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Here's an interesting site I found for people who believe "the end is nigh!"

I don't expect you to read the whole thing, it's tortuously long.  You'll probably get my point by the time you look up to 500 CE or so.

http://www.geocities.com/alma-geddon/lastjudgment.html (http://www.geocities.com/alma-geddon/lastjudgment.html)

To navigate to later dates, scroll to the bottom of the page and take your pick.

http://www.endtimes.freehomepage.com/ (http://www.endtimes.freehomepage.com/)

http://www.spychips.com/ (http://www.spychips.com/)

Quote from: "onlyme"http://www.endtimes.freehomepage.com/

Haha, clicking on that one made me feel dirty.

why should it make you feel dirty, aullios?

I think some of the information contained in some of the links affects us all, whether believer or agnostic, etc.

Unless I overlooked the Ha ha part?


Keep on keeping on, brother

My point is that the "prophecies" of Revelation are so vague that they can be construed to match nearly any time period.

The Mark of the Beast for example:  Is it the microchip?  Was it the tattoos that Hitler forced the Jews to get at death camps during the Holocaust?  Was it the brands that slaveholders put on their slaves in the Old South?  Was it a host of other things that could be called a "mark" that have been given throughout history?

vague in some ways, yes, but as I see it, the microchip is the closest contender to date, since those corporations who advocate it see it as ushering in a total cashless society, in which no man will be able to 'buy or sell' without it.  Total enslavement if you ask me.   Also, the proposed european logos show a revived tower of babal (babylon) - and a woman riding a beast.  Coincidence?   These chips contain 5 and a half times more information than those that first put man on the moon.  Are we sleepwalking into an orwellian nightmare?   These fifth generation computers are designed along the lines of a human-computer interface.  This means that information, including emotions, behaviour, etc, can be transmitted, as well as received, using these chips.   A very dangerous scenario, if you ask me.   Time will tell.  All I'm saying is, beware.

You may not trust Christians to sound the clarion call for awareness, but can you trust the bankers and big business who are pushing this any more?  they see you as fodder for their own selfish agenda. don't you see that?  maybe it WILL soon be time to take sides, and choose who is acting in your best interest.    Freedom is being eroded in the name of the 'terrorist threat', which I believe largely is a ploy to get us all to sacrifice our liberties in the name of national security.   And I don't think people will realise until it is too late.   Better to at least wake up now and probe these issues than find ourselves trapped with no way out.

I didn't say I wanted the microchip in me any more than you do.   I blame that on being belonophobic.. not theophobic, though.

So you're hinting at EU being "the revived Roman Empire?"  Here's three more "revived Roman Empires":

1.  The Holy Roman Empire -- not hard to figure out why that one would be suspect.
2.  The Vatican -- The richest country in the world, per unit area... and conveniently enough, it's in Rome!
3.  The United States -- The way we live our lives with such gluttony and pride is considered by many fundies to be Roman traits.

The only people I trust to sound the call of End Times are the astronomers who tell me when an asteroid is making a beeline for us, or the sun is exploding in 5 billion years.

Quote from: "onlyme"vague in some ways, yes, but as I see it, the microchip is the closest contender to date, since those corporations who advocate it see it as ushering in a total cashless society, in which no man will be able to 'buy or sell' without it.  Total enslavement if you ask me.

Really? You see a cashless society as total enslavement? How so? It just sounds practical to me. We spend far too much (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/News/TimeToKillOffThePenny.aspx) on producing money as it is. Besides, it will be more secure than cash, checks, or credit cards. You, along with every other paranoid christian, are simply reading too much into these vague prophesies. They remind me of horoscopes; any one of them could apply to nearly anything.

Quote from: "onlyme"Also, the proposed european logos show a revived tower of babal (babylon) - and a woman riding a beast.  Coincidence?

*snicker* Probably not. I bet they thought they were being funny. If I had made those chips, I totally would put a label like that on it just to fuck with the christians, lol, Are you afraid of technology? That's a bit rich, as you are using computer, connected to the internet simply to type that message. I'm sure when the technology at your fingertips came out, plenty of folks were scared of it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you were. Technological developments are inevitable. Get used to it and don't get spooked every time something new comes along.

Quote from: "onlyme"Time will tell.  All I'm saying is, beware.

Ugh, stop saying that. You not only sound smug, you sound idiotic. Like a crazy person wholeheartedly assuring me that a spaceship is coming down to abduct me soon. "Beware"....ooh, scary.

Quote from: "Aullios"I didn't say I wanted the microchip in me any more than you do.   I blame that on being belonophobic.. not theophobic, though.

So you're hinting at EU being "the revived Roman Empire?"  Here's three more "revived Roman Empires":

1.  The Holy Roman Empire -- not hard to figure out why that one would be suspect.
2.  The Vatican -- The richest country in the world, per unit area... and conveniently enough, it's in Rome!
3.  The United States -- The way we live our lives with such gluttony and pride is considered by many fundies to be Roman traits.

The only people I trust to sound the call of End Times are the astronomers who tell me when an asteroid is making a beeline for us, or the sun is exploding in 5 billion years.

I'm not necessarily saying it is any of these 3 things you mention.  Maybe it's all of them.  The endtime world government will after all be a WORLD government, perhaps incorporating ALL of these.

Astronomers?  why should it concern you if the sun explodes in 5 billion years time?  You will be dead from another source before that, and have to face the judgement.  This is the real danger, in my opinion.  You won't live 5 billion years, but you will be dead soon, probably in less than 50 years.  maybe longer, maybe a lot less.  That is the real issue as far as YOU are concerned.  Not meaning to belittle you or scare you, just facing the facts, as we all have to face them, me included.   Death will come to us all before 5 billion years.  Are we prepared?  After all, it IS a big thing, is it not?

court, do you really see this cashless society as a liberating factor, and not total enslavement?  real hard cash is the last vestige of freedom we have.  when you can no longer draw 'cash' or get a job, or benefits, or a passport, unless you go along with the new world order plan, then I truly think that we will be total slaves to the system.  can you not see that?   A few men with computers controlling your every move, and all access to your finances ( for YOUR benefit?)

I'm not meaning or trying to sound smug.  You misunderstand me.  I personally think that everyone is soon to be in danger.  Maybe you will think differently later.

Onlyme,

The 5 billion year reference was exactly what you thought it was:

I was implying that when the end times do come, all humans (as we currently know them) will be long gone.

Quote from: "Court"Really? You see a cashless society as total enslavement? How so? It just sounds practical to me. We spend far too much (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/News/TimeToKillOffThePenny.aspx) on producing money as it is.

I also see it as a very practical thing. I use my debit card for everything as it is. I'd probably be one of the first people to get an RFID implant... They are a great idea. It is easy to get paranoid about these things though.

Quote from: "Court"Besides, it will be more secure than cash, checks, or credit cards.

Actually, people were hacking RFID tags from distances of about 30 feet at some hacker convention that went on this year. I'll see if I can find some solid information on it. Although they will be able to fix security flaws, so I don't think this will end up being too much of an issue.

Quote from: "onlyme"These fifth generation computers are designed along the lines of a human-computer interface.  This means that information, including emotions, behaviour, etc, can be transmitted, as well as received, using these chips.   A very dangerous scenario, if you ask me.

Show me a credible source that says this. Emotions transmitted? Check the date on your calendar. It should say 2006, not 2036.

oh, dear, Jassman, and I thought you were computer savvy!

I would say that I am fairly knowledgeable with computers (hardware and software). Please show me a link. A computer cannot interpret human emotions.

I would find it deliciously ironic if we get an "antichrist"-like world statesman who delivers the goods in terms of peace and prosperity -- and no Jesus ever arrives to oppose him!

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Quote from: "Court"Really? You see a cashless society as total enslavement? How so? It just sounds practical to me. We spend far too much (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/News/TimeToKillOffThePenny.aspx) on producing money as it is.

I also see it as a very practical thing. I use my debit card for everything as it is. I'd probably be one of the first people to get an RFID implant... They are a great idea. It is easy to get paranoid about these things though.

I always use my debit card, too. I almost never have cash. My mom laughs at me because I use it on $3 purchases.

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Quote from: "Court"Besides, it will be more secure than cash, checks, or credit cards.

Actually, people were hacking RFID tags from distances of about 30 feet at some hacker convention that went on this year. I'll see if I can find some solid information on it. Although they will be able to fix security flaws, so I don't think this will end up being too much of an issue.

Well, I'm not an expert. Surely, before it becomes common practice, they will make it more secure?

Quote from: "onlyme"court, do you really see this cashless society as a liberating factor, and not total enslavement?  real hard cash is the last vestige of freedom we have.  when you can no longer draw 'cash' or get a job, or benefits, or a passport, unless you go along with the new world order plan, then I truly think that we will be total slaves to the system.  

Are you not a slave to the system as it is? Who do you think controls the circulation of money now? You?

Quote from: "onlyme"can you not see that?   A few men with computers controlling your every move, and all access to your finances ( for YOUR benefit?)

I hate to tell you, if your money is in a bank somewhere, it's already controlled by computers.

Quote from: "onlyme"real hard cash is the last vestige of freedom we have.  

No, cash and gold have a major flaw that cashless systems have worked hard to eliminate: Identity theft. ("Stick 'em up!") You have no control over anyone's ability to appropriate your cash or specie and claim it as his own (the market can't tell the difference), whereas we have ways to block use of stolen debit or credit cards, along with laws which limit your liability for unauthorized purchases.

In an ideal world, we would have the ability to block the unauthorized use of hard currency and gold coins to discourage theft -- but that would require a technology like RFID chips, which gets us back to the problems of the cashless technologies. Given how libertarians emphasize property rights and financial security, you'd think they would want iron-grip control over their tangible money so that absolutely nobody can take it as his own without the original owner's explicit consent.

Fuck RFID chips. They'll put one in my corpse before they put one in me alive. Fuck that shit, the government has no business in where I'm at. Now as for a cashless society, I like it, I don't live off the grid like that. In fact almost all of my purchases are done with a debit card. someone steals it, BAM, I just call in the bank's hotline and cancel it. Foiled there pukes.

Onlyme, your country has disarmed your from protecting yourself, and you fear a cashless society? I'd be more worried about a government that doesn't let me have guns and tell me it's for my own good. And what's this business with all these cameras nowadays? Can anyone say 1984?! How many Jews, Armenians, Gays, Poles, Blacks, etc. died because they were disarmed and at the mercy of a government? That's what you should be more afraid of. The means, the method, and the madness.

I agree with you on some of your points, Bigmac, I think taking gun-ownership rights away from individuals is just another step in creating a totally controlled society, just like taking financial freedom away from them is.

Although I myself am not in favour of guns per-se, as I have seen the harm they can do, yet I respect an individuals right to bear arms to defend oneself.

Onlyme, you're not even paying attention, are you? You don't have "financial freedom" if you have money in a bank or a debit/credit card.

Well, I'm not really in favor of a "cashless society". I'm in favor of me living cashless with an RFID chip. I do think that anyone else should be allowed to continue exchanging paper in turn for goods and services though.

Quote from: "Court"Onlyme, you're not even paying attention, are you? You don't have "financial freedom" if you have money in a bank or a debit/credit card.

Court, I mean that since paper money has been being eroded for a long time now, including electronic banking and transaction, we have been losing our freedom in equal measure.  These 'cards' are just a step along the way, culminating in our total loss of freedom.

I think things will only get worse on this front, as I said, what about when you can't make any transaction whatsoever, without 'big brother' watching and 'approving' your every move, with the power to cancel your transaction, or claim for benefit, etc?

So, basically, you're paranoid.
Heh, what are you worried about anyway? If you think the end is near, you're not going to have to worry.
You'll be up in Jesus-land, completely dependent on "big brother" watching your every move.

court, I'm not so much paranoid for myself, as I see what's coming, and what's at stake here.  I'm more paranoid for the people who wander blindly down this avenue, not realising the danger they are in.

Do you really think it's a good idea for the state to control your every move?

This kind of system is always open to abuse. If hitler had this kind of power, what a different kind of world we would now be living in.  well, somebody now DOES have this power.  And do you think it will be used for beneficial purposes?  Are 'they' really thinking about your welfare?  Or
are you just a little bit suspicious that something might be going on behind the scenes to rob you of your liberty?

Maybe. But what good does worrying about the chip going to do?

Quote from: "onlyme"This kind of system is always open to abuse. If hitler had this kind of power, what a different kind of world we would now be living in.  well, somebody now DOES have this power.  And do you think it will be used for beneficial purposes?  Are 'they' really thinking about your welfare?  Or you you just a little bit suspicious that something might be going on behind the scenes to rob you of your liberty?

It is always good to maintain a certain level of suspicion. It keeps your senses keen so when something does go wrong, you can react more quickly. But do you really see the government as this uncaged monster that you portray it as? Keep in mind that the government is comprised of people. People just like you and me. They aren't just "out to get us". They are trying to perform certain duties, and whether you and me think they're doing a good job of that is another topic. Please remember that our governments aren't just some global, impersonal entities out to wrong us.

Quote from: "Court"Maybe. But what good does worrying about the chip going to do?

well, for this reason:


as a bible believer, everyone who receives the mark of the beast will be thrown alive into the lake of fire, which burns for ever and ever, that's why.

believe it or not, I didn't make this up myself.  I just think that before you receive this mark, you should consider the consequences of your actions, as there is no going back after this.

Then don't get it. I don't believe in god, so I won't be controlled by silly fears....

Quote from: "Jassman"It is always good to maintain a certain level of suspicion. It keeps your senses keen so when something does go wrong, you can react more quickly. But do you really see the government as this uncaged monster that you portray it as? Keep in mind that the government is comprised of people. People just like you and me. They aren't just "out to get us". They are trying to perform certain duties, and whether you and me think they're doing a good job of that is another topic. Please remember that our governments aren't just some global, impersonal entities out to wrong us.

Phew. And I thought I was the only person not paranoid around here.

I think we are all paranoid to some degree.  Although paranoia can be maybe a good thing if it keeps us on our toes, so to speak.  At least don't take the mark until you know for sure that it doesn't come wrapped up with some nefarious purposes, that's all I'm saying. I won't be taking the mark.

Will you?

It's not a mark! Good-ness, you sound ridiculous. I don't believe in silly superstitious prophesies, onlyme.
And paranoia is not a good thing. Awareness, a healthy bit of suspicion, is fine.

have you people not read my links that I posted?

http://www.spychips.com/ (http://www.spychips.com/)

http://www.endtimes.freehomepage.com/ (http://www.endtimes.freehomepage.com/)

court,

no, I am not afraid of technology, and I will use it while it has benevolant purposes, but I do see where it is leading, and I don't like it.

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Quote from: "onlyme"This kind of system is always open to abuse. If hitler had this kind of power, what a different kind of world we would now be living in.  well, somebody now DOES have this power.  And do you think it will be used for beneficial purposes?  Are 'they' really thinking about your welfare?  Or you you just a little bit suspicious that something might be going on behind the scenes to rob you of your liberty?

It is always good to maintain a certain level of suspicion. It keeps your senses keen so when something does go wrong, you can react more quickly. But do you really see the government as this uncaged monster that you portray it as? Keep in mind that the government is comprised of people. People just like you and me. They aren't just "out to get us". They are trying to perform certain duties, and whether you and me think they're doing a good job of that is another topic. Please remember that our governments aren't just some global, impersonal entities out to wrong us.

I wonder, Jassman.  I wonder.

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Quote from: "Jassman"It is always good to maintain a certain level of suspicion. It keeps your senses keen so when something does go wrong, you can react more quickly. But do you really see the government as this uncaged monster that you portray it as? Keep in mind that the government is comprised of people. People just like you and me. They aren't just "out to get us". They are trying to perform certain duties, and whether you and me think they're doing a good job of that is another topic. Please remember that our governments aren't just some global, impersonal entities out to wrong us.

Phew. And I thought I was the only person not paranoid around here.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

Quote from: "Jassman"I would say that I am fairly knowledgeable with computers (hardware and software). Please show me a link. A computer cannot interpret human emotions.

Right, they can't.  We are far from being able to come close to figuring out someone's emotions in that way.  Right now the closest we are is through brain scans...even then it's just in the ball park based on what parts of the brain light up.  If computers could register someone's emotions, we would no longer be using primitive lie detector tests...just hook the person up to a computer and find out what they are really thinking.

One of my concerns with the chips is IF it was possible to use them as a tracking device.  I also don't see them as being anything more than a convenience, I doubt everyone would want one (to this day there are many who don't trust credit cards etc).  Personally, I don't like the idea of something so valuable being implanted in my hand or anywhere else on my body.  What would criminals do then?  They might just start mugging people to gouge out the chip...that would hurt.

Quote from: "onlyme"http://www.endtimes.freehomepage.com/

Is it just me or does anyone else automatically not trust anything on a site that uses Hovind as someone to explain why evolution is false?

No, now you're being rather rude and uppity as an atheist. Pushing your disbelief onto others! HOvind is a real Doctor, it says so in the phone book even!

Look at this BRILLIANT video of his "The Dangers of Evolution"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgvfYkN_ ... 0Evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgvfYkN_G_A&search=Dangers%20of%20Evolution)

Quote from: "onlyme"as a bible believer, everyone who receives the mark of the beast will be thrown alive into the lake of fire, which burns for ever and ever, that's why.

How do you know that someone in government didn't get this idea from the bible, instead of the bible having "predicted" it? It resembles trying to build one of Leonardo da Vinci's machines from drawings in his notebooks.

And what if we get "the mark," but no rapture or second coming of Jesus happens?

Quote from: "advancedatheist"And what if we get "the mark," but no rapture or second coming of Jesus happens?

The fundies have been predicting and postponing the end days for centuries.    Link Past (http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrld.htm#past) and Link 2006 (http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl1.htm)

I'm sure they have a list of witty things to say when it doesn't happen.

We already have an "antichrist"-like world statesman. His name is GW Bush.