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Started by viocjit, February 11, 2018, 08:20:04 PM

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viocjit

Hello ! I'm a French and I heard that generally people don't care if you're a believer or not if you live in England , Northen Ireland (IN MY KNOWLEDGE IN THIS CONSTITUTIVE NATION OF UK WE MUST AVOID TO ASK IF THE PERSON IS CATHOLIC OR PROTESTANT) , Scotland or Wales.

Of course , that depend of zones but generally in continental UK Atheists are tolerated by the population if I'm not saying bullocks.

But I'd like to know how Atheists are generally considered by the major part of the population in Bristish crown dependencies and BOT.

Full list of British crown dependencies (NAMES GIVEN BY ALPHABETICAL ORDER IN THEIRS ENGLISH NAMES) :

NOTE : You can use Wikipedia to know more about these areas.

1.Bailiwick of Jersey

2.Bailiwick of Guernsey

3.Isle of Man

Full list of UK overseas territories (NAMES GIVEN BY ALPHABETICAL ORDER IN THEIRS ENGLISH NAMES) :

NOTE : Some of these places are claimed by others states than United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This list doesn't means that I support any claim by UK or another state.
You can use Wikipedia to know more about these areas.


1.Anguilla

2.Bermuda

3.British Antarctic Territory
NOTE : This place is not permanently inhabited by theirs inhabitants.

4.British Indian Ocean Territory
NOTE : Only UK , US military personnel and associated contractors live there.

5.British Virgin Islands

6.Cayman Islands

7.Falkland Islands

8.Gibraltar

9.Montserrat

10.Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands

11.Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha

12.South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
NOTE : Inhabited only by officials and researchers.

13.Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia
NOTE : There are two military bases.

14.Turks and Caicos Islands

Tank

The best way to find this out is to look at the profiles of the places on Wikipedia and see what there religious make up is.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

No one

Tank:
The best way to find this out is to look at the profiles of the places on Wikipedia and see what there religious make up is.

Don't you mean made up religions?

Icarus

Viocjit, most of those places that you mention are rather remote territories insofar as the main body of populations are concerned.  China for example, is the most populous country on earth and they have only a single digit percentage of followers of deistic religions.  The Chinese do conform somewhat to the Confucian way of thought but there is no deity in that concept.  Buddhists too occupy a large proportion of the worlds population.  Buddhists have no single deity as monotheists do. You can not label either of them atheists but they simply have no singular god figure or any supernatural god figure at all.

The United states has a sizeable population, currently  something on the order of 350 million. At one time a vast majority of our people were Christians or the catholic division of Christianity.  Over time we have steadily lost our  dedication to the Jesus figure. At this time some 40% of our population describe themselves as "nones".  That description is to imply that those people when asked about their religious participation answers "none".  They simply do not go to church or other religious ceremonies.  That is not to imply that they are non believers. Many of the Nones do believe in the god figure.  Somewhere near 20 percent of us are actual atheists or at least agnostics.

Go south of our continental border to Mexico, Guatemala, and then into Central America of Honduras, Nicarauga, Costa Rica, El Salvadore, you find a larger percentage of the people to be dedicated to the Catholic faith.   Island nations like Haiti have some vastly different takes on religion.  It is not uncommon for a sizeable proportion of Haitians to practice Voodoo. For them, there are demons who can be banished by burning sacrifices of goats, chickens and in rare cases humans, or the use of potent medicines like Marajuana.

The much shorter answer would be that the human race is  fucked up with various, too often conflicting, closely held beliefs that transcend any semblance of rational thought.  The emergence of non belief, atheism if you prefer, is alive and well among the more educated countries.  It may take a hundred or more years for the majority of the human race to abandon the unsubstantiated beliefs in some kind of superior, omnipotent, being who lives someplace in the far reaches of our universe. In the meantime the more developed and educated countries are less and less inclined toward some kind of religious faith.   It seems, curiously, that the counties in more northern latitudes are less interested in organized religions.................   


Tank

Quote from: No one on February 11, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
Tank:
The best way to find this out is to look at the profiles of the places on Wikipedia and see what there religious make up is.

Don't you mean made up religions?
That too  :grin:
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

This caught my eye "generally in continental UK Atheists are tolerated by the population". It is now the case that theists are tollerated by the population. People who express theistic views outside of their church/temple/mosque/synagog are generally consideres  to be generally odd.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Dave

Some interesting American findings here

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

QuoteA survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public.1 Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.

I was trying to find data on national religiosity, education and scientific achievement. There could be a chicken and egg thing here: does lower religiosity promote greater scientific education/achievement or did (say) the rise of interest in science since the Enlightenment promote agnosticism and atheism? I tend to think it was the latter. However Italy could be interesting to look at closely in this respect.

I also think there is a sort of "phlegmatism gradient" from north to south - or possibly from cold to warm. The Nordic and Germanic/Anglo-Saxon peoples seem to tend to be less emotionally volatile than the "Latin", Muslim and many other religious groups. The southern "cold" part of the Earth is less populated and was somewhat less advanced in the sciences until colonisation imported beliefs, knowledge and temperaments from elsewhere.

This is just a personal theory.
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.
Passed Monday 10th Dec 2018 age 74

viocjit

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2018, 08:58:35 PM
The best way to find this out is to look at the profiles of the places on Wikipedia and see what there religious make up is.

The wikipedia articles about these places speak only about main belief in these places and nothing about religious tolerance.

Quote from: Icarus on February 12, 2018, 03:39:22 AM
Viocjit, most of those places that you mention are rather remote territories insofar as the main body of populations are concerned.  China for example, is the most populous country on earth and they have only a single digit percentage of followers of deistic religions.  The Chinese do conform somewhat to the Confucian way of thought but there is no deity in that concept.  Buddhists too occupy a large proportion of the worlds population.  Buddhists have no single deity as monotheists do. You can not label either of them atheists but they simply have no singular god figure or any supernatural god figure at all.

The United states has a sizeable population, currently  something on the order of 350 million. At one time a vast majority of our people were Christians or the catholic division of Christianity.  Over time we have steadily lost our  dedication to the Jesus figure. At this time some 40% of our population describe themselves as "nones".  That description is to imply that those people when asked about their religious participation answers "none".  They simply do not go to church or other religious ceremonies.  That is not to imply that they are non believers. Many of the Nones do believe in the god figure.  Somewhere near 20 percent of us are actual atheists or at least agnostics.

Go south of our continental border to Mexico, Guatemala, and then into Central America of Honduras, Nicarauga, Costa Rica, El Salvadore, you find a larger percentage of the people to be dedicated to the Catholic faith.   Island nations like Haiti have some vastly different takes on religion.  It is not uncommon for a sizeable proportion of Haitians to practice Voodoo. For them, there are demons who can be banished by burning sacrifices of goats, chickens and in rare cases humans, or the use of potent medicines like Marajuana.

The much shorter answer would be that the human race is  fucked up with various, too often conflicting, closely held beliefs that transcend any semblance of rational thought.  The emergence of non belief, atheism if you prefer, is alive and well among the more educated countries.  It may take a hundred or more years for the majority of the human race to abandon the unsubstantiated beliefs in some kind of superior, omnipotent, being who lives someplace in the far reaches of our universe. In the meantime the more developed and educated countries are less and less inclined toward some kind of religious faith.   It seems, curiously, that the counties in more northern latitudes are less interested in organized religions.................

I say you thanks for this long answer.

Quote from: Tank on February 12, 2018, 06:30:22 AM
This caught my eye "generally in continental UK Atheists are tolerated by the population". It is now the case that theists are tollerated by the population. People who express theistic views outside of their church/temple/mosque/synagog are generally consideres  to be generally odd.

I already know it because I read about this topic.