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Started by LightLim, February 19, 2018, 01:24:03 AM

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LightLim

Quote from: Recusant on February 21, 2018, 03:11:53 AM
Hello and welcome to HAF, LightLim. Pardon my curiosity, but is the "Lim" part of your username short for "liminal" or "limit" or something else entirely?

As for your question, I agree with Tank's answer. Might as well turn it around: what is your understanding of spirituality?

I hope that you enjoy your time reading and posting here.  :spagwelcome:

Thanks everyone for the warm greetings.  :). Hehe, such fun speculations! Lim is simply my last name.

On spirituality, I'd say every being who searches for answers to who they are and why they're here are spiritual. What say you all?


Quote from: hermes2015 on February 19, 2018, 04:09:35 AM
Hi LightLim. Always good get new new blood at HAF. Are you a scientist as well?

Regarding spirituality, you will not find too much of it here; what you will find is plenty of Gemütlichkeit.

Aren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?

Dave

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QuoteAren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?

Hmm, questioning is good, LightLim, but are not testing, and proving, for "reality" also required. The answers many find are so often based on single events or mistaken or misunderstood evidence.

Then we have to qualify "reality" as something that will be universaly and objectively experienced/perceived.
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.
Passed Monday 10th Dec 2018 age 74

hermes2015

Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AM
Aren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?

I meant whether you were working as a professional scientist.
"Eventually everything connects - people, ideas, objects. The quality of the connections is the key to quality per se."
― Charles Eames

Magdalena

Quote from: hermes2015 on March 03, 2018, 07:34:54 AM
Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AM
Aren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?

I meant whether you were working as a professional scientist.
This is funny.  :devil2:

"I've had several "spiritual" or numinous experiences over the years, but never felt that they were the product of anything but the workings of my own mind in reaction to the universe." ~Recusant

Tank

Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AM
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Aren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?
No. Scientists are specialists trained in one or more scientific disciplines with appropriate qualifications. Laymen can be curious and in limited cases just as effective as trained scientists. Please don't degrade professionals.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Recusant

Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AMOn spirituality, I'd say every being who searches for answers to who they are and why they're here are spiritual. What say you all?

Speaking only for myself, I'd say what you described is curiosity. Spirituality, by common defintion, is concerned with the spirit or soul (incorporeal things) as opposed to material or physical things.


Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AMAren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?

Scientists, professional or amateur, approach their search for knowledge in a specific methodical way. I heartily endorse the idea of asking questions and exploring and learning but that isn't necessarily science, nor is everyone who asks, explores, and learns a scientist, in my opinion.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


LightLim

Quote from: Tank on March 03, 2018, 08:15:11 AM
Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AM
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Aren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?
No. Scientists are specialists trained in one or more scientific disciplines with appropriate qualifications. Laymen can be curious and in limited cases just as effective as trained scientists. Please don't degrade professionals.

I meant no offense to professionals as I respect scientists very much! By profession, I'm a pharmacist.

LightLim

Quote from: Recusant on March 03, 2018, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AMOn spirituality, I'd say every being who searches for answers to who they are and why they're here are spiritual. What say you all?

Speaking only for myself, I'd say what you described is curiosity. Spirituality, by common defintion, is concerned with the spirit or soul (incorporeal things) as opposed to material or physical things.


Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AMAren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?

Scientists, professional or amateur, approach their search for knowledge in a specific methodical way. I heartily endorse the idea of asking questions and exploring and learning but that isn't necessarily science, nor is everyone who asks, explores, and learns a scientist, in my opinion.


Recusant, how is human nature categorized? Is it physical?

Tank

Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 07:09:49 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 03, 2018, 08:15:11 AM
Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AM
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Aren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?
No. Scientists are specialists trained in one or more scientific disciplines with appropriate qualifications. Laymen can be curious and in limited cases just as effective as trained scientists. Please don't degrade professionals.

I meant no offense to professionals as I respect scientists very much! By profession, I'm a pharmacist.
Definitly a science based discipline.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Recusant

Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 07:12:58 PMRecusant, how is human nature categorized? Is it physical?

I would say that human nature is a manifestation of the physical processes that occur within human bodies and that it's mostly centered in human brains. That it has no existence independent of the physical world, as far as can be reliably determined.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Biggus Dickus

Quote from: LightLim on February 19, 2018, 01:24:03 AM
Hi all,

I'm excited to chat about Atheist living, the Universe, spirituality, and whatnot. I'd like to know what your understanding of spirituality is. Discuss!

P.S. Rift Zone is my friend. I'm here on his referral. Hey, RZ!

Hello and Welcome LightLim,

I practice a lot of yoga, and spirituality is one of those things that is brought up frequently is some classes...as an atheist my idea of spirituality obviously differs rather significantly from the other attendees of my classes, however. It rarely bothers me when it is mentioned as it is such a vague and abstract term, in fact when most folks try to define spirituality they end up using other equally vague and abstract words.

Here's an example, and I bolded the words or phrases that are equally vague.

spiritual

adjective
Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not material; supernatural: spiritual power.
Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul: spiritual guidance; spiritual growth.
Not concerned with material or worldly things: led a spiritual life.
Of or belonging to a religion; sacred: spiritual practices; spiritual music.

Basically spirituality means nothing. It one of those generic feel good words, sort of like the way the political leaders in the US send "Thoughts and Prayers" to the victims of mass shootings.

Anyway that's my thought on it.

Once again, welcome:)
"Some people just need a high-five. In the face. With a chair."

hermes2015

Quote from: Recusant on March 03, 2018, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AMOn spirituality, I'd say every being who searches for answers to who they are and why they're here are spiritual. What say you all?

Speaking only for myself, I'd say what you described is curiosity. Spirituality, by common defintion, is concerned with the spirit or soul (incorporeal things) as opposed to material or physical things.


Quote from: LightLim on March 03, 2018, 05:28:25 AMAren't we all scientist if we're asking questions and exploring and learning about the world and Universe around us?

Scientists, professional or amateur, approach their search for knowledge in a specific methodical way. I heartily endorse the idea of asking questions and exploring and learning but that isn't necessarily science, nor is everyone who asks, explores, and learns a scientist, in my opinion.

As usual, you've hit the nail on the head, Recusant. The Scientific Method is probably one of our greatest, if not the greatest, achievement. It's the difference between science and religion.
"Eventually everything connects - people, ideas, objects. The quality of the connections is the key to quality per se."
― Charles Eames

LightLim

Quote from: Papasito Bruno on March 04, 2018, 03:54:37 AM
Quote from: LightLim on February 19, 2018, 01:24:03 AM
Hi all,

I'm excited to chat about Atheist living, the Universe, spirituality, and whatnot. I'd like to know what your understanding of spirituality is. Discuss!

P.S. Rift Zone is my friend. I'm here on his referral. Hey, RZ!

Hello and Welcome LightLim,

I practice a lot of yoga, and spirituality is one of those things that is brought up frequently is some classes...as an atheist my idea of spirituality obviously differs rather significantly from the other attendees of my classes, however. It rarely bothers me when it is mentioned as it is such a vague and abstract term, in fact when most folks try to define spirituality they end up using other equally vague and abstract words.

Here's an example, and I bolded the words or phrases that are equally vague.

spiritual

adjective
Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not material; supernatural: spiritual power.
Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul: spiritual guidance; spiritual growth.
Not concerned with material or worldly things: led a spiritual life.
Of or belonging to a religion; sacred: spiritual practices; spiritual music.

Basically spirituality means nothing. It one of those generic feel good words, sort of like the way the political leaders in the US send "Thoughts and Prayers" to the victims of mass shootings.

Anyway that's my thought on it.

Once again, welcome:)

Haha, spiritual can be a loaded word, can't it?

What do you make of the compulsion to add context to our identity?

Essie Mae

The last time I thought about the spirit was when I took Old Git's advice to drink a warm whiskey 🥃 to reduce cold symptoms.
Hell is empty and all the devils are here. Wm Shakespeare


Biggus Dickus

Quote from: LightLim on March 07, 2018, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: Papasito Bruno on March 04, 2018, 03:54:37 AM
Quote from: LightLim on February 19, 2018, 01:24:03 AM
Hi all,

I'm excited to chat about Atheist living, the Universe, spirituality, and whatnot. I'd like to know what your understanding of spirituality is. Discuss!

P.S. Rift Zone is my friend. I'm here on his referral. Hey, RZ!

Hello and Welcome LightLim,

I practice a lot of yoga, and spirituality is one of those things that is brought up frequently is some classes...as an atheist my idea of spirituality obviously differs rather significantly from the other attendees of my classes, however. It rarely bothers me when it is mentioned as it is such a vague and abstract term, in fact when most folks try to define spirituality they end up using other equally vague and abstract words.

Here's an example, and I bolded the words or phrases that are equally vague.

spiritual

adjective
Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not material; supernatural: spiritual power.
Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul: spiritual guidance; spiritual growth.
Not concerned with material or worldly things: led a spiritual life.
Of or belonging to a religion; sacred: spiritual practices; spiritual music.

Basically spirituality means nothing. It one of those generic feel good words, sort of like the way the political leaders in the US send "Thoughts and Prayers" to the victims of mass shootings.

Anyway that's my thought on it.

Once again, welcome:)

Haha, spiritual can be a loaded word, can't it?

What do you make of the compulsion to add context to our identity?

Identity = Conscious.

I think it mirrors the compulsion to add a god or gods to our lives so as to fill the voids of the unexplained.
"Some people just need a high-five. In the face. With a chair."