Sounds like what happens when you exhaust your body of fuel and then send it into overtime. Lots of chemicals going around.
Plus George Foreman got his head rattled around a lot. Right?
What do you think are the odds from this that hell is real?
I've told you I have had an NDE and can explain it. You singularly ignored me last time. Are you going to ignore me again?
Sounds like what happens when you exhaust your body of fuel and then send it into overtime. Lots of chemicals going around.
Plus George Foreman got his head rattled around a lot. Right?
yes, but the fact that so many of these reports of hell are so similar with dakrness, until a person calls to God or Jesus for help scares me, I have read 4-5 reports that sound so similar. What do you think are the odds from this that hell is real?
What do you think are the odds from this that hell is real?I'd bet my eternal soul for all eternity that hell does not exist.
I've told you I have had an NDE and can explain it. You singularly ignored me last time. Are you going to ignore me again?
I think we should all ignore him; perhaps he'll go away and stop wasting the time of people who respond in good faith.
This thread by manga looks an awful lot like this other thread on a totally different forum by pork222. ::)
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This thread by manga looks an awful lot like this other thread on a totally different forum by pork222. ::)
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Do pork and mango go well together? :notsure:
manga, believe whatever you want as is doesn't seem you actually wish to entertain explanations for the phenomena you are discussing. You seem to be more driven by confirmation bias. If you want to believe in life after death, heaven, hell, and so forth, fine but don't keep coming here and wasting people's time with the above discussion pattern. It's ridiculous and frustrating.
This thread by manga looks an awful lot like this other thread on a totally different forum by pork222. ::)
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Do pork and mango go well together? :notsure:
But what if manga believes in the wrong god? In the wrong version of Xtianity? Then manga is still going to hell!manga, believe whatever you want as is doesn't seem you actually wish to entertain explanations for the phenomena you are discussing. You seem to be more driven by confirmation bias. If you want to believe in life after death, heaven, hell, and so forth, fine but don't keep coming here and wasting people's time with the above discussion pattern. It's ridiculous and frustrating.
manga's explanation of his behavior has been that he doesn't want to believe in Hell, but he's so terrified of the thought of it that he can't stop worrying about it maybe being real.
In addition to therapy, which I think is an excellent and practical idea, some of us have suggested just going along with Xtianity and taking whatever steps they recommend to avoid Hell. He'll still be obsessed but with any luck he'll be less frightened, which is always good. I would suggest Catholicism -- they're the original Xtians, after all, and generally seem more accepting of worshipers having doubts.
But I don't think manga will make any more use of that than of any of our other suggestions.
But what if manga believes in the wrong god? In the wrong version of Xtianity? Then manga is still going to hell!
Still, which Christian hell? Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Evangelical, Baptist... if manga chooses the wrong version of Christianity... hoo boy.But what if manga believes in the wrong god? In the wrong version of Xtianity? Then manga is still going to hell!
His obsession seems entirely focused on the Xtian Hell, so even if introduced to the concepts of Naraka, Helheim, Tartarus, Mictlan, etc., I don't think he'd consider those worth wasting time on. A pity he can't take that one step further.
Still, which Christian hell? Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Evangelical, Baptist... if manga chooses the wrong version of Christianity... hoo boy.But what if manga believes in the wrong god? In the wrong version of Xtianity? Then manga is still going to hell!
His obsession seems entirely focused on the Xtian Hell, so even if introduced to the concepts of Naraka, Helheim, Tartarus, Mictlan, etc., I don't think he'd consider those worth wasting time on. A pity he can't take that one step further.
Maybe manga is doing this for attention? :chin:
Maybe manga is doing this for attention? :chin:
It's possible. However I think that he or she is just troubled and can't stop obsessing over NDEs, the afterlife and hell.
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, and I always see these NDEs have a common theme when hell is involved: the person sees absolute darkness, they are scared, hear voices screeching and screaming in pain, sometimes they see demons mocking them. Then they call out to God or Jesus, and a light or a hand will come down and save them. I have read many individuals who have this experience. It just scares me because I want to be able to file NDEs into the hallucination/woo folder, but then I see so many similarities from hellish experiences that it scares me. It's the same reason I'm terrified of out of body experience target tests. I'm scared if someone were to prove those, then we may have a soul and it may mean some of the NDEs are true. The first ever NDE I saw was Howard Storm and on youtube it was called "Atheist Professor goes to hell" or something. At first, I didn't even know NDEs existed, and I was losing belief in religion, I thought there was no proof of life after death. However, this video scared me so brutally now since last summer I've been worrying about hell. I found online that there were some cultural differences between NDEs in different places that made me feel a bit better temporarily. However, then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he has some neurosurgeons on his shows that claim that a dying brain cannot at all create these NDEs when the eeg is flatlined, and that such accurate OBEs are not possible in a dying brain, so it has to be a soul that leaves the body. Now I am again, very much afraid. Two days ago I went on the near-death.com website hoping to reassure myself that NDEs are not real by trying to look up cultural differences. What did I find? A very convincing OBE and this NDE. :-\OK. I think it's clear now, to most of us, that you are afraid. :shifty:
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, and I always see these NDEs have a common theme when hell is involved: the person sees absolute darkness, they are scared, hear voices screeching and screaming in pain, sometimes they see demons mocking them. Then they call out to God or Jesus, and a light or a hand will come down and save them. I have read many individuals who have this experience. It just scares me because I want to be able to file NDEs into the hallucination/woo folder, but then I see so many similarities from hellish experiences that it scares me. It's the same reason I'm terrified of out of body experience target tests. I'm scared if someone were to prove those, then we may have a soul and it may mean some of the NDEs are true. The first ever NDE I saw was Howard Storm and on youtube it was called "Atheist Professor goes to hell" or something. At first, I didn't even know NDEs existed, and I was losing belief in religion, I thought there was no proof of life after death. However, this video scared me so brutally now since last summer I've been worrying about hell. I found online that there were some cultural differences between NDEs in different places that made me feel a bit better temporarily. However, then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he has some neurosurgeons on his shows that claim that a dying brain cannot at all create these NDEs when the eeg is flatlined, and that such accurate OBEs are not possible in a dying brain, so it has to be a soul that leaves the body. Now I am again, very much afraid. Two days ago I went on the near-death.com website hoping to reassure myself that NDEs are not real by trying to look up cultural differences. What did I find? A very convincing OBE and this NDE. :-\OK. I think it's clear now, to most of us, that you are afraid. :shifty:
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, and I always see these NDEs have a common theme when hell is involved: the person sees absolute darkness, they are scared, hear voices screeching and screaming in pain, sometimes they see demons mocking them. Then they call out to God or Jesus, and a light or a hand will come down and save them. I have read many individuals who have this experience. It just scares me because I want to be able to file NDEs into the hallucination/woo folder, but then I see so many similarities from hellish experiences that it scares me. It's the same reason I'm terrified of out of body experience target tests. I'm scared if someone were to prove those, then we may have a soul and it may mean some of the NDEs are true. The first ever NDE I saw was Howard Storm and on youtube it was called "Atheist Professor goes to hell" or something. At first, I didn't even know NDEs existed, and I was losing belief in religion, I thought there was no proof of life after death. However, this video scared me so brutally now since last summer I've been worrying about hell. I found online that there were some cultural differences between NDEs in different places that made me feel a bit better temporarily. However, then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he has some neurosurgeons on his shows that claim that a dying brain cannot at all create these NDEs when the eeg is flatlined, and that such accurate OBEs are not possible in a dying brain, so it has to be a soul that leaves the body. Now I am again, very much afraid. Two days ago I went on the near-death.com website hoping to reassure myself that NDEs are not real by trying to look up cultural differences. What did I find? A very convincing OBE and this NDE. :-\OK. I think it's clear now, to most of us, that you are afraid. :shifty:
No, I think I have said this before about him/her or perhaps that other poster whose name escapes me: this person is not scared, but has a hidden agenda and is a crypto preacher.
Are you thinking of Pahu?
Anyway...
Maybe you're right about manga, he's/she's a terrified-crypto-preacher-with a hidden agenda. ;D
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, etc
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, etc
Then I think you should be talking to a priest, not us. There's obviously nothing we can do for you.
. . . then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he . . .
Thanks Books 8) As I appreciate anyone here at HAF sending me referrals, Priest biz has been meh lately....I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, etc
Then I think you should be talking to a priest, not us. There's obviously nothing we can do for you.
An excellent suggestion. I can recommend Father Bruno. He is very kind, gentle, and sympathetic.
This thread by manga looks an awful lot like this other thread on a totally different forum by pork222. ::)
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I am really starting to become skeptical of certain religious things, but this fear keeps coming back. I am deathy afraid of any potential afterlife, and I know for the most part that we cannot rule out the brain, and it is premature to definitely assert that a soul that like Mathew always says that is non physical can perceive light and hear things. I get that. However, my priest knows that lately I've been questioning, and he sent me some of these Christian videos of people seeing hell. I have seen quite a few maybe 5-6 where a person (usually not too religious) will have an NDE or some sort of health issue, and suddenly see absolute darkness, maybe hear people screaming, some report seeing demons, etc. They say the place is in complete isolation from other things and they feel really sad. Then, they call out to God or Jesus and get rescued. The hand pulling one out of hell for example is common across these NDEs. Does that not at all scare you?
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, and I always see these NDEs have a common theme when hell is involved: the person sees absolute darkness, they are scared, hear voices screeching and screaming in pain, sometimes they see demons mocking them. Then they call out to God or Jesus, and a light or a hand will come down and save them. I have read many individuals who have this experience. It just scares me because I want to be able to file NDEs into the hallucination/woo folder, but then I see so many similarities from hellish experiences that it scares me. It's the same reason I'm terrified of out of body experience target tests. I'm scared if someone were to prove those, then we may have a soul and it may mean some of the NDEs are true. The first ever NDE I saw was Howard Storm and on youtube it was called "Atheist Professor goes to hell" or something. At first, I didn't even know NDEs existed, and I was losing belief in religion, I thought there was no proof of life after death. However, this video scared me so brutally now since last summer I've been worrying about hell. I found online that there were some cultural differences between NDEs in different places that made me feel a bit better temporarily. However, then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he has some neurosurgeons on his shows that claim that a dying brain cannot at all create these NDEs when the eeg is flatlined, and that such accurate OBEs are not possible in a dying brain, so it has to be a soul that leaves the body. Now I am again, very much afraid. Two days ago I went on the near-death.com website hoping to reassure myself that NDEs are not real by trying to look up cultural differences. What did I find? A very convincing OBE and this NDE. :-\
Thanks Books 8) As I appreciate anyone here at HAF sending me referrals, Priest biz has been meh lately....I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, etc
Then I think you should be talking to a priest, not us. There's obviously nothing we can do for you.
An excellent suggestion. I can recommend Father Bruno. He is very kind, gentle, and sympathetic.This thread by manga looks an awful lot like this other thread on a totally different forum by pork222. ::)
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Oddly enough it also looks quite similar to this one by a poster named Kamil at SKEPTIC (http://SKEPTIC (logo)) !
And check out Kamil's response to another post in that thread:QuoteI am really starting to become skeptical of certain religious things, but this fear keeps coming back. I am deathy afraid of any potential afterlife, and I know for the most part that we cannot rule out the brain, and it is premature to definitely assert that a soul that like Mathew always says that is non physical can perceive light and hear things. I get that. However, my priest knows that lately I've been questioning, and he sent me some of these Christian videos of people seeing hell. I have seen quite a few maybe 5-6 where a person (usually not too religious) will have an NDE or some sort of health issue, and suddenly see absolute darkness, maybe hear people screaming, some report seeing demons, etc. They say the place is in complete isolation from other things and they feel really sad. Then, they call out to God or Jesus and get rescued. The hand pulling one out of hell for example is common across these NDEs. Does that not at all scare you?
Weird, it's like the same person, or maybe guys it's some type of out of body, out of mind, cross forum ethereal posting experience?
Or CFEPE as we like to say in the biz, what do you guys think?
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, and I always see these NDEs have a common theme when hell is involved: the person sees absolute darkness, they are scared, hear voices screeching and screaming in pain, sometimes they see demons mocking them. Then they call out to God or Jesus, and a light or a hand will come down and save them. I have read many individuals who have this experience. It just scares me because I want to be able to file NDEs into the hallucination/woo folder, but then I see so many similarities from hellish experiences that it scares me. It's the same reason I'm terrified of out of body experience target tests. I'm scared if someone were to prove those, then we may have a soul and it may mean some of the NDEs are true. The first ever NDE I saw was Howard Storm and on youtube it was called "Atheist Professor goes to hell" or something. At first, I didn't even know NDEs existed, and I was losing belief in religion, I thought there was no proof of life after death. However, this video scared me so brutally now since last summer I've been worrying about hell. I found online that there were some cultural differences between NDEs in different places that made me feel a bit better temporarily. However, then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he has some neurosurgeons on his shows that claim that a dying brain cannot at all create these NDEs when the eeg is flatlined, and that such accurate OBEs are not possible in a dying brain, so it has to be a soul that leaves the body. Now I am again, very much afraid. Two days ago I went on the near-death.com website hoping to reassure myself that NDEs are not real by trying to look up cultural differences. What did I find? A very convincing OBE and this NDE. :-\Did you listen to anything said to you? It doesn't look like it. You keep repeating things that we've debunked several times already and instead of engaging directly with what we said about it, you just ignore it and act like the bullshit you keep repeating is true. So many times people have explained to you how a brain coming back from dying starts to create memories that seem to come from when the brain was less active, and also that the brain will fill in details in faulty memories to try to make sense of them. Any neurosurgeon worth anything will know that. But like is your track record, you will concede by refusing to engage, but then act like you didn't.
Oh, yes, that's the forgettable name. But then I am 71 now!
If it's the same post in every forum can we assume it's a bot? And in the case of it being a bot I suppose it's okay to ban them, correct?
I've been thinking about this, and all joking aside what if we are wrong and there is a heaven and hell? I mean even if I wasn't an atheist and believed in god it's not like I've led anything approaching a good life.It reminds me of the lyrics of a song:
I mean to be honest my list of sins or transgressions against the almighty would be pretty long indeed.
I've been extremely blasphemous my entire life, fornicated and carried on like crazy when I was young, spent more Sabbath or Sunday's partying and drunk than I can even remember. Plus I'm pro-abortion, support gay-marriage, voted twice for the anti-christ himself, that christian-hating muslim Obama as well as Hillary in the last election.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg, believe me...I'm fucking screwed. Even if I were to start believing now I'm fairly certain I've already got a place reserved for me in hell, regardless of how many times I scream out Jesus's name while I'm dying.
Do you think we'll get any respite, I mean does hell have to be forever? Or can I get some time off for good behavior?
Seriously, if there is a hell I'm fucked.
God is dead, and no one cares.
If there is a hell, I'll see you there.
I've been thinking about this, and all joking aside what if we are wrong and there is a heaven and hell? I mean even if I wasn't an atheist and believed in god it's not like I've led anything approaching a good life.It reminds me of the lyrics of a song:
I mean to be honest my list of sins or transgressions against the almighty would be pretty long indeed.
I've been extremely blasphemous my entire life, fornicated and carried on like crazy when I was young, spent more Sabbath or Sunday's partying and drunk than I can even remember. Plus I'm pro-abortion, support gay-marriage, voted twice for the anti-christ himself, that christian-hating muslim Obama as well as Hillary in the last election.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg, believe me...I'm fucking screwed. Even if I were to start believing now I'm fairly certain I've already got a place reserved for me in hell, regardless of how many times I scream out Jesus's name while I'm dying.
Do you think we'll get any respite, I mean does hell have to be forever? Or can I get some time off for good behavior?
Seriously, if there is a hell I'm fucked.QuoteGod is dead, and no one cares.
If there is a hell, I'll see you there.
Actually, I like the whole song.
I'd bet all the best people are in hell.
Sure us cool people will be there, along with some real scumbags, I mean some really nasty people...and what about eternal torture, with lakes of fire and never ending anguish?But we're only hearing one side of it. Maybe Hell is an awesome place to live.
Sounds horrible.
Knowing the people who are supposed to be in hell, by now the place is air conditioned, has perfect WiFi, better universities than any found on earth, massive libraries, unparalleled museums, and advances in science and technology far beyond what we have. There does seem to be a high percentage of doubters and outright unbelievers among people who are creative or have a scientific bent.
Plus, look at the behavior of the one who is supposed to be the "good guy" in the spiritual realm. His repertoire for dealing with misbehaving humans is to smite, curse, and kill them. His "unconditional" love comes with the condition "love me or I'll make sure you are tortured forever." If he was a human parent, his children would be in foster care. If he was a human demanding love in such a fashion, he'd be branded a stalker and have a restraining order placed on him. God's body count in the Bible runs in the millions. The only side of the story we have is what God supposedly inspired humans to write - and even in that version he comes off as a petty, despotic, dictator with just enough tiny flashes of kindness and mercy to give someone Stockholm syndrome.
Knowing the people who are supposed to be in hell, by now the place is air conditioned, has perfect WiFi, better universities than any found on earth, massive libraries, unparalleled museums, and advances in science and technology far beyond what we have. There does seem to be a high percentage of doubters and outright unbelievers among people who are creative or have a scientific bent.
Plus, look at the behavior of the one who is supposed to be the "good guy" in the spiritual realm. His repertoire for dealing with misbehaving humans is to smite, curse, and kill them. His "unconditional" love comes with the condition "love me or I'll make sure you are tortured forever." If he was a human parent, his children would be in foster care. If he was a human demanding love in such a fashion, he'd be branded a stalker and have a restraining order placed on him. God's body count in the Bible runs in the millions. The only side of the story we have is what God supposedly inspired humans to write - and even in that version he comes off as a petty, despotic, dictator with just enough tiny flashes of kindness and mercy to give someone Stockholm syndrome.
Some of your comments have been somewhat comforting, but still what about the recurring theme in most NDE's about people who experience hell feeling as Foreman put it,... "Sorrow beyond description engulfed my soul, more than anyone could ever imagine ... If you multiplied every disturbing and frightening thought that you've ever had during your entire life, that wouldn't come close to the panic I felt".
That's what scares me,...what if hell isn't a party place, but just a pit of despair?
Some of your comments have been somewhat comforting, but still what about the recurring theme in most NDE's about people who experience hell feeling as Foreman put it,... "Sorrow beyond description engulfed my soul, more than anyone could ever imagine ... If you multiplied every disturbing and frightening thought that you've ever had during your entire life, that wouldn't come close to the panic I felt".
That's what scares me,...what if hell isn't a party place, but just a pit of despair?
And heaven, as Velma described it, isn't a pit of despair? If it's a lose-lose situation then just forget it and enjoy life. :grin:
Some of your comments have been somewhat comforting, but still what about the recurring theme in most NDE's about people who experience hell feeling as Foreman put it,... "Sorrow beyond description engulfed my soul, more than anyone could ever imagine ... If you multiplied every disturbing and frightening thought that you've ever had during your entire life, that wouldn't come close to the panic I felt".What if that was Heaven? I mean, people are told that Hell is the bad place and Heaven is the good, then people have "good" NDEs and associate that with Heaven, and have "bad" NDEs and associate that with Hell. But what if those are backwards? What if by following the god on blind faith is exactly what the god does not want. Maybe this world is a test, and those that fail by believing in things without evidence are dumped into the eternal trash which is Hell. And those that practice good skepticism and show a decent logical prowess pass the test and get into the good place.
That's what scares me,...what if hell isn't a party place, but just a pit of despair?
I mean if given an option I'll take the latter, however. Do I still have an option left to me or is it simply to late for me, or is it possible for me to turn myself over to god still, repent for my sins, and ask to be forgiven for my many transgressions?
Someone posted this a while back, and it seems really appropriate to this discussion:
Someone posted this a while back, and it seems really appropriate to this discussion:
So....maga, manguita....
After hearing all these responses, do you still want to talk to us about NDE and hell? ;D
Some of your comments have been somewhat comforting, but still what about the recurring theme in most NDE's about people who experience hell feeling as Foreman put it,... "Sorrow beyond description engulfed my soul, more than anyone could ever imagine ... If you multiplied every disturbing and frightening thought that you've ever had during your entire life, that wouldn't come close to the panic I felt".What if that was Heaven? I mean, people are told that Hell is the bad place and Heaven is the good, then people have "good" NDEs and associate that with Heaven, and have "bad" NDEs and associate that with Hell. But what if those are backwards? What if by following the god on blind faith is exactly what the god does not want. Maybe this world is a test, and those that fail by believing in things without evidence are dumped into the eternal trash which is Hell. And those that practice good skepticism and show a decent logical prowess pass the test and get into the good place.
That's what scares me,...what if hell isn't a party place, but just a pit of despair?
And when did this switch from manga's thread to Bruno's?
My doctor thinks I should do a sleep study, but fuck that...she'll just want to put my on some meds and I don't do meds.
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, and I always see these NDEs have a common theme when hell is involved: the person sees absolute darkness, they are scared, hear voices screeching and screaming in pain, sometimes they see demons mocking them. Then they call out to God or Jesus, and a light or a hand will come down and save them. I have read many individuals who have this experience. It just scares me because I want to be able to file NDEs into the hallucination/woo folder, but then I see so many similarities from hellish experiences that it scares me. It's the same reason I'm terrified of out of body experience target tests. I'm scared if someone were to prove those, then we may have a soul and it may mean some of the NDEs are true. The first ever NDE I saw was Howard Storm and on youtube it was called "Atheist Professor goes to hell" or something. At first, I didn't even know NDEs existed, and I was losing belief in religion, I thought there was no proof of life after death. However, this video scared me so brutally now since last summer I've been worrying about hell. I found online that there were some cultural differences between NDEs in different places that made me feel a bit better temporarily. However, then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he has some neurosurgeons on his shows that claim that a dying brain cannot at all create these NDEs when the eeg is flatlined, and that such accurate OBEs are not possible in a dying brain, so it has to be a soul that leaves the body. Now I am again, very much afraid. Two days ago I went on the near-death.com website hoping to reassure myself that NDEs are not real by trying to look up cultural differences. What did I find? A very convincing OBE and this NDE. :-\
I'm just scared because I was raised catholic, and I always see these NDEs have a common theme when hell is involved: the person sees absolute darkness, they are scared, hear voices screeching and screaming in pain, sometimes they see demons mocking them. Then they call out to God or Jesus, and a light or a hand will come down and save them. I have read many individuals who have this experience. It just scares me because I want to be able to file NDEs into the hallucination/woo folder, but then I see so many similarities from hellish experiences that it scares me. It's the same reason I'm terrified of out of body experience target tests. I'm scared if someone were to prove those, then we may have a soul and it may mean some of the NDEs are true. The first ever NDE I saw was Howard Storm and on youtube it was called "Atheist Professor goes to hell" or something. At first, I didn't even know NDEs existed, and I was losing belief in religion, I thought there was no proof of life after death. However, this video scared me so brutally now since last summer I've been worrying about hell. I found online that there were some cultural differences between NDEs in different places that made me feel a bit better temporarily. However, then I heard about the website Skeptiko and Alex Tsakris, and he has some neurosurgeons on his shows that claim that a dying brain cannot at all create these NDEs when the eeg is flatlined, and that such accurate OBEs are not possible in a dying brain, so it has to be a soul that leaves the body. Now I am again, very much afraid. Two days ago I went on the near-death.com website hoping to reassure myself that NDEs are not real by trying to look up cultural differences. What did I find? A very convincing OBE and this NDE. :-\
Zen student: "So, master, is the soul immortal or not? Do we survive our bodily death or do we get annihilated? Do we really reincarnate? Does our soul split up into component parts which get recycled, or do we as a single unit enter the body of a biological organism? And do we retain our memories or not? Or is the doctrine of reincarnation false? Is perhaps the Christian notion of survival more Correct? And if so, do we get bodily resurrected, or does our soul enter a purely Platonic spiritual realm?"
Zen Master: "Your breakfast is getting cold."
Well manga hasn't been around since they posted this more or less, so I thought I would take over...anyway haven't all of you had these thoughts before, just a little doubt or concern once in a while?
Well manga hasn't been around since they posted this more or less, so I thought I would take over...anyway haven't all of you had these thoughts before, just a little doubt or concern once in a while?
I can honestly say no, but I think it's simply because I've been used to the idea for so long. I remember when I was little and first started learning about heaven and hell by being told how people would be divided up for judgment into sheep and goats. The second I heard this, without having to think it over at all, I knew I was a goat and nothing would change that.
I did keep trying for a long time after that to be a good Xtian but it was so I could have a good life here and now, I had no question about where my soul was headed. I've been resigned to the Xtian destination for me since I was about 6 yrs old.
I never heard the sheep and goat thing :lol:
I never heard the sheep and goat thing :lol:
That may be Protestant weirdness.
I never heard the sheep and goat thing :lol:
That may be Protestant weirdness.
It's in the Bible, and the passage is read in Catholic churches as well. I had the same reaction to it as you did when I was a youngster. ;)
My doctor thinks I should do a sleep study, but fuck that...she'll just want to put my on some meds and I don't do meds.
I was wondering if you'd be helped learning about what it feels like to be calm. For example with meditation you can get your heartbeat down and remain conscious. Sports may help to try and remain calm when your body is moving fast.
Sounds like what happens when you exhaust your body of fuel and then send it into overtime. Lots of chemicals going around.If he would have quit walking around he would have cooled down faster, Why not just go outside and stand in the breeze---if there was one. Under great stress one develops random thoughts connected to things believed or known which can make it seem as though someone is talking to them.
Plus George Foreman got his head rattled around a lot. Right?