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Started by Ecurb Noselrub, January 07, 2017, 08:56:13 PM

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Ecurb Noselrub

Going to Mission, Texas next Saturday to march in a Sierra Club protest against the wall. 7 hour drive, but if no action is taken Trump will try to build this stupid thing.  I'll report when I return.

Icarus

Bruce relax a bit. He ain't gonna' build no damned wall. He knows it, we know it, and congress is not about to throw money at something as preposterous as that. For sure the Mexicans are not going to pay for it either.

Enjoy the trip to the Sierra club gathering. You will have an opportunity to meet some good people who care a lot about preserving our planet.  Building a wall would be an immediate threat to wildlife among other things.

I am also a member of the Sierra club.  I am not a fanatical tree hugger but I do care about the trees and more. 

Ecurb Noselrub

Quote from: Icarus on August 05, 2017, 09:47:08 PM
Bruce relax a bit. He ain't gonna' build no damned wall. He knows it, we know it, and congress is not about to throw money at something as preposterous as that. For sure the Mexicans are not going to pay for it either.

Enjoy the trip to the Sierra club gathering. You will have an opportunity to meet some good people who care a lot about preserving our planet.  Building a wall would be an immediate threat to wildlife among other things.

I am also a member of the Sierra club.  I am not a fanatical tree hugger but I do care about the trees and more.

I wish I shared your optimism, but a billion has already been appropriated for prototypes and such, and my Senator, Cornyn, is introducing a bill that will provide funding for at least some barrier.  Pressure must be applied where possible.

xSilverPhinx

Talk about money ill spent...a pharaonic project to massage the orange guy's ego.
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Arturo

Idk a billion dollars next how many hundereds of trillions to build the thing??? But yes, I still support you Bruce. Go team!
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Sandra Craft

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on August 05, 2017, 09:24:27 PM
Going to Mission, Texas next Saturday to march in a Sierra Club protest against the wall. 7 hour drive, but if no action is taken Trump will try to build this stupid thing.  I'll report when I return.

I understand the thing is now supposed to be transparent, so people aren't hit unaware by flying bags of drugs. 
Sandy

  

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Arturo

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on August 06, 2017, 05:06:16 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on August 05, 2017, 09:24:27 PM
Going to Mission, Texas next Saturday to march in a Sierra Club protest against the wall. 7 hour drive, but if no action is taken Trump will try to build this stupid thing.  I'll report when I return.

I understand the thing is now supposed to be transparent, so people aren't hit unaware by flying bags of drugs.

Lol what? Do they think people are just going to throw over drugs when they "apparently have a massive cave system under the entire United States"?

Do they also expect it to last any sort of weather or any sort of explosion lol


Where did you hear this anyway?
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Sandra Craft

Quote from: Arturo on August 06, 2017, 05:25:33 AM
Lol what? Do they think people are just going to throw over drugs when they "apparently have a massive cave system under the entire United States"?

Do they also expect it to last any sort of weather or any sort of explosion lol


Where did you hear this anyway?

Trump, where else?  drugs will be thrown over border wall
Sandy

  

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Dave

And, as has been said, watch for peak explosives sales/theft in that region.
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Arturo

Quote from: Gloucester on August 06, 2017, 07:52:26 AM
And, as has been said, watch for peak explosives sales/theft in that region.

This is different than the Berlin wall because I think now people have access to and knowledge of home made explosives.
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Dave

Quote from: Arturo on August 06, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on August 06, 2017, 07:52:26 AM
And, as has been said, watch for peak explosives sales/theft in that region.

This is different than the Berlin wall because I think now people have access to and knowledge of home made explosives.

OK, just watch out for big bangs then! If not to pass drugs or people through then to attract the border guards' attention from where they are doing so. Gonna depend on the nature of the barrier though.

Billions that could save lives all for one man's distorted ego!
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xSilverPhinx

I don't know about explosives, what better way to signal to border patrol that you're trying to cross illegally? Might as well add in some loud, colourful fireworks if wanting to enter the US explosive style. ;D

As Gloucester said, explosives be used as a distraction. They could also be used just to destroy parts of the Wall for the sake of vandalizing and make Trump pour even more money into rebuilding it.  :devil: Maybe that's the only way to get him to regret building it once he does -- depleting public coffers to maintain such a silly thing.

Now, underground tunnels...that's a whole different matter. If I wanted to open a shady business escorting people across the wall I would invest in one of those. :smilenod: Could be a long time before anyone even notices.
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Dave

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Quote from: xSilverPhinx on August 06, 2017, 04:07:35 PM
I don't know about explosives, what better way to signal to border patrol that you're trying to cross illegally? Might as well add in some loud, colourful fireworks if wanting to enter the US explosive style. ;D

As Gloucester said, explosives be used as a distraction. They could also be used just to destroy parts of the Wall for the sake of vandalizing and make Trump pour even more money into rebuilding it.  :devil: Maybe that's the only way to get him to regret building it once he does -- depleting public coffers to maintain such a silly thing.

Now, underground tunnels...that's a whole different matter. If I wanted to open a shady business escorting people across the wall I would invest in one of those. :smilenod: Could be a long time before anyone even notices.

I thought about the nuisance value of vandalism as well!

As for tunnels: not quite the same scenario but the Israelis might build underground barriers sgsinst tge tunnels fron the Sinai. Seem to remember them using "bunker buster" or "earthquake" bombs as well. As I say, different terrain and shorter border there. That and the Israelis, basically, don't care who they piss off or kill - providing they are not Israelis.

Betcha there are some sophisticated sticks around - solar powered, poke them in the ground and they will pick up ground vibrations from many metres away. These could be made cheaply in the thousands these days, er, by the Chinese . . . Not sure how useful satellites might be at picking up surface vibration in sandy or vegetated areas.
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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Gloucester on August 06, 2017, 05:05:55 PM
I thought about the nuisance value of vandalism as well!

As for tunnels: not quite the same scenario but the Israelis might build underground barriers sgsinst tge tunnels fron the Sinai. Seem to remember them using "bunker buster" or "earthquake" bombs as well. As I say, different terrain and shorter border there. That and the Israelis, basically, don't care who they piss off or kill - providing they are not Israelis.

Betcha there are some sophisticated sticks around - solar powered, poke them in the ground and they will pick up ground vibrations from many metres away. These could be made cheaply in the thousands these days, er, by the Chinese . . . Not sure how useful satellites might be at picking up surface vibration in sandy or vegetated areas.

Some form of density sonar of sorts could probably find an underground shaft, but agents would have to cross the wall onto the Mexican side and scour the land for those, or maybe send a drone. I don't think the Mexicans would be too happy about that, others invading their lands or airspace, especially since the Wall is such a hostile symbol more than anything else.

Who knows what hi-tech military satellites can do these days...it's possible that they may be able to sense something relevant with ultra secret sensors. :tellmemore:

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Arturo

They say the tunnels are owned by the cartels. I don't know if that's true and I'm sure that they don't go nearly as far as they say they do.
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