Hillary or Bernie

[Tom62]

From my understanding, it's not so much that they agree with him or like him (the intelligent ones) it's that they're sick and tired of politicians, and he clearly isn't one.

-Nam

I think that you (and Claire) are absolutely right. Republicans are also in favour of a "strong" president, someone who is able to "rule" the free world and who doesn't tolerate BS. Basically, they will go for the top alpha male. Donald Trump fits their bill perfectly. Soft spoken, sympathetic, intelligent and thoughtful people, like Bernie or Obama don't stand a chance in their eyes.

[jumbojak]

Would you still vote for her if she ends up the nominee?

Probably not. I'm not a democrat so I don't have the party loyalty to drag me along and I'm not so scared of the Republicans that I would be likely to vote for the lesser of two weasels just to keep them out. Not yet anyway...

[Nam]

From my understanding, it's not so much that they agree with him or like him (the intelligent ones) it's that they're sick and tired of politicians, and he clearly isn't one.

-Nam

I think that you (and Claire) are absolutely right. Republicans are also in favour of a "strong" president, someone who is able to "rule" the free world and who doesn't tolerate BS. Basically, they will go for the top alpha male. Donald Trump fits their bill perfectly. Soft spoken, sympathetic, intelligent and thoughtful people, like Bernie or Obama don't stand a chance in their eyes.

Trump isn't so intelligent if he alienates the people he does business with.

-Nam

[Nam]

Would you still vote for her if she ends up the nominee?

Probably not. I'm not a democrat so I don't have the party loyalty to drag me along and I'm not so scared of the Republicans that I would be likely to vote for the lesser of two weasels just to keep them out. Not yet anyway...

Democrats aren't loyal, if they were they wouldn't vote in Republicans in states they mainly control. Democrats haven't been loyal since the change (Southern Democrats becoming Republicans).

-Nam

[Icarus]

Our president has two jobs. One of them is scary. He/she is the president and also the Commander in Chief.  The CIC is the scary part if we elect a less than certifiably rational individual with diplomacy bona fides.

[Pasta Chick]

My fear is less of Trump as an individual - I think if elected, he'll blunder around a lot, make a lot noise, push some self-serving BS that has nothing to do with any of his promises, and generally be blocked by more rational people at most turns.

I'm more afraid of the vindication it will give his supporters, who are some seriously twisted individuals.

[Firebird]

My fear is less of Trump as an individual - I think if elected, he'll blunder around a lot, make a lot noise, push some self-serving BS that has nothing to do with any of his promises, and generally be blocked by more rational people at most turns.

That didn't stop Bush from going into Iraq

[Nam]

My fear is less of Trump as an individual - I think if elected, he'll blunder around a lot, make a lot noise, push some self-serving BS that has nothing to do with any of his promises, and generally be blocked by more rational people at most turns.

That didn't stop Bush from going into Iraq

You mean Cheney.



-Nam

[Tom62]

I think that Bernie is more sympathetic than Hillary. I would however not vote for him (if I could), because he is too much of a socialist.

[Biggus Dickus]

I am fearful of Republicans, especially when they say things like Sen. Joni Ernst, a Republican from Iowa.

She said, We are looking at ways to get the poor off Obamacare right now. The problem is once people have something they don't want to give it up. Liberals try to cherry pick the Bible and what Jesus taught to justify this. They want you to believe Jesus loved the poor. Jesus said himself in Matthew 25:30, the unprofitable servants should be thrown into hell.Is stealing healthcare form those who can afford it really worth your souls being cast into everlasting darkness?

The poor are deserving of hell? (If such a place existed), but it's more the notion that she would dehumanize, and think them worthless...

Or more importantly as an American I sit here in utter confusion watching the ugliest, and darkest forces of our nation (KKK for example) rally behind the demagogue that is Donald Trump with his calls for more severe torture, and I can start to understand how the middle east is in the shape it is in.

Many people don't care about the disgusting things he say's because they support those very ideas....

Trump supporters in S. Carolina were polled:
38% said they wish the south had won the civil war,
31% said they would support a ban on Gay people entering the US.
80% would support banning Muslims from entering US
...and 44% said they want the religion itself to be illegal to practice in the US
AND...16% said they believe whites are the superior race, another 14% weren't fucking sure.

(Source: Public Policy Polling's Feb 16th poll of GOP voters in S. Carolina)

So yes I'll vote democratic no matter who's chosen, but my thoughts on who that should be are based solely on who I think will have a better chance at winning,  I currently believe that is Clinton.

[Davin]

I'm thinking that I'll probably vote for Bernie even if Hillary wins the nomination.

[Firebird]

Would you still vote for her if she ends up the nominee?

Probably not. I'm not a democrat so I don't have the party loyalty to drag me along and I'm not so scared of the Republicans that I would be likely to vote for the lesser of two weasels just to keep them out. Not yet anyway...

I'm thinking that I'll probably vote for Bernie even if Hillary wins the nomination.

I have to admit you guys saying this scares me, exactly for the reasons Bruno laid out, and others. Hillary pisses me off too, but the alternatives are so much worse. Hell, if Trump or any of these other idealogues get elected, I'm legitimately concerned that my Turkish in-laws might be refused entry to visit us  because they come from a Muslim country, Don't laugh, they could easily restrict the number of tourist visas in the name of "safety".

I'm voting for Bernie tomorrow, but if it's Hillary as the nominee, then I'm absolutely voting for her. Please consider the potential consequences otherwise.

[Sandra Craft]

I'm voting for Bernie tomorrow, but if it's Hillary as the nominee, then I'm absolutely voting for her. Please consider the potential consequences otherwise.

Yeah, I prefer Sanders' politics and history, but if Clinton gets the nod I have no heartburn voting for her.  Still wish Elizabeth Warren were running tho.

[Icarus]

Books, the thing is that Elizabeth is way too smart to run for president.  She is one of my favorite pols because she is not a member of the good ole boys contingent. Besides that, she can be a gentile lady and a firebrand at the same time.

[jumbojak]

I'm thinking that I'll probably vote for Bernie even if Hillary wins the nomination.

That crossed my mind too. It'd be a better showing than just not voting in November. Might help to get the point across.