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Hi everybody from Holubice,
I'm a Christian not labelled in catholic, protestant or whatever: I define myself a disciple of Jesus. I'm quite conscious of issues and arguments of atheism and I've been and atheist myself since some years ago. After an event related to Near Death Experiences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience) I've completely diverted my mind. The main reason I'm here is I'm conscious atheism is a great and dengerous fault and I'm pretty sure recent frequent earthquakes, tsunami, turmoil and revolutions are the beginning of the end. After the N.D.E. I had a great and unconditional faith, and I have such a great control of scriptures (which I have never studied) that also priests and scholars are astonished while speaking to me.
I know this kind of introduction may sparkle some animosity and scepticism, but that's the way it is. I'm Italian and I'm typing from Italy, so I apologize in advance for my mistakes.

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Quote from: "Holubice"I'm pretty sure recent frequent earthquakes, tsunami, turmoil and revolutions are the beginning of the end.

This end is taking an awfully long time.
We've been experiencing the beginning of the end for millennia so far.
How long will the middle part of the end take, another 20,000 years?
And then there's the end of the end, that'll probably be drawn out too.
Really these gods are a tease, TV producers could learn a thing or two.

Quote from: "Holubice"priests and scholars are astonished while speaking to me.

That's not surprising, I'm astonished just reading your post.

Welcome...........

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"This end is taking an awfully long time.
We've been experiencing the beginning of the end for millennia so far.
How long will the middle part of the end take, another 20,000 years?
And then there's the end of the end, that'll probably be drawn out too.
Really these gods are a tease, TV producers could learn a thing or two.

This probably is not the section to discuss about this issues. I'm waiting to post 50 posts so I will be able to create a discussion in the proper section. Till now I say you that till the ass is shaking is not yours it's quite easy to stay calm and aplomb.

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Please note that also yesterday morning the Indonesia  had a earthquake that provoke a mini tsunami:

ABC: 6.7 quake strikes off Indonesia (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/04/3181137.htm)  
Indonesia Earthquake: Strong Java Quake Prompts Tsunami Warning (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/03/indonesia-earthquake-2011_n_844180.html)

These events are getting more and more frequent. It's at least odd and unusual. If the California State (as it says for ages) move away from United States of 10-15 metres, probably my alerts will be taken more in consideration. I suppose.

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I'm sure I can see a Jesus face in that swirl of water.
But don't you atheists try to see it because you won't.
It's only meant for us believers.
Praise the holy smiter.

How many posts do you need before you can legitimately hand out welcomes? Feels a bit unsound - I'm barely through the door myself - so instead I'll just say HELLO fellow traveller! Nice to see some representation from the Christian party.

Quote from: "Holubice"I'm quite conscious of issues and arguments of atheism and I've been and atheist myself since some years ago.

This isn't a distrusting question. I believe you. But I'm curious to know what kind of unbeliever you were. Back in your atheist days, how would you have answered your own opening post? What problems would you have seen in it, if any?

Quote from: "Melmoth"This isn't a distrusting question. I believe you. But I'm curious to know what kind of unbeliever you were (1). Back in your atheist days, how would you have answered your own opening post (2)? What problems would you have seen in it, if any?

• I was a comfortable atheist: I realized (wrongly) God didn't exist and I never asked myself any question since 11 years old for, almost, the rest of my life.
• You can discover your life just living it... Ask anything you want. That's the reason why I'm here.

Cool. Not sure that answers either question but OK.

By the way - sincerely - I hope you enjoy your time here. I've found it quite hospitable so far. You probably won't, given that you're superstitious with some fairly dated rhetoric, which, despite your good manners, apparently makes you fair game for pre-emptive charicature and ridicule. But I shouldn't worry too much. I'll only ever stuff nice, sensible words into your mouth. Witness:

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Why yes, Holubice, that certainly does look bothersome for the indigenous population of that area. Your appeal to human kindness, overriding any creed or lack thereof, is commendable, and thank you for the extensive list of charities which you also explicitly provided.

Have fun.

Welcome, and thank you for not going further into discussions about religion yet.

To all others who decide to post welcomes here in response to our new member: keep it to welcome. This is not the place to denigrate, discuss, or argue Holubice's philosophy/religion. Stick to saying hello.

Welcome!

Hello!

Hello Holubice

You may want to check the spelling of your World View in your profile.

May I suggest you read the rules regarding preaching as you could well fall foul of them if you're not careful.

Welcome to HAF.

Regards
Chris

Quote from: "Tank"Hello Holubice. You may want to check the spelling of your World View in your profile. May I suggest you read the rules regarding preaching as you could well fall foul of them if you're not careful. Welcome to HAF. Regards Chris

A Christian who comes here without preaching is a no sense. A Christian who doesn't preach in anyway and anywhere is a no sense. You have to write in your rules:

"Christians please don't enter here"

This is a rule which has sense.

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Quote from: "Tank"Hello Holubice. You may want to check the spelling of your World View in your profile. May I suggest you read the rules regarding preaching as you could well fall foul of them if you're not careful. Welcome to HAF. Regards Chris

A Christian who comes here without preaching is a no sense. A Christian who doesn't preach in anyway and anywhere is a no sense. You have to write in your rules:

"Christians please don't enter here"

This is a rule which has sense.

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Sorry but intelligent Christians have been able to discuss their position here without preaching at people...if that's not possible for you then, well, take care.

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Quote from: "Tank"Hello Holubice. You may want to check the spelling of your World View in your profile. May I suggest you read the rules regarding preaching as you could well fall foul of them if you're not careful. Welcome to HAF. Regards Chris

A Christian who comes here without preaching is a no sense. A Christian who doesn't preach in anyway and anywhere is a no sense. You have to write in your rules:

"Christians please don't enter here"

This is a rule which has sense.

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I see you didn't actually bother to read my post fully. I've underlined the bit that you missed. Although if you carry on the way you are I doubt you'll get three more posts in before you're banned.

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Quote from: "Holubice"A Christian who comes here without preaching is a no sense. A Christian who doesn't preach in anyway and anywhere is a no sense. You have to write in your rules:
"Christians please don't enter here"
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Sorry but intelligent Christians have been able to discuss their position here without preaching at people...if that's not possible for you then, well, take care.

In my point of view, and in the point of view of Jesus, those persons simply were not Christians followers at all, as Jesus ordered to preach everywhere to anybody, above all to be a doctor between ill persons... I will act in a well mannered way. But remember: those ones get appreciations from the most they are always bad prophet in this Earth. The words of God always obtain disregard from men, as they order to act in a way most of the men dislike. This is the real reason why so many people don't realize the meaning in the sacred writings. I will stay in this forum till you will permit me. And till your chair lean in your floor.

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Quote from: "Tank"I see you didn't actually bother to read my post fully. I've underlined the bit that you missed. Although if you carry on the way you are I doubt you'll get three more posts in before you're banned.

That will be the worst mistake you could do in this life. And in the next one. Take a look to the news on next days. Especially news coming from the small island of Barein:

Guardian: Prelude to revolution (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/bahrain)
Al Jazeera: Fresh clashes in Bahrain protests (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201121911651720855.html)

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I will be an easy prophet: not a drop of oil will come from Persian Gulf in the next future.

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My intent is not to troll or to mess. But the content of my post are doomed to sparkle fire. I know in advance. But all I do is for your good.

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I think a new award, "The Tom, Bert, and William" is called for.

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I think a new award, "The Tom, Bert, and William" is called for.

Do not feed the trolls. Read my earlier message in this thread.

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Quote from: "Tank"I see you didn't actually bother to read my post fully. I've underlined the bit that you missed. Although if you carry on the way you are I doubt you'll get three more posts in before you're banned.

That will be the worst mistake you could do in this life. And in the next one. Take a look to the news on next days. Especially news coming from the small island of Barein:

Guardian: Prelude to revolution (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/bahrain)
Al Jazeera: Fresh clashes in Bahrain protests (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201121911651720855.html)

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I will be an easy prophet: not a drop of oil will come from Persian Gulf in the next future.

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My intent is not to troll or to mess. But the content of my post are doomed to sparkle fire. I know in advance. But all I do is for your good.

First warning for trolling. You have been asked nicely to read the forum rules. Now, either abide by the rules of the forum, or you will end up banned.

One final attempt to help  

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Disciple of Jesus not Disceple of Jesus

I know you are Italian and your English is way better that my Italian but...

Quote from: "Tank"One final attempt to help  ;)

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Quote from: "Tank"One final attempt to help  ;)

 

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Quote from: "Tank"One final attempt to help  ;)

 

That's very funny! And only a good man would admit the oopsie!

Got a nice chuckle from this.

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That's very funny! And only a good man would admit the oopsie!
Got a nice chuckle from this.

You had to note my introduction, here:

QuoteI know this kind of introduction may sparkle some animosity and scepticism, but that's the way it is. I'm Italian and I'm typing from Italy, so I apologise in advance for my mistakes.

And I'm pretty sure that, as many American, you are not able to speak any foreign language. Are you? Unfortunately Germany has lost his war , some years ago, else you had some efforts to learn foreign languages as anybody else do in all around the world. But I don't want to arise animosity, and I'm as scared as in hurry. Can I open a tread labelled: "Are these quakes and revolutions the beginning of the end?". And if yes, where.  

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Hello Holubice

I've been to Itally twice now, Rome, Florence, Milan, Venice. Loved the place especially the Pizza and the Trivi Fountain, magnifico!
I seemed to get told off by the women though, they would mutter in Itallian right in front of me, oh well.

My wife thought it was cute when she saw a small Italian boy talking on the train, he was waiving his hands in a very animated fashion. I get a feeling that Italians live life with a passion.

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That's very funny! And only a good man would admit the oopsie!
Got a nice chuckle from this.

You had to note my introduction, here:

QuoteI know this kind of introduction may sparkle some animosity and scepticism, but that's the way it is. I'm Italian and I'm typing from Italy, so I apologise in advance for my mistakes.

And I'm pretty sure that, as many American, you are not able to speak any foreign language. Are you? Unfortunately Germany has lost his war , some years ago, else you had some efforts to learn foreign languages as anybody else do in all around the world. But I don't want to arise animosity, and I'm as scared as in hurry. Can I open a tread labelled: "Are these quakes and revolutions the beginning of the end?". And if yes, where.  

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Holubice

It is patently obvious old bean that your reading comprehension is seriously flawed. I have pointed out a spelling mistake in your profile 3 times now and the comment above was not directed at you but me. I think you really, really do need to spend more time and make more effort not only reading what is written but attempting to understand it.

Regards
Chris

Quote from: "Holubice"Unfortunately Germany has lost his war

I'm keen to know, are you pro hollocaust?

Quote from: "Holubice"You had to note my introduction, here:

QuoteI know this kind of introduction may sparkle some animosity and scepticism, but that's the way it is. I'm Italian and I'm typing from Italy, so I apologise in advance for my mistakes.

And I'm pretty sure that, as many American, you are not able to speak any foreign language. Are you

First, you misunderstood my message. I got a laugh from Tank's mistake, not yours. I know that English is not your first language. Let's clear that up now.

And second, I speak German, Russian, Italian, and Spanish, in addition to English. German fluently, and the others I can converse enough to get along.

Quote from: "Holubice"Unfortunately Germany has lost his war , some years ago, else you had some efforts to learn foreign languages as anybody else do in all around the world. But I don't want to arise animosity, and I'm as scared as in hurry. Can I open a tread labelled: "Are these quakes and revolutions the beginning of the end?". And if yes, where.

Unfortunately? I hope this is a translation error and not Nazi sympathizing. It was a lame attempt to label all Americans as ignorant people. We're not a world power for no good reason, as some Europeans assume.

And last, no, you may not start a thread of any kind like the one you suggested.

Just a flash news:

NYT: Millions Without Power After Japan Aftershock (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/world/asia/09japan.html?_r=1&ref=global-home)

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"TOKYO â€" More than 900,000 households remained without electricity on Friday after the strongest aftershock to hit since the March 11 earthquake and tsunami in Japan rocked a wide section of the country’s northeast. The aftershock on Thursday night prompted a tsunami alert, raised fears of new strains on the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant and knocked out external power at three other nuclear facilities..."

Well I think that'll be your last post here.

Bye, bye!

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Quote from: "Holubice"Unfortunately Germany has lost his war , some years ago, else you had some efforts to learn foreign languages as anybody else do in all around the world. But I don't want to arise animosity, and I'm as scared as in hurry. Can I open a tread labelled: "Are these quakes and revolutions the beginning of the end?". And if yes, where.

Unfortunately? I hope this is a translation error and not Nazi sympathizing. It was a lame attempt to label all Americans as ignorant people. We're not a world power for no good reason, as some Europeans assume.

The only thing I know, it's Hitler in his 'Mein Kampf' book suggested to copy the Americans colonies in the way they committed a complete genocide in North America toward Native Red Skins and in the way they have been able to occult their crime. If you want I will find out for you the part of the book where he stress out your ability. You have not to say sorry to Red Skins. You have to load yourself into thousands of ships and to go back from where you came from.

Javol!?

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Quote from: "Holubice"Unfortunately Germany has lost his war , some years ago, else you had some efforts to learn foreign languages as anybody else do in all around the world. But I don't want to arise animosity, and I'm as scared as in hurry. Can I open a tread labelled: "Are these quakes and revolutions the beginning of the end?". And if yes, where.

Unfortunately? I hope this is a translation error and not Nazi sympathizing. It was a lame attempt to label all Americans as ignorant people. We're not a world power for no good reason, as some Europeans assume.

The only thing I know, it's Hitler in his 'Mein Kampf' book suggested to copy the Americans colonies in the way they committed a complete genocide in North America toward Native Red Skins and in the way they have been able to occult their crime. If you want I will find out for you the part of the book where he stress out your ability. You have not to say sorry to Red Skins. You have to load yourself into thousands of ships and to go back from where you came from.

Javol!?

So about 6% of the American population will be coming back to....

[spoiler:3j9sfxqo]Italy!!![/spoiler:3j9sfxqo]

Hello Holubice

I won't comment on the opinions you've expressed so far, other than to say one word.

WOW!!!

Welcome to HAF

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Quote from: "Holubice"Unfortunately Germany has lost his war , some years ago, else you had some efforts to learn foreign languages as anybody else do in all around the world. But I don't want to arise animosity, and I'm as scared as in hurry. Can I open a tread labelled: "Are these quakes and revolutions the beginning of the end?". And if yes, where.

Unfortunately? I hope this is a translation error and not Nazi sympathizing. It was a lame attempt to label all Americans as ignorant people. We're not a world power for no good reason, as some Europeans assume.

The only thing I know, it's Hitler in his 'Mein Kampf' book suggested to copy the Americans colonies in the way they committed a complete genocide in North America toward Native Red Skins and in the way they have been able to occult their crime. If you want I will find out for you the part of the book where he stress out your ability. You have not to say sorry to Red Skins. You have to load yourself into thousands of ships and to go back from where you came from.

Javol!?

Since you did not answer my question, and did not even address the point I made that no one was laughing at your English, but instead were laughing at the funny little error on Tank's part, I have to assume you are simply trolling. You are one step away from being banned from the forum. If you show that you can read, understand, and adhere to the forum rules, you'll be fine. The choice is yours.
Warning 2 issued for trolling.

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Quote from: "Holubice"A Christian who comes here without preaching is a no sense. A Christian who doesn't preach in anyway and anywhere is a no sense. You have to write in your rules:
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Sorry but intelligent Christians have been able to discuss their position here without preaching at people...if that's not possible for you then, well, take care.

In my point of view, and in the point of view of Jesus, those persons simply were not Christians followers at all, as Jesus ordered to preach everywhere to anybody, above all to be a doctor between ill persons... I will act in a well mannered way. But remember: those ones get appreciations from the most they are always bad prophet in this Earth. The words of God always obtain disregard from men, as they order to act in a way most of the men dislike. This is the real reason why so many people don't realize the meaning in the sacred writings. I will stay in this forum till you will permit me. And till your chair lean in your floor.

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No need to yell. I welcome you and your input here, it's always valuable to have counter viewpoints in a discussion. I am more interested in your near death experience. Can you describe it at all. What did you experience? Was there any physical sensation or was it all mental and emotional? What was it about this experience that got you to reconsider your spiritual perspective?

Don't want to troll-bait, so I'll just say "Hi!"
 

Hi...soon to be bye?

Quote from: "xSilverPhinx"Hi...soon to be bye?

Your avatar it's fanny. I have suggested it to my atheist friends in an italian forum. In the web site you have linked it it's plenty of really amusing pictures that, unfortunately, i can't yet add. Or I never could... I suppose I can't survive much longer here. From what I have seen till now...

Bye the way, have you seen what is going on in Saudi Arabia? Please click in Al Jazeera English and consider what it's going on.

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Quote from: "Whitney"Sorry but intelligent Christians have been able to discuss their position here without preaching at people...if that's not possible for you then, well, take care.

In my point of view, and in the point of view of Jesus, those persons simply were not Christians followers at all, as Jesus ordered to preach everywhere to anybody, above all to be a doctor between ill persons... I will act in a well mannered way. But remember: those ones get appreciations from the most they are always bad prophet in this Earth. The words of God always obtain disregard from men, as they order to act in a way most of the men dislike. This is the real reason why so many people don't realize the meaning in the sacred writings. I will stay in this forum till you will permit me. And till your chair lean in your floor.

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No need to yell. I welcome you and your input here, it's always valuable to have counter viewpoints in a discussion. I am more interested in your near death experience. Can you describe it at all. What did you experience? Was there any physical sensation or was it all mental and emotional? What was it about this experience that got you to reconsider your spiritual perspective?

I'm willing to explain which are the feellings during the N.D.E. but first, please read the brief description in the wiki link I added in my first post. It's quite difficult to describe it by words, but I will try...

Do you consider my contents rude and not welcome? Am I not polite?

Quote from: "Holubice"Do you consider my contents rude and not welcome? Am I not polite?

As you ask I will answer as honestly as I can.

Yes, I personally do find your posts a little bit rude.

How would you feel if I came to your church and urinated in the font? That is a little like what you have done by the way you have arrived here. We value debate and we value different world views but we don't value being told what we think is wrong any more than anybody does. For over 5,000 years now, since the Old Testament was written, if not before, people have used their beliefs to oppress others. It is only now and only in a limited number of places, that it has become safe for people who do not believe in God to be able to say so without fear of social banishment, judicial punishment or death. As such there are few places where non-believers can get together and discuss their non-belief with people of a like mind. Now I love talking to different people from all kinds of backgrounds and views. I am probably one of only a couple of atheists in my college class the rest are Muslims. But I get on with them just fine because we don't get into religious discussions. I would much rather get to know you as a person before I get lectured on why I'm going to hell or whatever.

You have already stated that to be a true Christian you must preach. Well that situation is going to get you banned. So why not just quit the preaching and get to know what atheists are really like? Treat this as an opportunity to learn for once, not to barge into somebodies front room and start shouting about why you're right and everybody else is wrong?

If you get banned from here, and you don't have to be, you will have missed out on membership of one of the most open, civil and balanced discussion forums there is, and that will be your loss.

Regards
Chris

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Quote from: "Holubice"Do you consider my contents rude and not welcome? Am I not polite?

As you ask I will answer as honestly as I can.

Yes, I personally do find your posts a little bit rude.

How would you feel if I came to your church and urinated in the font? That is a little like what you have done by the way you have arrived here. We value debate and we value different world views but we don't value being told what we think is wrong any more than anybody does. For over 5,000 years now, since the Old Testament was written, if not before, people have used their beliefs to oppress others. It is only now and only in a limited number of places, that it has become safe for people who do not believe in God to be able to say so without fear of social banishment, judicial punishment or death. As such there are few places where non-believers can get together and discuss their non-belief with people of a like mind. Now I love talking to different people from all kinds of backgrounds and views. I am probably one of only a couple of atheists in my college class the rest are Muslims. But I get on with them just fine because we don't get into religious discussions. I would much rather get to know you as a person before I get lectured on why I'm going to hell or whatever.

You have already stated that to be a true Christian you must preach. Well that situation is going to get you banned. So why not just quit the preaching and get to know what atheists are really like? Treat this as an opportunity to learn for once, not to barge into somebodies front room and start shouting about why you're right and everybody else is wrong?

If you get banned from here, and you don't have to be, you will have missed out on membership of one of the most open, civil and balanced discussion forums there is, and that will be your loss.

Regards
Chris

I had two alerts ban in a few posts. I don't consider the content of my argument offensive or rude. Have you read my first post? After the NDR I'm alerting as many people as I can to divert their mind towards religion. If your muslim colleugues are dangerose isn't my fault. Be hangry with them, not with me. I will not kill anybody as any true Christian will due. Do you live in a Muslim country?

Never forget I'm a former atheist and I'm genuinly upset for you.

Quote from: "Holubice"I had two alerts ban in a few posts. I don't consider the content of my argument offensive or rude. Have you read my first post? After the NDR I'm alerting as many people as I can to divert their mind towards religion. If your muslim colleugues are dangerose isn't my fault. Be hangry with them, not with me. I will not kill anybody as any true Christian will due. Do you live in a Muslim country?

Never forget I'm a former atheist and I'm genuinly upset for you.

Your attitude is preaching and uncivil. These are against the rules and ethos of THIS forum. If you can not adapt to the rules and ethos/culture of THIS forum you will end up suspended and/or banned, it's as simple as that. This place is not like other forums, that's why I like it. If you want to be aggressive, confrontational and adversarial then there are other forums out there and one you may suit is http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ (http://www.rationalskepticism.org/) which is more tolerant of the sort of posts you have made here.

I have read your first post. What you have been through is no basis upon which to start believing that the supernatural exists.

I think all the people in my class are basically good people and that includes the Muslims. I would consider one a good friend. He's a Bosnian Muslim. None of them are dangerous. Why should I be angry with them? They don't try and tell me what to think. So you can keep your anti-Muslim bigotry and prejudice to yourself. And I know you have an anti-Muslim and bigoted view to Muslims because I deliberately made no value judgement about Muslims in my previous post, yet you replied in a very negative fashion, thus revealing your prejudice. I suggest you go mix with some Muslims and you'll find that if your experience is like mine that the vast majority are just people trying to get on in life.

You really do not appear to pay attention to what is going on here do you? Look at my profile, it has a location in it; Northern England. I live in Leeds and go to college in Bradford which has a high Muslim population. There are good people there and bad people there. Just as there are good and bad people in Italy.

If you wish to remain a member here you will have to modify your style. You have no right to post here, none of us do. This site is run and funded by one person Whitney, she made the rules and she and the staff police them effectively. If you cannot or will not adapt your style to suit this place then you will shown the door. You have a choice to adapt or not, but you will have to face the consequences of your choice.

I don't require your pity or help thank you very much, if you wish to preach and patronise then don't do it to me please. The fact that you have changed your world view as a result of an intense emotional experience is no reason for me to change my world view.

Regards
Chris

Quote from: "Holubice"I don't consider the content of my argument offensive or rude.

It is not an issue of "offensive" or "rude", it is an issue of preaching which is specifically against the rules. You stated yourself that you intend to preach. This is the issue. I've only been here 2 days and I already get that.

Even if preaching was allowed here, Holubice's brand of preaching is hardly going to persuade anyone to 'see the light.' There may be people reading this thread who are floating voters, so to speak. Whatever he's trying to achieve here, Holubice will only succeed in pushing them into our camp. Those of us who are already firmly established in the atheist camp have nothing but contempt for his rantings and ravings so far. I doubt if he's impressed any theists here either.
I advise him, in all friendliness, to tone it down.
Pretend you never posted here before and start again with a clean slate. We're Happy Atheists so we'll forgive your previous behaviour.

Quote from: "Maria"Even if preaching was allowed here, Holubice's brand of preaching is hardly going to persuade anyone to 'see the light.' There may be people reading this thread who are floating voters, so to speak. Whatever he's trying to achieve here, Holubice will only succeed in pushing them into our camp. Those of us who are already firmly established in the atheist camp have nothing but contempt for his rantings and ravings so far. I doubt if he's impressed any theists here either.
I advice him, in all friendliness, to tone it down.
Pretend you never posted here before and start again with a clean slate. We're Happy Atheists so we'll forgive your previous behaviour.

Oh, I agree. And I actually did find him to be quite rude, but he's obviously not coming from a mind set where he's willing to see that.

How did I miss this?!

Quote from: "Cecilie"How did I miss this?!

You didn't have your contact lenses in?

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Quote from: "Cecilie"How did I miss this?!

You didn't have your contact lenses in?

I have glasses though.

Welcome Holubice

I like Italian Food. That is all.

Hope you enjoy your time here.

Quote from: "Holubice"Never forget I'm a former atheist and I'm genuinly upset for you.

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Quote from: "Tank"...If you wish to remain a member here you will have to modify your style. You have no right to post here, none of us do...

I inform you that I have added your user to my ignore list. So I will never read your post neither I will answer your questions.

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Quote from: "Holubice"So I will never read your post neither I will answer your questions.

The real question is, will you make it to 50 posts!
For some it is trivial but for you it seems a very, very long way away.

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Quote from: "Holubice"I don't consider the content of my argument offensive or rude.

It is not an issue of "offensive" or "rude", it is an issue of preaching which is specifically against the rules. You stated yourself that you intend to preach. This is the issue. I've only been here 2 days and I already get that.

So, let us have a look at rules in this forum:

"NO PREACHING: While everyone is welcome to discuss their views in a civil manner, this forum is not a podium for those that only wish to preach. This rule applies to atheists and theists alike. Preaching means stating your beliefs without providing evidence. If directly asked what you believe you may answer but it would then become against the rules if you were to then refuse to back up your views objectively when honestly challenged. This means that if you want to use your religious text to prove your deity, for instance, you will also need to be prepared to prove that your religious text is an objective source of evidence."

I want to discuss in the way your rules impose. Also proving that life on Earth without God is just a stupidity. From a mathematical point of view. I have read this text and I can act strictly in the way you impose to all users. Are there in this forum a mathematician, a physician and biologist? I would like to discuss also with persons with those skills.  

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Quote from: "Maria"...Pretend you never posted here before and start again with a clean slate. We're Happy Atheists so we'll forgive your previous behaviour.

So you are Happy. But are you also Friendly Atheists?    
So, so...
Do you know from know what it could come from my posts. Who knows the future. Just wait and see...

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Quote from: "hismikeness"Welcome Holubice. I like Italian Food. That is all. Hope you enjoy your time here.

Thanks a lot. I like Levi's 501...

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Quote from: "Holubice"Also proving that life on Earth without God is just a stupidity.

yeeeaaaahh, see. This is the sort of thing that keeps Atheists from being "friendly". I would not go into a Christian forum, tell them that believing in God is stupid, and expect to be welcomed with open arms. You are doing the same thing here, sir.

Quote from: "Holubice"

Quote from: "Tank"...If you wish to remain a member here you will have to modify your style. You have no right to post here, none of us do...

I inform you that I have added your user to my ignore list. So I will never read your post neither I will answer your questions.

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Well that's a first. Just goes to show how infantile and anti-social some people can be.  

How interesting. I have never put anybody on an ignore list, so I added Holubice to see what it does. While one can't see the whole posts made by the person on the foes list you can still see a place marker that a post has been made and it gives one the option of reading that particular post. I wonder how good his self control is? I expect we'll find out in due course. I've taken him off my ignore list now.

I suppose this is the same as sticking one's fingers in one's ears and going lalalalalala can't hear you! So you're not there!

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Quote from: "DeterminedJuliet"

Quote from: "Holubice"I don't consider the content of my argument offensive or rude.

It is not an issue of "offensive" or "rude", it is an issue of preaching which is specifically against the rules. You stated yourself that you intend to preach. This is the issue. I've only been here 2 days and I already get that.

So, let us have a look at rules in this forum:

"NO PREACHING: While everyone is welcome to discuss their views in a civil manner, this forum is not a podium for those that only wish to preach. This rule applies to atheists and theists alike. Preaching means stating your beliefs without providing evidence. If directly asked what you believe you may answer but it would then become against the rules if you were to then refuse to back up your views objectively when honestly challenged. This means that if you want to use your religious text to prove your deity, for instance, you will also need to be prepared to prove that your religious text is an objective source of evidence."

I want to discuss in the way your rules impose. Also proving that life on Earth without God is just a stupidity. From a mathematical point of view. I have read this text and I can act strictly in the way you impose to all users. Are there in this forum a mathematician, a physician and biologist? I would like to discuss also with persons with those skills.  

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Barrack room lawyer, I'm sure some here will really appreciate that.

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Quote from: "Tank"...If you wish to remain a member here you will have to modify your style. You have no right to post here, none of us do...

I inform you that I have added your user to my ignore list. So I will never read your post neither I will answer your questions.

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I don't think Tank will lose any sleep over it. He should wear it as a badge of honour.

Quote from: "Holubice"

Quote from: "Maria"...Pretend you never posted here before and start again with a clean slate. We're Happy Atheists so we'll forgive your previous behaviour.

So you are Happy. But are you also Friendly Atheists?    
So, so...

Most of us are friendly but we have our limits. In my experience theists are treated far better on atheist forums than vice-versa. I once joined a Christian forum, about 2 years ago. I think it was called ilovejesus or something like that. I didn't last long. It was probably the worst experience I ever had on the internet. Those fine upstanding, god-fearing Christians reduced me to tears at one time. I was called every name under the sun... 'bitch', 'whore', 'slut',' etc. One woman even called me 'Jezebel', which I thought was hilarious. Naturally, they rarely addressed any of my arguments. Many other atheists have similar stories to tell. So I'm not impressed when theists whine about poor treatment here or in other atheist forums. If you tone down your attitude we will respond positively. It's up to you.

Quote from: "Holubice"Do you know from know what it could come from my posts. Who knows the future. Just wait and see...

That made no sense.

Quote from: "Maria"

Quote from: "Holubice"Do you know from know what it could come from my posts. Who knows the future. Just wait and see...

That made no sense.

Ye, points for consistency though.

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Quote from: "Tank"...If you wish to remain a member here you will have to modify your style. You have no right to post here, none of us do...

I inform you that I have added your user to my ignore list. So I will never read your post neither I will answer your questions.

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I don't think Tank will lose any sleep over it. He should wear it as a badge of honour.

I has an ASBO  

Holubice, if your attitude doesn't change within your next post or two you'll be put in the restricted group.  We don't need your current attitude making a mess of the rest of the forum.  The only way out of the restricted group is convincing me that you have learned the error of your ways have have changed your attitude....in the short history of the restricted group no restricted user has been able to demonstrate change (so you don't want to be put in there).

Note that juvenile comments such as informing a user that they are being ignored simply because they were explaining the rules to you is flirting with a civility rule violation again...if you don't want to respond to a user in the future simply quit doing so and leave the drama out of it.

Quote from: "Tank"I has an ASBO  

Looks like Holubice just got an ASBO.

Quote from: "Tank"I has an ASBO  lol

Quote from: "Recusant"

Quote from: "Tank"I has an ASBO  lol

Not quite. It's an Anti-Social Behaviour Order.

Quote from: "Maria"

Quote from: "Tank"I has an ASBO  

Looks like Holubice just got an ASBO.

I've almost been here a year now and it's fun watching some sort lived members commit suicide by Mod!

Quote from: "Recusant"

Quote from: "Tank"I has an ASBO  lol

Something like

Quote from: "Maria"

Quote from: "Holubice"...I once joined a Christian forum, about 2 years ago. I think it was called ilovejesus or something like that. I didn't last long. It was probably the worst experience I ever had on the internet. Those fine upstanding, god-fearing Christians reduced me to tears at one time. I was called every name under the sun... 'bitch', 'whore', 'slut',' etc.... If you tone down your attitude we will respond positively. It's up to you....

I'm not responsible for the behaviour of those forums. You know I'm typing from Europe, how I could? As it's so important to explain my experience to as many persons is possible, I have even created my own forum (I think I can not write it's name here in a public manner as you could consider it spamming). From time to time I realise there are more and more persons which had the same experience and they have spent the rest of their life to tell their stories to sceptical people. The same I do. Please pay attention to my texts.

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Quote from: "DeterminedJuliet"

Quote from: "Holubice"Also proving that life on Earth without God is just a stupidity.

yeeeaaaahh, see. This is the sort of thing that keeps Atheists from being "friendly". I would not go into a Christian forum, tell them that believing in God is stupid, and expect to be welcomed with open arms. You are doing the same thing here, sir.

I have a forum like that (as I wrote upon...). You can write it down there if you want, and I will respond to you. The so called freedom to speech, without any prejudice towards atheist or believers. I grant it there, till you don't cause the police to surround my house....

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Quote from: "Whitney"Note that juvenile comments such as informing a user that they are being ignored simply because they were explaining the rules to you is flirting with a civility rule violation again...if you don't want to respond to a user in the future simply quit doing so and leave the drama out of it.

I have just informed Tank that he has not to expect any answer from his post as I have added him to my ignore list. As long as I know, this is the best way to avoid mess, . When I told you I want to discuss in a civil manner and to respect the rules of this forum I was true. You have some rules and I will respect them. I will just write contents and opinions you disagree, but you, in your rules, you have said it isn't forbidden.  

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Are there a mathematician, a physician and a biologist in this forum?

Quote from: "Holubice"

Quote from: "Maria"

Quote from: "Holubice"...I once joined a Christian forum, about 2 years ago. I think it was called ilovejesus or something like that. I didn't last long. It was probably the worst experience I ever had on the internet. Those fine upstanding, god-fearing Christians reduced me to tears at one time. I was called every name under the sun... 'bitch', 'whore', 'slut',' etc.... If you tone down your attitude we will respond positively. It's up to you....

I'm not responsible for the behaviour of those forums.

Straw man. I never said you were responsible. You used ellipsis to distort my meaning, leaving out several sentences. This is a typical apologist's trick. I thought my point was clear: theists are treated far better in atheist forums than vice-versa. Despite your attitude, we still treat you with more civility than we are treated on Christian forums. The fact that you haven't been banned yet proves my point. It could be even better. It's up to you.

Quote from: "Holubice"You know I'm typing from Europe, how I could?

And I'm typing from the UK, which is also part of Europe. So what? The internet has a global reach. Doesn't matter if you're typing from Papua New Guinea.

Quote from: "Holubice"As it's so important to explain my experience to as many persons is possible, I have even created my own forum (I think I can not write it's name here in a public manner as you could consider it spamming). From time to time I realise there are more and more persons which had the same experience and they have spent the rest of their life to tell their stories to sceptical people. The same I do. Please pay attention to my texts.

Oh, we're all paying attention, including the moderators. I suggest you pay attention to them.

Quote from: "Tank"

Quote from: "Maria"

Quote from: "Tank"I has an ASBO  

Looks like Holubice just got an ASBO.

I've almost been here a year now and it's fun watching some sort lived members commit suicide by Mod!

Yes, I've come across quite of few of them on other atheist forums. I think Holubice may be in the Top 10 (or bottom 10, depends on how one looks at it). I hope he doesn't get banned. He could provide us with months of entertainment.
btw every time I see that acronym 'ASBO' reminds me of Tony Blair.

Quote from: "Maria"btw every time I see that acronym 'ASBO' reminds me of Tony Blair.

Now you mention it it reminds me of the Blair years.

Quote from: "Holubice"

Quote from: "DeterminedJuliet"

Quote from: "Holubice"Also proving that life on Earth without God is just a stupidity.

yeeeaaaahh, see. This is the sort of thing that keeps Atheists from being "friendly". I would not go into a Christian forum, tell them that believing in God is stupid, and expect to be welcomed with open arms. You are doing the same thing here, sir.

I have a forum like that (as I wrote upon...). You can write it down there if you want, and I will respond to you. The so called freedom to speech, without any prejudice towards atheist or believers. I grant it there, till you don't cause the police to surround my house....

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I know there might be a language barrier, but you are consistently mis-reading what people say. I didn't say anything about "rules" I was talking about the "friendliness" of a forum. You were complaining that atheists weren't "friendly" and I pointed out that I wouldn't go to a Christian forum, tell them God was stupid, and then complain that they weren't "friendly" towards me.

Honestly, I don't see the point in you talking to a physicist, biologist and mathematician if you are skewing and mis-reading some pretty basic arguments that the rest of us are presenting to you.

Quote from: "Tank"

Quote from: "Maria"btw every time I see that acronym 'ASBO' reminds me of Tony Blair.

Now you mention it it reminds me of the Blair years.

I was about 10-12 when ASBO's were introduced. When I used to hang around with other kids in the street it seems like everyone and his uncle talked about ASBO's. It was a long time before I knew what they actually were.
I'm getting way off topic here... or I would if there actually was a topic. Over to you Holubice.

Quote from: "Holubice"

Quote from: "Whitney"Note that juvenile comments such as informing a user that they are being ignored simply because they were explaining the rules to you is flirting with a civility rule violation again...if you don't want to respond to a user in the future simply quit doing so and leave the drama out of it.

I have just informed Tank that he has not to expect any answer from his post as I have added him to my ignore list. As long as I know, this is the best way to avoid mess, . When I told you I want to discuss in a civil manner and to respect the rules of this forum I was true. You have some rules and I will respect them. I will just write contents and opinions you disagree, but you, in your rules, you have said it isn't forbidden.  

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Putting people on ignore won't help you. You have avoided serious questions put to you, and you have ignored my directives to comply with forum rules. You have also not responded to me that you acknowledge my directives to you. If you post once more before acknowledging that you have read, understood, and will comply with my directives, you will be either banned outright, or put in the restricted group.

Quote from: "Holubice"Are there a mathematician, a physician and a biologist in this forum?

For the record...yes there are. But I wouldn't expect them to take time to respond at this point.

Quote from: "McQ"If you post once more before acknowledging that you have read, understood, and will comply with my directives, you will be either banned outright, or put in the restricted group.

I guess he preferred to vanish  

Quote from: "DeterminedJuliet"

Quote from: "McQ"If you post once more before acknowledging that you have read, understood, and will comply with my directives, you will be either banned outright, or put in the restricted group.

I guess he preferred to vanish  

I think he'll come back, martyrdom is heady attractant!

Quote from: "Tank"I think he'll come back, martyrdom is heady attractant!

If I ever understand why that is the case for so many people I think I should be committed.

Just out of curiosity I Google results I noticed that 'our' Holubice has a profile in another atheist forum. He's posted there 30 times, last one yesterday. Looks like he's abandoned us.
Such a shame

Quote from: "Maria"Just out of curiosity I Google results I noticed that 'our' Holubice has a profile in another atheist forum. He's posted there 30 times, last one yesterday. Looks like he's abandoned us.
Such a shame

It happens every time: you think they're gone and you're safe, and then, out of nowhere...

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Quote from: "Maria"Just out of curiosity I Google results I noticed that 'our' Holubice has a profile in another atheist forum. He's posted there 30 times, last one yesterday. Looks like he's abandoned us. Such a shame

I have an 'Holubice' user in several atheist forums, in all the languages that I know, and there is a real good reason as I opened them, a reason related to my near death experience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience). 'Holubice' is a Czech word and it means 'Dove'. There is also a Czech movie named 'Holubice' filmed in the communist era and also a small village near Brno (the second largest city in Czech Republic). I used this language as few people want to deal with 'doves' in a atheist forum and, as few persons speak Czech language, this is, somehow, a subliminal message... And I know quite well Czech Republic and Czech language as I spent several holidays in Prague and in Brno as I had several sex tours (*) with my friends there as, before my N.D.E. I used to fornicate as much as I could. So you are speaking with a strange Christian Dove, a penitent Dove with an unmentionable past.  

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I had those tours when I was about 20 years old, and I had intercourses just with girls as old as me, or just few years younger

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Glad to see you are still around Holubice. Looking forward to seeing you hit the 50 mark.

BTW, hard to take a person seriously when they say words like "fornicate"
Gives me visions of a slapstick tv show with a somewhat uptight old priest like character.
Something like the Blackadder episode with the turnip that looks like a thingy.

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Quote from: "Maria"Just out of curiosity I Google results I noticed that 'our' Holubice has a profile in another atheist forum. He's posted there 30 times, last one yesterday. Looks like he's abandoned us. Such a shame

I have an 'Holubice' user in several atheist forums, in all the languages that I know, and there is a real good reason as I opened them, a reason related to my near death experience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience). 'Holubice' is a Czech word and it means 'Dove'. There is also a Czech movie named 'Holubice' filmed in the communist era and also a small village near Brno (the second largest city in Czech Republic). I used this language as few people want to deal with 'doves' in a atheist forum and, as few persons speak Czech language, this is, somehow, a subliminal message... And I know quite well Czech Republic and Czech language as I spent several holidays in Prague and in Brno as I had several sex tours (*) with my friends there as, before my N.D.E. I used to fornicate as much as I could. So you are speaking with a strange Christian Dove, a penitent Dove with an unmentionable past.  

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I had those tours when I was about 20 years old, and I had intercourses just with girls as old as me, or just few years younger

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NDAs are not a good reason to start believing in anything. The brain behaves in a very odd way when deprived of oxygen. A sense of euphoria is almost guaranteed apparently. This is why pilots are trained to recognise the symptoms of oxygen deprivation. I do believe that RAF pilots are trained in oxygen deprivation prior to being allowed to fly solo.

I had a very odd experience which illustrates that when nerves stop working the brain behaves in an unpredictable way. I have had both the lenses in my eyes changed as they developed cataracts due to diabetes. In the first operation I retained my eyesight throughout the operation, all be it extremely blurred. It was an interesting experience to be awake and have one's eye cut open and operated on. If you have to do it don't worry it's better than going to the dentist! However on the second operation I completely lost my vision in the eye being operated on, but it didn't go dark, it became bright white. A completely featureless white all over. It was most odd I couldn't even tell if my eye was open or shut.  I discussed this with the anaesthetist and apparently if the aesthetic works it's way to the optic nerve it switches it off. But rather than the black you would expect to see the effect is to 'white out' the eye's input to the brain.

The operation of the brain is unpredictable when it's not being supplied with the correct inputs or is not receiving the correct mix of oxygen or nutrients. An NDA is not a supernatural experience it's just a brain malfunctioning due to unusual circumstances.

As for your own guilt about you own past that's not a good reason to take up preaching as a hobby either. Maybe you should just apologise to the people you used while fornicating for your own pleasure?

Quote from: "Holubice"I have an 'Holubice' user in several atheist forums, in all the languages that I know, and there is a real good reason as I opened them, a reason related to my near death experience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience). 'Holubice' is a Czech word and it means 'Dove'. There is also a Czech movie named 'Holubice' filmed in the communist era and also a small village near Brno (the second largest city in Czech Republic). I used this language as few people want to deal with 'doves' in a atheist forum and, as few persons speak Czech language, this is, somehow, a subliminal message... And I know quite well Czech Republic and Czech language as I spent several holidays in Prague and in Brno as I had several sex tours (*) with my friends there as, before my N.D.E. I used to fornicate as much as I could. So you are speaking with a strange Christian Dove, a penitent Dove with an unmentionable past.

Well, that's all cleared up then.
Seriously, welcome back. Sex tours!!! You are an interesting person. Sorry to hear about your NDE, and I hope you've made a full recovery. But as Tank pointed out, NDE's are well understood. The operative word in Near Death Experience is near.

QuoteI had those tours when I was about 20 years old, and I had intercourses just with girls as old as me, or just few years younger.

Thanks for clarifying that for us.

Quote from: "Stevil"Glad to see you are still around Holubice. Looking forward to seeing you hit the 50 mark.

BTW, hard to take a person seriously when they say words like "fornicate"
Gives me visions of a slapstick tv show with a somewhat uptight old priest like character.
Something like the Blackadder episode with the turnip that looks like a thingy.

My dad has all the Blackadder series on DVD, and I remember that episode. It was brilliantly funny (they all were). I think Hugh Laurie was in that episode in a small role. He's gone on to bigger things, of course.

Quote from: "Stevil"Glad to see you are still around Holubice. Looking forward to seeing you hit the 50 mark.

I want to hit 50 posts so I can add my favourite and auto ironical avatar, this one:

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QuoteBTW, hard to take a person seriously when they say words like "fornicate"

Well, when I was 5-6 km far from the village 'Holobice' in the Czech Republic I used to have intercourses also with 3 different women in a day. My English dictionary call it "fornicate", how do you call it in your modern American English?


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Quote from: "Maria"Seriously, welcome back. Sex tours!!! You are an interesting person. Sorry to hear about your NDE, and I hope you've made a full recovery. But as Tank pointed out, NDE's are well understood. The operative word in Near Death Experience is near.

Ciao Maria, I noted your post even in the other forum, I answered also there your question. Yes, near means near, but all the persons which have those experiences have always the same odd and funny behaviour:
[spoiler:34bsqb0l]Near-death experiences  can have a major impact on the people who have them, and they may produce a variety of after-effects. NDE subjects have increased activity in the left temporal lobe. NDEs are also associated with changes in personality and outlook on life.  Kenneth Ring has identified a consistent set of value and belief changes associated with people who have had a near-death experience. Among these changes one finds a greater appreciation for life, higher self-esteem, greater compassion for others, a heightened sense of purpose and self-understanding, desire to learn, elevated spirituality, greater ecological sensitivity and planetary concern, and a feeling of being more intuitive. Changes may also include increased physical sensitivity; diminished tolerance to light, alcohol, and drugs; a feeling that the brain has been "altered" to encompass more; and a feeling that one is now using the "whole brain" rather than just a small part. However, not all after-effects are beneficial and Greyson describes circumstances where changes in attitudes and behavior can lead to psychosocial and psychospiritual problems. Often the problems have to do with the adjustment to ordinary life in the wake of the NDE.[/spoiler:34bsqb0l]
In other words their boundaries have increased till they completely disappear. So the outlook on your life is completely different. And also your commitments and your priorities. My priority now is to be as forceful as it is possible with you.


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Quote from: "Whitney"Note that juvenile comments such as informing a user that they are being ignored simply because they were explaining the rules to you is flirting with a civility rule violation again...if you don't want to respond to a user in the future simply quit doing so and leave the drama out of it.

I have just informed Tank that he has not to expect any answer from his post as I have added him to my ignore list. As long as I know, this is the best way to avoid mess, . When I told you I want to discuss in a civil manner and to respect the rules of this forum I was true. You have some rules and I will respect them. I will just write contents and opinions you disagree, but you, in your rules, you have said it isn't forbidden.  

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Putting people on ignore won't help you. You have avoided serious questions put to you, and you have ignored my directives to comply with forum rules. You have also not responded to me that you acknowledge my directives to you. If you post once more before acknowledging that you have read, understood, and will comply with my directives, you will be either banned outright, or put in the restricted group.

Holubice has been added to the restricted group for ignoring the above.

Quote from: "Whitney"Holubice has been added to the restricted group for ignoring the above.

Please remind me if you have a moment, what are the restrictions on the restricted group?

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Quote from: "Whitney"Holubice has been added to the restricted group for ignoring the above.

Please remind me if you have a moment, what are the restrictions on the restricted group?

Same as for new members.

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Quote from: "Whitney"Holubice has been added to the restricted group for ignoring the above.

Please remind me if you have a moment, what are the restrictions on the restricted group?

Same as for new members.

So he can still post here but won't automatically get full access to the forum at 50 posts and the other things n00bs can't do?

Quote from: "Tank"So he can still post here but won't automatically get full access to the forum at 50 posts and the other things n00bs can't do?

Correct...it is just preventing graduation into the rest of the forum.

And he can get it removed...he just has to show that he respects the forum enough to pay attention to directions from moderators.  A good step toward that would be reading and thoughtfully responding to McQ's post.

That sounds like another challenge. I wonder if he is upto the task, he could be the first to acheive it which would be a tremendous milestone. There can only ever be one first.

Quote from: "Whitney"Correct...it is just preventing graduation into the rest of the forum. And he can get it removed...he just has to show that he respects the forum enough to pay attention to directions from moderators...

Whitney, can you just add my beloved auto ironical avatar to my user in the forum? I mean this image:

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I don't care if I'm a person kept under high security surveillance and I just can stay outside in the garden... but I'm very devoted to this image so, when I'm 50 post old can I add this image for a moment and then to get 'restricted' just afterward?

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The best thing to do would be to address the moderator's post, play nicely and earn your avatar. It's not a right you know, its a privilege.

Quote from: "Stevil"The best thing to do would be to address the moderator's post, play nicely and earn your avatar. It's not a right you know, its a privilege.

Stevil, do you consider the content of my posts offensive, rude, bad-mannered and censurable?
And what do you think about the alerts I added? Do you consider me a fanatic or the Indonesia, Chile, Haiti and Japan images make you wonder too?

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Quote from: "Stevil"The best thing to do would be to address the moderator's post, play nicely and earn your avatar. It's not a right you know, its a privilege.

Stevil, do you consider the content of my posts offensive, rude, bad-mannered and censurable?
And what do you think about the alerts I added? Do you consider me a fanatic or the Indonesia, Chile, Haiti and Japan images make you wonder too?

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Careful how you answer this stevil or you'll end up on Holubice's foe list.  

Quote from: "Holubice"Do you consider me a fanatic or the Indonesia, Chile, Haiti and Japan images make you wonder too? [/img]

Evidence for your fanaticism is inconclusive, you could be a bored Californian teenager putting text through Bable Fish.  
The suggestion that natural disasters are a sign of the end times are just ridiculous.  What did the dinosaurs do to cause god to toss an asteroid at them?  

Maybe someone could argue increased extreme weather events are due to global warming and forebode worse to come.  If I was going to don a sandwich board and start shouting the end is nigh I would take this path.  People have been predicting the end of the world and the coming of god for millennia, it's time for a different approach.  

But seriously just live a good a life, and if yours or the worlds' end comes you'll have nothing to regret.

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Quote from: "Stevil"The best thing to do would be to address the moderator's post, play nicely and earn your avatar. It's not a right you know, its a privilege.

Stevil, do you consider the content of my posts offensive, rude, bad-mannered and censurable?
And what do you think about the alerts I added? Do you consider me a fanatic or the Indonesia, Chile, Haiti and Japan images make you wonder too?

I am concerned about your comment

QuoteUnfortunately Germany has lost his war

You do realise that the Germans were trying to wipe out a race of people. Putting prisoners into gas chambers. It was pretty terrible stuff. So I don't get why you say "unfortunately".

As I understand it the 50 post restricted licence gives people a chance to get aquainted with the people of this forum in a friendly mannor, before engaging in civil debate. With this regard I can see why we are asked not to delve into controversy within this area of the forum. If you are honest and sincere with regards to wanting to explore your thoughts and the thoughts of others, also practicing and improving your debating skills and knowledge of theism or atheism then you have come to the right place and will be intellectually stimulated once you get to the serious topics. But I do think this restricted licence is important because you may feel threatened, defensive or under attack unless you are able to aclimatise yourself to this community first. Without acclimatising I feel in the heat of debate you will likely get banned very quickly. If you acclimatise and tone it down and engage in open discussion, putting forth well thought out arguments, showing reasoning in your thoughts and an honesty to explore ideas rather than to preach then I think you will get much value out of your time here.

But just for the moment you are running on a restricted licence and hence are expected to be very civil and just get to know people. Learn a bit about them, let us get to know you before getting into these meaty debates. 50 posts will fly by when you start saying hello to a few people.

Quote from: "Stevil"I am concerned about your comment

QuoteUnfortunately Germany has lost his war

You do realise that the Germans were trying to wipe out a race of people. Putting prisoners into gas chambers. It was pretty terrible stuff. So I don't get why you say "unfortunately".

The word 'unfortunately' is, obviously, ironical, as a lot of people were guffawing about my poor control of English language. So, I meant, if Germany could win the war now German was the passpartout language of the world, that's all. And later on I added that 8.000.000 of American Indians were living in North America, now just 50.000 have survived. Where are those 7.950.000 disappeared? So do you remember the story of the great long and the splinter before you, and others, talk about 'to wipe out a race of people' or do you remember the smallpox infected blankets given by the young Yankee army to natives tribes to kill thousands of them before you talk of 'gas chambers'? Never forget that the only real commander in chief of America has been Red Cloud, Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull. All the men came later are just usurpers and murderers. When you will realise it you will understand why so many countries and so many people all around the world are so in anger with the States when they see its army approaching.
But this is just an history lesson, of course I'm horrified by the Nazi crimes, as I'm horrified by yours, or the crimes the Italian army committed few years ago in the attempt to conquer Libya, Ethiopia and Somalia.          


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And still no response to McQ or Whitney.

I bet he put them on his Foe list  

Quote from: "Tank"And still no response to McQ or Whitney.

I bet he put them on his Foe list  

I wonder if I can remove that ability on a per user basis, or just remove it entirely (came wrapped up in the forum software) as there is no real use for it and it can obviously be abused.

Oh well, if he can't see his instructions from the mods then he'll just be caught off guard if one day he ends up banned.  I bet he still thinks he'll get free range at 50 posts.

(btw, I just got back from jury duty; dismissed after just a couple hours...so I haven't read his posts yet)

Edit:  Friend or foe option is now disabled for everyone to prevent further nonsense.

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Quote from: "Tank"And still no response to McQ or Whitney.

I bet he put them on his Foe list  

I wonder if I can remove that ability on a per user basis, or just remove it entirely (came wrapped up in the forum software) as there is no real use for it and it can obviously be abused.

Oh well, if he can't see his instructions from the mods then he'll just be caught off guard if one day he ends up banned.  I bet he still thinks he'll get free range at 50 posts.

(btw, I just got back from jury duty; dismissed after just a couple hours...so I haven't read his posts yet)

The friend/foe functionality can be removed. It was removed at RatSkep because theists were simply 'foeing' the people they didn't like and it was destroying discussions there. I personally think that it's a childish affectation on a discussion forum. I can see it's use on a social forum like facebook but not a not a discussion board like this one. $0.02

EDIT: Just noticed Whitney's edit!

OK, so now I"m caught up.

No, you can't have your avatar till you demonstrate that you respect the forum and graduate out of the restricted area...asking again will get you banned as I'll take that as a sign that you have no intention to participate seriously on HAF.

This thread is now locked...further continuation of this discussion is not allowed int he "getting to know you" section of the forum to which you are restricted.  Demonstrate an honest attempt to converse with members of the forum in a friendly manner and you'll be released from the restricted group.  Starting further debate topics, controversial comments, preaching or anything else of a non casual manner will lead to banning.