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Philosophy / Re: The why factor.
« Last post by Essie Mae on Today at 04:17:09 PM »
I and going to posit that there is no functional difference between the establishments of religion and scientific endeavour and that they both have their origin in "The why factor". I very much doubt that this is original but I have never posed the idea to myself in quite this way before.

Human curiosity, the need to explain, to know, is inherent and the learning curve about the nature of all physical things is exponential, up to limit of sustainability of life the growth in human population increases the "volume" of human experience and knowledge and simultaneous discovery plus replication adds confidence.

Yet religion, effectively, stagnates - "The why factor", in terms of the investigation of the natural universe, is almost antithetical to established thought. The, "Why, God, do you allow the innocent to suffer?" question may be a direct challenge if voiced by a believer.

Yet the seeking of reasons for natural phenomena seems likely to have been the origins of both modes of thought regarding the irigin and nsture of Universe. The difference is the huge, and growing, body of corroborative evidence compared to that stagnation mentioned above. Theological investigation is inherently introspective, the number of angels on a pin's point rather than the evolution and biology of the angels and the origin of the pin.

Some of the ‘why’ brigade employed unbiased observation, studies and experimentation, (not saying they were perfect), while the others just made up explanations which could also conveniently be used for control and power. Those explanations have been refined over the centuries by some brilliant and devious minds; no wonder it has lasted so long.

Oh, I think the control and power possibly came quite early if the basic ancient psychology was anything like ours. As soon as someone realises there is any kind of fear in his, or her, fellows then that fear will be used as a tool to dominate. Certainly a lot of power juggling went on between the clergy and the rulers from early CE; Thomas a Beckett being the iconic story, with Henry VIII for afters.

Stonehenge is a fairly good example of the early blend of religion and science, woo plus seeking reality. The Moon and Sun were critical elements in existence, they were the calendar and the life giver. Recording, plotting and then predicting their motions was a real boon, wish I could meet the men who developed that instrument.

Me too. The general population must have thought these people’s, (might have been women too!), predictive abilities supernatural.
This is the lens:

I'm not sure on the exposure. The darker photo was taken in manual mode and I'm still figuring out how to use this thing. Whatever I had it set to seemed to work reasonably well.

As I've said I use the free Faststone image viewer, if you press the letter I key you get an attributes window.

Yes, the EXIF data are stored automatically in the JPG and NEF files.
This is the lens:

I'm not sure on the exposure. The darker photo was taken in manual mode and I'm still figuring out how to use this thing. Whatever I had it set to seemed to work reasonably well.

As I've said I use the free Faststone image viewer, if you press the letter I key you get an attributes window.

Laid Back Lounge / Re: Imsomniacal mental meanderings
« Last post by xSilverPhinx on Today at 08:59:58 AM »
So I slept all day today and stayed up all night (it's 4:59 in the morning). Not much thinking going on at these hours, just working.
Laid Back Lounge / Re: What are you Eating right now?
« Last post by xSilverPhinx on Today at 08:58:10 AM »
Ravioli. There's a special place in my heart for Italian food.

Left pastatrium?

My heart is a gnocchi with spaghetti vessels. :love:
Laid Back Lounge / Re: Atheist Image Dump II
« Last post by Tank on Today at 06:31:20 AM »
Current Events / Re: Pretty Much All People Are Good
« Last post by Icarus on Today at 12:40:11 AM »
Do we have an emoji that demonstrates a satisfied belch, lion or otherwise?
Media / HAF Book Club: August poll and discussion
« Last post by Sandra Craft on July 16, 2018, 11:05:21 PM »
[It looks like we're starting to run low on fiction -- anybody have some suggestions?]

All the Light We Cannot See, by Anthony Doerr
Marie-Laure lives in Paris near the Museum of Natural History, where her father works. When she is twelve, the Nazis occupy Paris and father and daughter flee to the walled citadel of Saint-Malo, where Marie-Laure’s reclusive great uncle lives in a tall house by the sea. With them they carry what might be the museum’s most valuable and dangerous jewel.

In a mining town in Germany, Werner Pfennig, an orphan, grows up with his younger sister, enchanted by a crude radio they find that brings them news and stories from places they have never seen or imagined. Werner becomes an expert at building and fixing these crucial new instruments and is enlisted to use his talent to track down the resistance. Deftly interweaving the lives of Marie-Laure and Werner, Doerr illuminates the ways, against all odds, people try to be good to one another.

And the Mountains Echoed, by Khaled Hosseini
In this tale revolving around not just parents and children but brothers and sisters, cousins and caretakers, Hosseini explores the many ways in which families nurture, wound, betray, honor, and sacrifice for one another; and how often we are surprised by the actions of those closest to us, at the times that matter most. Following its characters and the ramifications of their lives and choices and loves around the globe—from Kabul to Paris to San Francisco to the Greek island of Tinos—the story expands gradually outward, becoming more emotionally complex and powerful with each turning page.

Dark Intelligence, by Neal Asher
Thorvald Spear has been brought back from the dead. Killed a century earlier by Penny Royal, an unstable AI who turned rogue in the middle of a human versus alien war, the resurrected Spear has one thing on his mind: revenge.  Crime lord Isobel Satomi got more than she bargained for when she struck a deal with Penny Royal. Turning part-AI herself gave her frightening power, but the upgrade came with horrifying repercussions—and it’s turning Isobel into something far from human.  Spear hires Isobel to track down Penny Royal, but as she continues her metamorphosis, it’s clear that Isobel’s monstrous transformations will eventually become uncontrollable. Will Spear finish his hunt before becoming the hunted?

The Glass Bead Game, by Hermann Hesse
Set in the 23rd century, The Glass Bead Game is the story of Joseph Knecht, who has been raised in Castalia, the remote place his society has provided for the intellectual elite to grow and flourish. Since childhood, Knecht has been consumed with mastering the Glass Bead Game, which requires a synthesis of aesthetics and scientific arts, such as mathematics, music, logic, and philosophy, which he achieves in adulthood, becoming a Magister Ludi (Master of the Game).

The Yiddish Policemen’s Union, by Michael Chabon
For sixty years Jewish refugees and their descendants have prospered in the Federal District of Sitka, a "temporary" safe haven created in the wake of the Holocaust and the shocking 1948 collapse of the fledgling state of Israel. The Jews of the Sitka District have created their own little world in the Alaskan panhandle, a vibrant and complex frontier city that moves to the music of Yiddish. But now the District is set to revert to Alaskan control, and their dream is coming to an end.

Science / Technology innovation and aerospace initiatives in the UK.
« Last post by Dave on July 16, 2018, 09:27:05 PM »
There are two items that very much interested me announced today, the first was a fund to promote innitiative in certain areas of technology and the second was three possible "space ports".

The government initiatives fund first:
Developing game-changing business innovations: apply for funding
Organisations can apply for a share of up to £20 million to support development of innovative technologies that could provide economic growth for the UK.

20 million is not a lot but it's an addition to the other funding that seems to be available for specific fields.

The space ports, Cape Kennedy it ain't but...:

One giant leap: Vertical launch spaceport to bring UK into new space age
The UK is set to build on its world leading expertise in aerospace with the development of vertical and horizontal spaceports.

Virgin are set to develop an aircraft assisted rocket launch facility in Cornwall:

Virgin Orbit plans future rocket launches from the UK
Small launcher company Virgin Orbit is taking some of its rocket launches to the UK. The company, a spinoff of space tourism venture Virgin Galactic, announced today that it is aiming to conduct missions of its new rocket, LauncherOne, from the Cornwall Airport Newquay on the southern tip of England by 2021. That will give Virgin Orbit at least two places to launch from — including its primary site in Mojave, California — as the company continues to search for other takeoff locations.

There may ve something similar in Wales.

Now, if they could just launch a few space cleaners to make room for all the new satellites and orbits safer for tourists . . .
Politics / Re: Duke of Bullshit: "The" Donald
« Last post by joeactor on July 16, 2018, 09:23:57 PM »
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