I'm here to sign up for the revolution :D!!!, and the upcoming War On Religion. I have a lot of questions like: who were supposed to kill first, where the detention centers are being built, and where do I receive my weapon. But! I figured I'd just ask for the info upfront, so is there a pamphlet or a website or what ????
1. We're supposed to kill superstition and ignorance, and replace it as best we can with critical thought and information.
2. We're converting any current Creation Museums into detention centers for the purpose of re-educatation, deprogramming, and courses in logic as well as how to get along with fellow humans without wanting them killed. Your number is 57102. Take a seat in a blue chair, I'll give you your textbook shortly.
3. Your weapons are as follows: a healthy sense of skepticism, a desire for community, a good sense of humour, and the ability to ask questions and lead by example.
4. No pamphlet. This website and several others. ;)
Welcome!
My troll senses are tingling. ::)
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 13, 2012, 03:22:13 AM
My troll senses are tingling. ::)
It could be someone with an offbeat, quirky sense of humour. I never can tell based on a single hello post. So I prefer to hope for more folks who simply have weird senses of humour. We can never have too many of those. :) Right, harte.beest?
I mean, a grassland antelope has joined our midst! How often does THAT happen?!? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartebeest
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 13, 2012, 03:22:13 AM
My troll senses are tingling. ::)
Agreed.
No war, just looking for recognition and respect. Welcome to the forum if that's why you're here too.
Yes I'm kidding... of course I am.... ;).... killing innocent christian children c'mon who would do that ::)??
;) 57102 :-X
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 03:54:06 AM
Yes I'm kidding... of course I am.... ;).... killing innocent christian children c'mon who would do that ::)??
;) 57102 :-X
57102. I chose it for no reason other than it being the model number for the iRobot Roomba Robotic Vacuum. Those things are sweet. :D
And I figured since you wanted to be in some kinda army, a robot army would be cool. ;) They can amass together AND clean your rug all at once!
Well then. I apologize. Welcome to the forum :)
I hadn't heard about the war, I thought we'd decided against it.
No one seemed keen to take on the role of cannon fodder.
We do have an Atheist escape ark under construction on the moon's dark side.
And if we do have to resort to killing we won't call it killing.
Currently liberation from delusion is the most popular euphemism with the committee.
Hello harte.beest
We're actually quite kind to Christians you know, if they play nice.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.gizmodo.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2F4%2F2009%2F03%2FiToad.jpg&hash=84ff2f42b13270e817919633f8fe8621e5fe50a0)
Yes... Liberation From Delusion ;)... SO... what is my first assignment ???
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 04:28:27 AM
Yes... Liberation From Delusion ;)... SO... what is my first assignment ???
Bring us a shrubbery!
One that looks nice.
And not too expensive.
Hello and welcome to HAF,
harte.beest. I admit I have a hard time finding amusement in topics like killing and detention centers. (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rationalskepticism.org%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Ficon_noodle.gif&hash=36f949625a7200ce51a35213614fd01821da38f4) On the other hand, I've been known to at least smile at images of baby sandwiches. It's a matter of the degree of plausibility and historical precedent, I suppose.
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Non-religious pet peeves (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6917.0)
Pets...what do you have? (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=7.0)
How to tell your family you are an atheist. (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5111.0)*
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Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 13, 2012, 04:35:01 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 04:28:27 AM
Yes... Liberation From Delusion ;)... SO... what is my first assignment ???
Bring us a shrubbery!
One that looks nice.
And not too expensive.
Sir, is this the shrubbery you request, Sir?
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsalvationist.ca%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F02%2Fbushfire.jpg&hash=5e0c62145c6202c12495075c4684c1c61fadd033)
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 04:54:36 AM
Sir, is this the shrubbery you request, Sir?
No that isn't nice at all.
Don't make me say...
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F26.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_ln3q9m6AQY1qzkrfxo1_500.jpg&hash=6f2e2c80668d82ce4a4a740bcbdfd367c3850fbb)
Quote from: Recusant on May 13, 2012, 04:49:15 AM
Hello and welcome to HAF, harte.beest. I admit I have a hard time finding amusement in topics like killing and detention centers. (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rationalskepticism.org%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Ficon_noodle.gif&hash=36f949625a7200ce51a35213614fd01821da38f4) On the other hand, I've been known to at least smile at images of baby sandwiches. It's a matter of the degree of plausibility and historical precedent, I suppose.
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Where did you get your username from? (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5133.0)
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Non-religious pet peeves (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6917.0)
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Phew!!! Just finished posting in all the threads you listed, tried reading some, but a few are very long. I did not post in the last one, because I wish to file a FORMAL PROTEST: You cannot have a discussion with those who do not listen. (hence the upcoming genocide)
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 05:35:54 AMPhew!!! Just finished posting in all the threads you listed, tried reading some, but a few are very long. I did not post in the last one, because I wish to file a FORMAL PROTEST: You cannot have a discussion with those who do not listen. (hence the upcoming genocide)
A "FORMAL PROTEST," eh? Fine. In turn, I will offer you a piece of advice: Your continued mention of "killing" and "genocide" is not funny, and if you persist in it, you will find that your time here will become rather problematic. I suggest you find some other way to get your jollies.
Quote from: Recusant on May 13, 2012, 05:55:47 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 05:35:54 AMPhew!!! Just finished posting in all the threads you listed, tried reading some, but a few are very long. I did not post in the last one, because I wish to file a FORMAL PROTEST: You cannot have a discussion with those who do not listen. (hence the upcoming genocide)
A "FORMAL PROTEST," eh? Fine. In turn, I will offer you a piece of advice: Your continued mention of "killing" and "genocide" is not funny, and if you persist in it, you will find that your time here will become rather problematic. I suggest you find some other way to get your jollies.
Endorsed.
Hopefully you'll get the feel of the forum relatively soon.
Welcome to HAF
Regards
Chris
No killing or genocide, thank you. However I do have this sneaky longing for slapstick protests, like filling the pope's hat with custard or putting whooppee cushions under a bishop's kneeler. Personally, I would be happy if harte.beest would undertake this sort of mission.
Quote from: Flanders and SwannNor am I in the least like that dreadful heartebeeste....
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 13, 2012, 03:22:13 AM
My troll senses are tingling. ::)
Yes, but unless a troll, however flagrant and transparent, says " I am a troll" then you musn't cast such dreadful aspersions on him/ her.
Quote from: Amicale on May 13, 2012, 04:13:30 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 03:54:06 AM
Yes I'm kidding... of course I am.... ;).... killing innocent christian children c'mon who would do that ::)??
;) 57102 :-X
57102. I chose it for no reason other than it being the model number for the iRobot Roomba Robotic Vacuum. Those things are sweet. :D
And I figured since you wanted to be in some kinda army, a robot army would be cool. ;) They can amass together AND clean your rug all at once!
i could really do with one of those to fight the battle of my toddlers! a robot/hoover army is the only way to keep my house clean lol.
Quote from: OldGit on May 13, 2012, 09:54:20 AM
No killing or genocide, thank you. However I do have this sneaky longing for slapstick protests, like filling the pope's hat with custard or putting whooppee cushions under a bishop's kneeler. Personally, I would be happy if harte.beest would undertake this sort of mission.
Quote from: Flanders and SwannNor am I in the least like that dreadful heartebeeste....
agreed. there's enough killing and genocide, but one could never have enough slapstick!
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 05:35:54 AM
Phew!!! Just finished posting in all the threads you listed, tried reading some, but a few are very long. I did not post in the last one, because I wish to file a FORMAL PROTEST: You cannot have a discussion with those who do not listen. (hence the upcoming genocide)
To clarify. You don't need to post in all those threads. And you don't need to try and get to ten posts by racking up junk posts. If you do, your count will be reset and or you will be issued a warning from the moderating staff.
I also don't find the humor in your posts so far, with regard to your talk of murder and genocide. Perhaps you would think about posting more appropriately.
I don't understand the "protest". ???
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) "
-Carl Sagan (The Fine Art of Baloney Detection)
Carl "The Saganist" Sagan :-X
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 14, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
I don't understand the "protest". ???
The General has informed me, all further discussions are classified, we may continue via private message, unless the General says otherwise :-X :-X :-X
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 14, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
I don't understand the "protest". ???
The General has informed me, all further discussions are classified, we may continue via private message, unless the General says otherwise :-X :-X :-X
Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure you're allowed to discuss anything. Besides genocide. And if that's what you're looking to chat about via PM, I think I'll just stick to this nice public forum, thanks.
There is no rule against discussing serious subjects such as genocide in the appropriate sections of this forum. What has been discouraged is a fatuous attempt at "humor" using murder and/or genocide committed by atheists as its base.
Quote from: Recusant on May 14, 2012, 02:09:28 AM
There is no rule against discussing serious subjects such as genocide in the appropriate sections of this forum. What has been discouraged is a fatuous attempt at "humor" using murder and/or genocide committed by atheists as its base.
Yes, that's what I meant, sorry.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 14, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
I don't understand the "protest". ???
The General has informed me, all further discussions are classified, we may continue via private message, unless the General says otherwise :-X :-X :-X
In the Atheist/Theist battle of ideas theists can use the aggressive angry approach of some atheists against us.
Look at those grumpy unhappy atheists. We don't want to be like them do we my sheepy friends? No, baaah, grumpy bad baaaah happy good baaaah. Green=Pudding the theist shepherd mode.
I think it is the feeling of some here that we should avoid giving them such a weapon to use against us.
Others are repulsed by religion's ugly murderous past and reject associating us with such a thing, even in jest.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 14, 2012, 04:39:04 AMIn the Atheist/Theist battle of ideas theists can use the aggressive angry approach of some atheists against us.
Look at those grumpy unhappy atheists. We don't want to be like them do we my sheepy friends? No, baaah, grumpy bad baaaah happy good baaaah. Green=Pudding the theist shepherd mode.
I think it is the feeling of some here that we should avoid giving them such a weapon to use against us.
Others are repulsed by religion's ugly murderous past and reject associating us with such a thing, even in jest.
Well said,
Magic Pudding. You're not just another pretty face wearing a stunning hat. (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg87.imageshack.us%2Fimg87%2F1205%2Fwinedheers.gif&hash=049ea987d0c68a814892072ff9ce05e763794091)
Well said. There's a reason it's called "Happy" Atheists
Quote from: Recusant on May 14, 2012, 04:44:21 AM
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 14, 2012, 04:39:04 AMIn the Atheist/Theist battle of ideas theists can use the aggressive angry approach of some atheists against us.
Look at those grumpy unhappy atheists. We don't want to be like them do we my sheepy friends? No, baaah, grumpy bad baaaah happy good baaaah. Green=Pudding the theist shepherd mode.
I think it is the feeling of some here that we should avoid giving them such a weapon to use against us.
Others are repulsed by religion's ugly murderous past and reject associating us with such a thing, even in jest.
Well said, Magic Pudding. You're not just another pretty face wearing a stunning hat. (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg87.imageshack.us%2Fimg87%2F1205%2Fwinedheers.gif&hash=049ea987d0c68a814892072ff9ce05e763794091)
Hear, hear! ;D
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) "
-Carl Sagan (The Fine Art of Baloney Detection)
Carl "The Saganist" Sagan :-X
It's a start. Just how green are you?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 05:50:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) "
-Carl Sagan (The Fine Art of Baloney Detection)
Carl "The Saganist" Sagan :-X
It's a start. Just how green are you?
Whats "green" mean?
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 14, 2012, 04:39:04 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 14, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
I don't understand the "protest". ???
The General has informed me, all further discussions are classified, we may continue via private message, unless the General says otherwise :-X :-X :-X
In the Atheist/Theist battle of ideas theists can use the aggressive angry approach of some atheists against us.
Look at those grumpy unhappy atheists. We don't want to be like them do we my sheepy friends? No, baaah, grumpy bad baaaah happy good baaaah. Green=Pudding the theist shepherd mode.
I think it is the feeling of some here that we should avoid giving them such a weapon to use against us.
Others are repulsed by religion's ugly murderous past and reject associating us with such a thing, even in jest.
i couldnt agree more. too many innoncent lives have been lost and i dont want to be a part of anything that tells one person they must die just because they dont agree with what i believe.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 05:50:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) "
-Carl Sagan (The Fine Art of Baloney Detection)
Carl "The Saganist" Sagan :-X
It's a start. Just how green are you?
Whats "green" mean?
this is my intepretation; when a tree first begins to grow, its a teeny tiny shoot, very fresh and green. only through time does it grow big and strong, with a thick trunk and a massive root ball.
i personally am quite green, as in, i'm very new to atheism.
hope that helps.
Quote from: kitty on May 14, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 05:50:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) "
-Carl Sagan (The Fine Art of Baloney Detection)
Carl "The Saganist" Sagan :-X
It's a start. Just how green are you?
Whats "green" mean?
this is my intepretation; when a tree first begins to grow, its a teeny tiny shoot, very fresh and green. only through time does it grow big and strong, with a thick trunk and a massive root ball.
i personally am quite green, as in, i'm very new to atheism.
hope that helps.
I'm a pale shade of magenta myself. But that's down to my fondness for port. Which also probably explains my gouty irascibility.
I'm not sure ??? is there some kind of quiz I should take?
Quote from: kitty on May 14, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 05:50:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) "
-Carl Sagan (The Fine Art of Baloney Detection)
Carl "The Saganist" Sagan :-X
It's a start. Just how green are you?
Whats "green" mean?
this is my intepretation; when a tree first begins to grow, its a teeny tiny shoot, very fresh and green. only through time does it grow big and strong, with a thick trunk and a massive root ball.
i personally am quite green, as in, i'm very new to atheism.
hope that helps.
This. :)
*snaps fingers* Experience. Whaddaya got?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: kitty on May 14, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 05:50:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 14, 2012, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 13, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Welcome!
You can start by reading everything you can that Carl Sagan wrote.
Your username brings up fond memories. Plains were full of hartebeests.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) "
-Carl Sagan (The Fine Art of Baloney Detection)
Carl "The Saganist" Sagan :-X
It's a start. Just how green are you?
Whats "green" mean?
this is my intepretation; when a tree first begins to grow, its a teeny tiny shoot, very fresh and green. only through time does it grow big and strong, with a thick trunk and a massive root ball.
i personally am quite green, as in, i'm very new to atheism.
hope that helps.
This. :)
*snaps fingers* Experience. Whaddaya got?
a thick trunk and a massive root ball :-*
I find that somewhat difficult to believe (Sagan's made a skeptic out of me)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
I find that somewhat difficult to believe (Sagan's made a skeptic out of me)
Those with impressive dimensions do not need to mention them.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
I find that somewhat difficult to believe (Sagan's made a skeptic out of me)
I honestly don't know how to measure my atheism ???
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
I find that somewhat difficult to believe (Sagan's made a skeptic out of me)
I honestly don't know how to measure my atheism ???
What's your story?
Quote from: En_Route on May 14, 2012, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
I find that somewhat difficult to believe (Sagan's made a skeptic out of me)
Those with impressive dimensions do not need to mention them.
You're right, they get other people to mention it for them.
Not to get all cliché, but does who are insistant on mentioning them are over-compensating for something. ;D
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 15, 2012, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 14, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
I find that somewhat difficult to believe (Sagan's made a skeptic out of me)
I honestly don't know how to measure my atheism ???
What's your story?
I don't what you mean by "story"? I could tell you where I was born, or what my first pet's name was, but I don't know what that has to do with atheism???
How long have you been an atheist? Did you grow up as one, or did you become one? What's your background in terms of your ideas? Is your family atheist also, or no?
Ok, you want the more direct approach, I see ;D
What are the parts of your story that do have to do with your atheism?
You could answer the other two (where you were born, or what your first pet's name was too, since you mentioned them)
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 12:48:27 AM
I don't what you mean by "story"? I could tell you where I was born, or what my first pet's name was, but I don't know what that has to do with atheism???
We're not all atheism all the time -- we like to get to know one another as just folks too.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on May 15, 2012, 04:44:34 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 12:48:27 AM
I don't what you mean by "story"? I could tell you where I was born, or what my first pet's name was, but I don't know what that has to do with atheism???
We're not all atheism all the time
Heavens, no... based on the average derail rate. ;D
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Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 12:48:27 AM
I don't what you mean by "story"? I could tell you where I was born, or what my first pet's name was, but I don't know what that has to do with atheism???
We're not all atheism all the time
Heavens, no... based on the average derail rate. ;D
Yes, we do have a bit of a short attention span here. Expect many a derail. :D
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 15, 2012, 05:06:58 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 15, 2012, 04:54:34 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on May 15, 2012, 04:44:34 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 12:48:27 AM
I don't what you mean by "story"? I could tell you where I was born, or what my first pet's name was, but I don't know what that has to do with atheism???
We're not all atheism all the time
Heavens, no... based on the average derail rate. ;D
Yes, we do have a bit of a short attention span here. Expect many a derail. :D
For you Buddy, I think I've seen you post VERY little about atheism. It's mostly family and horses and other pets all the way. ;D And that's awesome!
For myself, I'm going to back off the atheism topics for a while and just cool off talking about it so much here. Not that I'll never mention it, but I've found myself getting too hot under the collar about it lately, and the last thing I want to become is a fundie in the opposite direction. Much more fun stuff needed for me. Talking about pets, friends, hobbies, having fun, etc. And getting off the damned computer to spend more time on all the above. :)
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on May 15, 2012, 04:44:34 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 12:48:27 AM
I don't what you mean by "story"? I could tell you where I was born, or what my first pet's name was, but I don't know what that has to do with atheism???
We're not all atheism all the time -- we like to get to know one another as just folks too.
like it.
but it sure would be nice to know more about you harte.beest. this is a 'happy' forum, so surely we cant just talk about things that wig us off.
Quote from: AmicaleFor you Buddy, I think I've seen you post VERY little about atheism. It's mostly family and horses and other pets all the way. And that's awesome!
Agreed. After all, Bud's horses and lizards etc are presumably atheists and we need to be told about them. ;D
Quote from: Amicale on May 15, 2012, 05:34:40 AMFor you Buddy, I think I've seen you post VERY little about atheism. It's mostly family and horses and other pets all the way. ;D And that's awesome!
Quote from: OldGit on May 15, 2012, 11:09:10 AM
Agreed. After all, Bud's horses and lizards etc are presumably atheists and we need to be told about them. ;D
Thanks guys. :) About the almost never talking about my atheism, I think I have come up with two reasons for that. The first being that I don't really feel to strongly about my atheism. Sure I don't believe, but I don't think about is on a daily basis. The second is because I am more laid back and prefer to just chat about my family and pets than getting into a debate about a spork is truly better than a spoon. ;)
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 15, 2012, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Amicale on May 15, 2012, 05:34:40 AMFor you Buddy, I think I've seen you post VERY little about atheism. It's mostly family and horses and other pets all the way. ;D And that's awesome!
Quote from: OldGit on May 15, 2012, 11:09:10 AM
Agreed. After all, Bud's horses and lizards etc are presumably atheists and we need to be told about them. ;D
Thanks guys. :) About the almost never talking about my atheism, I think I have come up with two reasons for that. The first being that I don't really feel to strongly about my atheism. Sure I don't believe, but I don't think about is on a daily basis. The second is because I am more laid back and prefer to just chat about my family and pets than getting into a debate about a spork is truly better than a spoon. ;)
when a spoon is clearly better that a sporke. things are made too compicated these days. scooooop (without fear of stabbing one's self) :D
Quote from: kitty on May 15, 2012, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 15, 2012, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Amicale on May 15, 2012, 05:34:40 AMFor you Buddy, I think I've seen you post VERY little about atheism. It's mostly family and horses and other pets all the way. ;D And that's awesome!
Quote from: OldGit on May 15, 2012, 11:09:10 AM
Agreed. After all, Bud's horses and lizards etc are presumably atheists and we need to be told about them. ;D
Thanks guys. :) About the almost never talking about my atheism, I think I have come up with two reasons for that. The first being that I don't really feel to strongly about my atheism. Sure I don't believe, but I don't think about is on a daily basis. The second is because I am more laid back and prefer to just chat about my family and pets than getting into a debate about a spork is truly better than a spoon. ;)
when a spoon is clearly better that a sporke. things are made too compicated these days. scooooop (without fear of stabbing one's self) :D
I want to argue you with you, but unfortunately you picked the correct side in this debate. They promote laziness and injury. You expect a spoon and end up poking yourself in the lips or tongue. As humans, we can't even be expected to have a 99.99% lifetime success rate of not accidentally biting down on a utensil. Can we really be trusted with a fork/spoon combination that tricks our brains into sometimes thinking it is a nicely rounded spoon, while hiding it's sinister intentions in plain sight? I think not.
What is the goal of atheism? After we deconvert the world, what is the goal afterwards?
"Now the trumpet summons us again - not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are - but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation" - a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.
Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?
In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shank from this responsibility - I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavour will light our country and all who serve it -- and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.
And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
Personally, I have no goals of deconversion. I couldn't care less if someone believed or not, just as long as I or anybody close to me is not hurt.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 11:56:35 PM
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
Don't worry. As a non-U.S citizen, I pretty much never ask this. ;)
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 16, 2012, 12:12:56 AM
Personally, I have no goals of deconversion. I couldn't care less if someone believed or not, just as long as I or anybody close to me is not hurt.
Agreed. I don't have any big plans for deconverting the world.
Quote from: Ali on May 16, 2012, 12:41:02 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 16, 2012, 12:12:56 AM
Personally, I have no goals of deconversion. I couldn't care less if someone believed or not, just as long as I or anybody close to me is not hurt.
Agreed. I don't have any big plans for deconverting the world.
Agreed. All I really want is for religion to stop playing a role in laws and politics.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 11:56:35 PMWhat is the goal of atheism? After we deconvert the world, what is the goal afterwards?
[Quote from John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address of 1961 (http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html) omitted.]
Where did you get the idea that atheism should have a goal? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god or gods. I don't see any room for a goal in that, and as far as I'm concerned, any attempt to shoehorn a goal in only displays a deep misunderstanding of what atheism is.
Some atheists may wish to "deconvert the world" but that is their personal agenda, and is a result of their evangelical tendencies rather than a result of their atheism.
If you think either of the above is incorrect, then I invite you to present an argument which supports your position.
I'm going to move this thread, because it has long since ceased to be an intro thread.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 11:56:35 PM
What is the goal of atheism? After we deconvert the world, what is the goal afterwards?
The post-world deconversion goal is we all settle down and eat some pizza, do the can-can dance and say click this (needs earphones) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGHOxnCto)
What do you mean by "there is no goal in atheism"?
Recusant: I'm not an evengelical, nor have I ever been one
My current Atheist agenda:
- Clean out fridge
- Finish reading a chapter in one of my textbooks
- Complete a list of topic ideas for the rest of the week and send them to my editor
- Put on jammies
- Watch Lost on Netflix
- Try to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Fail to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Maybe paint my toesies
That pretty much sums up my nefarious atheist schemes. At least before bedtime.
You didn't even answer the question people have asked. What's your story? What are your beliefs? If you're an ex-theist, what caused you to deconvert? If you're an ex-atheist, what caused you to convert? Tell us a bit about yourself. Where were you born? What's your pet's name? I don't even know if you're atheist, theist, or any other variation...
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 01:54:18 AMWhat do you mean there is no goal in atheism?
Recusant: I'm not an evengelical, nor have I ever been one
It's exceedingly simple, and your earlier statement which seemed to assert that as an atheist you have extensive experience (or something) (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=10005.msg171379#msg171379) seems to be contradicted by this question and the previous question. I already said it once, and you've ignored it: Those who ascribe an agenda or goal to atheism
do not understand atheism. Even so basic a reference as Merriam-Webster's (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism) would make that clear to anyone who cared to pay attention:
Quoteatheism noun \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\ (Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god)
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
. b : the doctrine that there is no deity
Do you see any goal even hinted at in this definition? If so, what is it, and by what means do you discern a goal?
I've never accused you of being an evangelical, so why the protestation? (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg826.imageshack.us%2Fimg826%2F4195%2Flolbymissbangles.gif&hash=a459a670b2fef67538964246ce892a4b5f7d96e2)
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 01:54:18 AM
What do you mean by "there is no goal in atheism"?
Recusant: I'm not an evengelical, nor have I ever been one
Never mind Recusant already responded while I was typing.
Edit: I will word what he has said differently. As atheists we have all simply come to the same conclusion about one specific topic; Is there a god? That is where the sameness ends.
I know that this is no longer an intro thread, but I'm curoius now. Do you have any pets?
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 16, 2012, 12:14:06 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 15, 2012, 11:56:35 PM
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
Don't worry. As a non-U.S citizen, I pretty much never ask this. ;)
But the next line was
"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
They are nice words I think, I'm pretty sure freedom of religion would have been part of the freedom envisioned.
I was going to ask what am I, since I have the goal of deconverting the world...... but since you guys don't know a thing about me I'll tell you a little personal info........... let me know if it's not enough....... (cracks knuckles)
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 16, 2012, 01:57:03 AM
My current Atheist agenda:
- Clean out fridge
- Finish reading a chapter in one of my textbooks
- Complete a list of topic ideas for the rest of the week and send them to my editor
- Put on jammies
- Watch Lost on Netflix
- Try to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Fail to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Maybe paint my toesies
That pretty much sums up my nefarious atheist schemes. At least before bedtime.
Couldn't a theist have this same agenda, what separates you from them?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 16, 2012, 01:58:15 AM
You didn't even answer the question people have asked. What's your story? What are your beliefs? If you're an ex-theist, what caused you to deconvert? If you're an ex-atheist, what caused you to convert? Tell us a bit about yourself. Where were you born? What's your pet's name? I don't even know if you're atheist, theist, or any other variation...
I don't know what I believe.... I always tell people, I am, whatever they are, (or what I presume they are, at first glance) when people, who know me, ask me what I believe, I say "I worship Satan"
I was never converted to, or from, atheism, I guess, you could say i'm an atheist, the same way a newborn infant is an atheist.
Quote from: Recusant on May 16, 2012, 02:15:25 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 01:54:18 AMWhat do you mean there is no goal in atheism?
Recusant: I'm not an evengelical, nor have I ever been one
It's exceedingly simple, and your earlier statement which seemed to assert that as an atheist you have extensive experience (or something) (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=10005.msg171379#msg171379) seems to be contradicted by this question and the previous question. I already said it once, and you've ignored it: Those who ascribe an agenda or goal to atheism do not understand atheism. Even so basic a reference as Merriam-Webster's (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism) would make that clear to anyone who cared to pay attention:
Quoteatheism noun \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\ (Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god)
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
. b : the doctrine that there is no deity
Do you see any goal even hinted at in this definition? If so, what is it, and by what means do you discern a goal?
I've never accused you of being an evangelical, so why the protestation? (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg826.imageshack.us%2Fimg826%2F4195%2Flolbymissbangles.gif&hash=a459a670b2fef67538964246ce892a4b5f7d96e2)
Without letting this devolve into a conversation about the definition of atheism.
Why do you feel there shouldn't (or as you said couldn't) be a goal to atheism, why not deconvert people. Do you not feel any responsibilty to spread "the doctrine that there is no deity".
Could I convert your kids to evangelical(-ism?) without you saying two words to them, about it?
Quote from: ThinkAnarchy on May 16, 2012, 02:18:12 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 01:54:18 AM
What do you mean by "there is no goal in atheism"?
Recusant: I'm not an evengelical, nor have I ever been one
Never mind Recusant already responded while I was typing.
Edit: I will word what he has said differently. As atheists we have all simply come to the same conclusion about one specific topic; Is there a god? That is where the sameness ends.
Yes but theists could also say they all believe in a god, and that is where the sameness ends. Yet millions of them not only think it's their goal to lead a good life, but to spread their beliefs (hence jehovah witness' knocking on your door)
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 16, 2012, 01:57:03 AM
My current Atheist agenda:
- Clean out fridge
- Finish reading a chapter in one of my textbooks
- Complete a list of topic ideas for the rest of the week and send them to my editor
- Put on jammies
- Watch Lost on Netflix
- Try to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Fail to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Maybe paint my toesies
That pretty much sums up my nefarious atheist schemes. At least before bedtime.
Couldn't a theist have this same agenda, what separates you from them?
Nothing in this instance. That's kinda my point. I can be an atheist without any "atheist goals". It doesn't change who I am.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 15, 2012, 12:49:19 PM
Sure I don't believe, but I don't think about is on a daily basis.
Reminds me of something Bill Mahr said: the best thing about atheism is that it takes up so little of your time.
Quote from: ThinkAnarchy on May 16, 2012, 12:44:12 AM
Quote from: Ali on May 16, 2012, 12:41:02 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on May 16, 2012, 12:12:56 AM
Personally, I have no goals of deconversion. I couldn't care less if someone believed or not, just as long as I or anybody close to me is not hurt.
Agreed. I don't have any big plans for deconverting the world.
Agreed. All I really want is for religion to stop playing a role in laws and politics.
That's my birthday wish every year. Besides, trying to deconvert people is just as presumptious and annoying as trying to convert them, and I have enough bad habits as it is.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
I was going to ask what am I, since I have the goal of deconverting the world...... but since you guys don't know a thing about me I'll tell you a little personal info........... let me know if it's not enough....... (cracks knuckles)
Some people describe themselves as anti-theist/theism.
Some would be against aspects of religion but don't adopt the designation.
How are you going to de-convert people?
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
Yes but theists could also say they all believe in a god, and that is where the sameness ends. Yet millions of them not only think it's their goal to lead a good life, but to spread their beliefs (hence jehovah witness' knocking on your door)
Theism goes beyond simply the question of if there is a god. The bible, koran, and I would imagine the Book of Mormon teach beliefs that go beyond the question atheists have answered for themselves.
Religion does not attempt to answer one simple question, but many. Atheism deals simply with the question of god and the conclusion that their is no evidence to believe in one.
Each religion attempts to claim far more than what atheism does and they have ripped common threads from other religions. So of course there are similarities among them. Again, atheism is simply the conclusion there is no god. We make no other claims as atheists and any other views we share with other atheists are most likely rooted in political philosophy or something similar, not in our atheism.
There is no debate about the definition of atheism; it's very simple. No gods'.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on May 16, 2012, 04:38:26 AM
That's my birthday wish every year. Besides, trying to deconvert people is just as presumptious and annoying as trying to convert them, and I have enough bad habits as it is.
I think my family thought I was trying to deconvert them for a while. I simply wanted them to understand why I no longer believed in god, which has never worked well. Now we simply don't talk about it much and whenever they say something about it, I simply let it go. I accept they will never understand, and they have stopped trying to bring me back to Jesus every time I visit.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AMI was going to ask what am I, since I have the goal of deconverting the world...... but since you guys don't know a thing about me I'll tell you a little personal info........... let me know if it's not enough....... (cracks knuckles)
Given that "converting" and "de-converting" are two sides of the same coin, and that one of the definitions of evangelism is "militant or crusading zeal," your goal sounds remarkably like evangelism; just sayin'.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AMWithout letting this devolve into a conversation about the definition of atheism.
Why do you feel there shouldn't (or as you said couldn't) be a goal to atheism, why not deconvert people.
It isn't about my feelings regarding the term, it's about accurate usage. It seems that you would like to add baggage the word. If you don't want this conversation to be about the definition of "atheism," then don't try to redefine it.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AMDo you not feel any responsibilty to spread "the doctrine that there is no deity".
No, I feel no responsibility in that direction. I consider atheism a doctrine only in the sense that it's a position on the existence of a god or gods. The generally understood meaning of "doctrine" as equivalent to "dogma" is not applicable, in my opinion.
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AMCould I convert your kids to evangelical(-ism?) without you saying two words to them, about it?
The wording of this question is nebulous; would you mind clarifying what it is that you're asking me?
For me, I think the reason why I'm not trying to deconvert people is that unlike a theist I see no real problems with being wrong. Theists believe that those who are wrong are going to hell. That's a big motivator to try to convert people, they believe there're dire consequences for not believing. On the flipside I believe that there're consequences for believing in a false god, but those consequences mainly have to do with wasted time and energy. Being the pragmatist I am, I think that whatever people believe to bring some comfort and joy into their lives is probably okay. In the end what is it really matter? Right or wrong, they'll still be dead someday just like me. Why rob them of their small comforts? The only time I get antsy is when they want to push their beliefs on other people or write them into law. As long as they leave me alone, I'm content leave them alone because honestly, I have no skin in that game. All I can think is that people who are passionate about about deconverting others must be far less fatalistic than I am; they apparently think their efforts matter. I really don't. It doesn't matter to me what other people believe, they arent going to be punished for their incorrect beliefs, and hey, whatever helps them sleep through the night. I just want to be left alone
There is the problem that extreme theists can be anti science or pro uncontrolled population growth.
I want our efforts focused on our short to long term survival, perhaps a Star Trek future without the tv series need for enemies. Moderate theists could probably fit in, anyway I'm not convinced they can be de-converted without harsh means that contradict the desired end.
A scenario: You are the brilliant extraordinarily rich person you always knew you would be. Through science you barely look thirty even though you are four times that age. Your base of operations is on a Jupiter moon, the politics of Earth, the restrictions of the religious made it simpler to just move off shore.
Now the time has come to choose crew for a generation ship and settlers to be put on ice until they reach their destination. You've got say 5% theists in your organisation, do you filter religion out or send it out into the stars?
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 16, 2012, 04:36:32 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 16, 2012, 01:57:03 AM
My current Atheist agenda:
- Clean out fridge
- Finish reading a chapter in one of my textbooks
- Complete a list of topic ideas for the rest of the week and send them to my editor
- Put on jammies
- Watch Lost on Netflix
- Try to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Fail to refrain from binging on chocolate
- Maybe paint my toesies
That pretty much sums up my nefarious atheist schemes. At least before bedtime.
Couldn't a theist have this same agenda, what separates you from them?
Nothing in this instance. That's kinda my point. I can be an atheist without any "atheist goals". It doesn't change who I am.
yes you can be an atheist with no agenda but can you be an atheist with an agenda and if not what would you call that person?
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 16, 2012, 04:40:45 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
I was going to ask what am I, since I have the goal of deconverting the world...... but since you guys don't know a thing about me I'll tell you a little personal info........... let me know if it's not enough....... (cracks knuckles)
Some people describe themselves as anti-theist/theism.
Some would be against aspects of religion but don't adopt the designation.
How are you going to de-convert people?
It's very easy..... it depends on the person of course... I'll show you how if you give me an example of a theist
Quote from: ThinkAnarchy on May 16, 2012, 04:54:10 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
Yes but theists could also say they all believe in a god, and that is where the sameness ends. Yet millions of them not only think it's their goal to lead a good life, but to spread their beliefs (hence jehovah witness' knocking on your door)
Theism goes beyond simply the question of if there is a god. The bible, koran, and I would imagine the Book of Mormon teach beliefs that go beyond the question atheists have answered for themselves.
Religion does not attempt to answer one simple question, but many. Atheism deals simply with the question of god and the conclusion that their is no evidence to believe in one.
Each religion attempts to claim far more than what atheism does and they have ripped common threads from other religions. So of course there are similarities among them. Again, atheism is simply the conclusion there is no god. We make no other claims as atheists and any other views we share with other atheists are most likely rooted in political philosophy or something similar, not in our atheism.
There is no debate about the definition of atheism; it's very simple. No gods'.
yes but theism is different from religion, there are many types of theists, muslims, mormons, scientologists, etc... but the one thing that unifies them, or makes them all the same, is that they believe in god
There is no debate about the definition of theism; it's very simple. gods'.
Quote from: Recusant on May 16, 2012, 05:34:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
I was going to ask what am I, since I have the goal of deconverting the world...... but since you guys don't know a thing about me I'll tell you a little personal info........... let me know if it's not enough....... (cracks knuckles)
Given that "converting" and "de-converting" are two sides of the same coin, and that one of the definitions of evangelism is "militant or crusading zeal," your goal sounds remarkably like evangelism; just sayin'.
hmmm...... "evangelic atheist" I think I've found my new label ;D.......... what do you think? too christey?
Quote from: Recusant on May 16, 2012, 05:34:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
Without letting this devolve into a conversation about the definition of atheism.
Why do you feel there shouldn't (or as you said couldn't) be a goal to atheism, why not deconvert people.
It isn't about my feelings regarding the term, it's about accurate usage. It seems that you would like to add baggage the word. If you don't want this conversation to be about the definition of "atheism," then don't try to redefine it.
noted ::)
how about this:
Why did you
say there shouldn't (or as you said couldn't) be a goal to atheism, why not deconvert people?
Quote from: Recusant on May 16, 2012, 05:34:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
Do you not feel any responsibilty to spread "the doctrine that there is no deity".
No, I feel no responsibility in that direction. I consider atheism a doctrine only in the sense that it's a position on the existence of a god or gods. The generally understood meaning of "doctrine" as equivalent to "dogma" is not applicable, in my opinion.
So I can't redifine the word atheism but you can redefine the word doctrine, I see how it is ::)
doctrine is simply defined as "that which is taught", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine#Indoctrination
Let's not get into a long........... fruitless agrument about word definitions, don't you see your freinds and family making bad decisions based faulty religous beleifs? DO you not feel you're
able to deconvert people? DO you think that you don't have the right to deconvert people? Do you not see political decisions however small or large being made because of religion? People who vote based on religion?
Knowledge is power and with great power comes great responsibility..... :)
Quote from: Recusant on May 16, 2012, 05:34:44 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 16, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
Could I convert your kids to evangelical(-ism?) without you saying two words to them, about it?
The wording of this question is nebulous; would you mind clarifying what it is that you're asking me?
Alright let's try something a little less vague:
you have daughter, she meets man who is not very religous at first, you approve of him, and she marries him, they have a kid your first grandchild, once they have children her huband's mother starts preaching about church and and all that wonderful stuff, she not only convinces her son to go back to church, but convinces your daughter to go to the same church, and raise YOUR GRANDHILD as a protestant, catholic, or whatever. your daughter (still an athiest) wants to raise the children atheist, but because of the mother-in-law she feels she has no say in the matter.
What would you do?
Quote from: Ali on May 16, 2012, 05:48:06 AM
For me, I think the reason why I'm not trying to deconvert people is that unlike a theist I see no real problems with being wrong. Theists believe that those who are wrong are going to hell. That's a big motivator to try to convert people, they believe there're dire consequences for not believing. On the flipside I believe that there're consequences for believing in a false god, but those consequences mainly have to do with wasted time and energy. Being the pragmatist I am, I think that whatever people believe to bring some comfort and joy into their lives is probably okay. In the end what is it really matter? Right or wrong, they'll still be dead someday just like me. Why rob them of their small comforts? The only time I get antsy is when they want to push their beliefs on other people or write them into law. As long as they leave me alone, I'm content leave them alone because honestly, I have no skin in that game. All I can think is that people who are passionate about about deconverting others must be far less fatalistic than I am; they apparently think their efforts matter. I really don't. It doesn't matter to me what other people believe, they arent going to be punished for their incorrect beliefs, and hey, whatever helps them sleep through the night. I just want to be left alone
That is the point though..... these people effect your lives on a daily basis....example: the reason we have a crumbling education system in America is because religous fanatics hate public school and want everything to be private christian schools and if a good chunk of kids don't learn to read and write it won't matter because they would've "saved the souls" of so many
there's a million other situations abortion, gay rights, stem cell research, birth control, gun control, the tea party doesn't want small government they want theocracy.....
Don't you think it "would" be easier to deconvert people
before they go insane?
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 16, 2012, 06:37:29 AM
There is the problem that extreme theists can be anti science or pro uncontrolled population growth.
I want our efforts focused on our short to long term survival, perhaps a Star Trek future without the tv series need for enemies. Moderate theists could probably fit in, anyway I'm not convinced they can be de-converted without harsh means that contradict the desired end.
A scenario: You are the brilliant extraordinarily rich person you always knew you would be. Through science you barely look thirty even though you are four times that age. Your base of operations is on a Jupiter moon, the politics of Earth, the restrictions of the religious made it simpler to just move off shore.
Now the time has come to choose crew for a generation ship and settlers to be put on ice until they reach their destination. You've got say 5% theists in your organisation, do you filter religion out or send it out into the stars?
you filter it out, religion will die as soon as the followers start dieing faster they can convert or give birth to new ones, you don't see many people building Thor statues anymore do you?
Atheism will never die.......... no matter how many of us you "get rid of"
Of course an individual atheist can have an agenda. But you originally posed the question as what is atheisms unified mission. What should we all hope to accomplish. At least that is what I gathered from your initial posts, and I imagine that is how others read it as well.
From post #57
QuoteWhat is the goal of atheism? After we deconvert the world, what is the goal afterwards?
From post #64
QuoteWhat do you mean by "there is no goal in atheism"?
I realize I likely won't get an answer to this question, but how old are you? We still don't have any idea who we are talking with.
forgive me if i'm wrong, but i'm starting to think that its the 'coming together' of atheists on forums such as this, that make harte.beest think that there must be a cause. it's possible i guess that he hasnt seen the affects being an atheist has on people, how people are treated when they stand up for what they believe (or dont believe) in. he might not see the important of just meeting like this for the camaraderie, rather than for an actual cause.
i also think that 'de-converting' people is no better than the over-zealous relgious types. whatever my idea of the world is, i dont think i have a right to shove it down anyone's neck. share ideas of course, but no shoving.
as for harte.beest's posts, i cant help but feel that sometimes you mis-read something and run away with the idea you've developed in yr head. recusant didnt 'call' you an evangelical, he said yr idea of deconverting everyone sounded evangelical.
i think as atheists, and as humans, its our job to stand up for other humans when they are being abused, taken advantage of, etc etc. people should be able to make their own mistakes, thats life, so long as no-one else is negatively affected. thats not deconverting, thats just standing up for what it right, and kind, and caring.
Until such time as hartebeest stops obfuscating and begins to answer questions directed to him/her, I am requesting that other members refrain from posting new questions or engaging him/her in further discussion. hartebeest, I am giving you a board warning to stop the talk of killing theists, period. You have not yet demonstrated that you are simply not trolling. You will be limited to posting in the "Getting to Know You" section of the forum until I feel confident that you are going to respond to the directions of the moderating staff and can post responsibly and in accordance with forums rules and guidelines.
Quote from: kitty on May 16, 2012, 10:23:43 AM
forgive me if i'm wrong, but i'm starting to think that its the 'coming together' of atheists on forums such as this, that make harte.beest think that there must be a cause. it's possible i guess that he hasnt seen the affects being an atheist has on people, how people are treated when they stand up for what they believe (or dont believe) in. he might not see the important of just meeting like this for the camaraderie, rather than for an actual cause.
i also think that 'de-converting' people is no better than the over-zealous relgious types. whatever my idea of the world is, i dont think i have a right to shove it down anyone's neck. share ideas of course, but no shoving.
as for harte.beest's posts, i cant help but feel that sometimes you mis-read something and run away with the idea you've developed in yr head. recusant didnt 'call' you an evangelical, he said yr idea of deconverting everyone sounded evangelical.
i think as atheists, and as humans, its our job to stand up for other humans when they are being abused, taken advantage of, etc etc. people should be able to make their own mistakes, thats life, so long as no-one else is negatively affected. thats not deconverting, thats just standing up for what it right, and kind, and caring.
I think that deserve your first 'Orson'
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^^^ love that! And ditto, kitty.
aw thanks! i'm touched lol
#blows kisses and curtsies
and ditto to McQ
I've been watching this thread closely, never seen one quite like it. Nicely handled HAF.
Quote from: technolud on May 16, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
I've been watching this thread closely, never seen one quite like it. Nicely handled HAF.
me too. been interesting.
Quote from: technolud on May 16, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
I've been watching this thread closely, never seen one quite like it. Nicely handled HAF.
We had a similar one a while back with a theist named Egor. It was pretty entertaining.
In the good old days of HAF, now would be the right time to start talking about shampoos.
Quote from: Tom62 on May 17, 2012, 04:29:49 AM
In the good old days of HAF, now would be the right time to start talking about shampoos.
Mine smells like mint.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on May 17, 2012, 04:37:41 AM
Quote from: Tom62 on May 17, 2012, 04:29:49 AM
In the good old days of HAF, now would be the right time to start talking about shampoos.
Mine smells like mint.
Herbal Essences here!
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Just regular old Head and Shoulders for me. Just glad I still have lots of hair at this age :)
Quote from: Firebird on May 17, 2012, 06:49:19 AM
Just regular old Head and Shoulders for me. Just glad I still have lots of hair at this age :)
Same here. It works wonders.
sings *i'm gonna wash that man right outta my hair*
It feels like the "The Ultimate Thread Derail Game" is somehow overtaking the entire forum!
^ That's a derail! :o
Yay, another derail.
Quote from: Amicale on May 17, 2012, 05:58:16 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on May 17, 2012, 04:37:41 AM
Quote from: Tom62 on May 17, 2012, 04:29:49 AM
In the good old days of HAF, now would be the right time to start talking about shampoos.
Mine smells like mint.
Herbal Essences here!
I flip between kerastase Homme and Sachajuan, they are the best shampoos ever and turn my blow about hair into easy to style, wind resistant goodness.
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I use this stuff. It smells like mint and makes my hair really clean and soft.
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My hair has been really dry/frizzy lately. Ottawa is a lot sunnier/dryer than back home, so I think that has something to do with it. I think I need a new conditioner or something. Maybe some kind of treatment? I'm open to suggestions.
Ask BH what she shampoos her horse with. It always looks lovely and shiny.
Quote from: OldGit on May 17, 2012, 02:16:43 PM
Ask BH what she shampoos her horse with. It always looks lovely and shiny.
But so do you, why be so modest.
Ah I see cunning misdirection, you want to keep the secret to yourself.
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Quote from: OldGit on May 17, 2012, 02:16:43 PM
Ask BH what she shampoos her horse with. It always looks lovely and shiny.
Honestly, I use this stuff called Cowboy Magic. It works on both horses and people. When I go to weekend shows it's what I use. Works better than any shampoo I've ever used. Another horsey product I have used and liked was M-T-G. It is a leave in conditioner that you put in once a week. I used it when I accidentally lit part of my hair on fire and had to cut most of it off. I had 4 inches of growth in a month. It does smell like barbecue though. But it worked on both me and my horse. The Cowboy Magic is worth its weight in gold though.
I just kinda let water run through it and massage the roots with the tips of my fingers...I do this about an hour, and I have fairly short hair. Gives me a kind of rough, coarse-threaded look to go with me lumberjack beard. ;D
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 13, 2012, 05:09:41 AM
Quote from: harte.beest on May 13, 2012, 04:54:36 AM
Sir, is this the shrubbery you request, Sir?
No that isn't nice at all.
Don't make me say...
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I love it! You folks make me laugh out loud every time!
QuoteDefine "poor driving".
Anything Californians consider normal.
I guess I'm lucky being in Salem and all. It's about 45 minutes away. Though I admit you can forget how...overbearing religious folk can be if you don't leave the state for awhile.
Quote from: Tanker on June 06, 2012, 09:51:18 PM
QuoteDefine "poor driving".
Anything Californians consider normal.
This So. Californian considers it normal to not crash...
QuoteThis So. Californian considers it normal to not crash...
You all drive like you're
trying not to crash, yes i would agree.
Quote from: Tanker on June 07, 2012, 01:06:17 AM
QuoteThis So. Californian considers it normal to not crash...
You all drive like you're trying not to crash, yes i would agree.
You've met us all?
QuoteCalifornian considers it normal to not crash...
You speak for all Californians?
Just to be clear I lived in Cali for 7 years and have family and friends I visit there. So I'm not just hateing.