that. Besides, Turkey is our ally and part of NATO. I realize Trump thinks NATO is obsolete, but that's not likely to play well with the GOP. Most of them think Russia is bad, and Turkey is a key component in both the Russia and the Middle East situation. We don't want to piss off Turkey, so I think your father-in-law is safe for now.
I don't think it will either ultimately, but we've also talked about having them possibly move here if the situation in Turkey gets really bad, and that could definitely get affected. And they have to renew their tourist visas soon either way.
Turkey's part of NATO now, but I wonder how long that's going to last at this point.
It's going to be great when the majority of all three branches of the government are working against most Americans. /s
One of my hopes is that now that they will have the majority in all three, that Republicans in congress and the house will no longer feel the need to band together so tightly.