Been away, for no good reason, for a while. Those who are on Facebook will have seen a few of my posts there, but I have sadly neglected this site for a while.
For those who do not know me, I am a mad Australian, you can hold that against me if you like, I don't give a toss! Been an atheist for a long time, since I was 14 (circa 1971). Since I was last on this site I did in fact travel to Pommy Land and got to visit Tank, OldGit Clairliontamer and Griffin, plus visited the fair isle of Islay where I conducted some quality control testing at the laphroaig distillery. I am an ex-Navy aviator (Observer to be precise) and I love fishing. All else is subject to change, including all the forgoing, if I can come up with a better story.
Happy HAFing to you all!
Hi, Bluenose, I must have joined since you went ajourneying. Interesting name, I have circulation prob that gives my nose a blue tone in cold weather. Scares the medics more than me!
Nowt wrong with being Australian, tell you a tale from an old RAF pal about their effect on one German cop sometime.
Hi Dave, Bluenose comes from one of my favourite fish, the bluenose cod (aka trout cod), a close relative of Murray cod. These fish are officially listed as endangered, but due to the efforts of Native Fish Australia, an organisation I'm a long time member of and that of several government fisheries agencies they are making a come back. Actually, it's not fair to still have them listed as endangered, but if they are downgraded, certain people in the government agencies will lose control and so they remain. Hmm, better stop now before my soapbox gets too big a work out!
Welcome back.
Glad to see you here again, Bluenose! :welcomeback:
Welcome back! :grin:
Good to see you back :D
Welcome back!
Welcome back, Bluenose! :computerwave:
Yay, you're back! I was about to ask where "Bluenose" came from too. So many things to learn in life.
Thanks for the welcome back guys. It makes me wonder why I was away. I guess RL gets in the way sometimes!
Never heard of "Pommy Land", so I looked it up. Poms are Brits who immigrate to Australia, and the sun turns their skin red like a pomegranate, thus "Pom ". Pommy Land is England. Learn something new every day.
Well us Aussies (pronounced "ozzies" BTW) are far more inclusive than that, all residents of Great Britain are Pommies. Also, an alternative derivation of Pommy is from POME, Prisoner Of Mother England, a reflection perhaps on our convict history. You mileage may vary. Oh, and in most Aussie's eyes, at least in casual conversation, England includes Scotland and Wales, and all citizens of the USA are Yanks. But it's all OK, you're all welcome to come over and visit and we'll give you good advice on how to avoid drop-bears!
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 12:45:56 PM
Never heard of "Pommy Land", so I looked it up. Poms are Brits who immigrate to Australia, and the sun turns their skin red like a pomegranate, thus "Pom ". Pommy Land is England. Learn something new every day.
I haven't heard that, don't necessarily believe that. I thought, assumed it had to do with the way they talked.
I've read/heard of the black fellas seeing the interlopers venturing inland as pink/red.
Nice to read your intro, Bluenose. I've never met an Aussie I didn't like! (Ok, I've only met a few, but still...) And your country scares the crap out of me, with all the Most Deadly______ In The World. -- just fill in the blank with your favorite venomous creature.
I look forward to hearing more of what's in your brain! :)
Quote from: Bluenose on November 29, 2017, 12:59:57 PM
Well us Aussies (pronounced "ozzies" BTW) are far more inclusive than that, all residents of Great Britain are Pommies. Also, an alternative derivation of Pommy is from POME, Prisoner Of Mother England, a reflection perhaps on our convict history. You mileage may vary. Oh, and in most Aussie's eyes, at least in casual conversation, England includes Scotland and Wales, and all citizens of the USA are Yanks. But it's all OK, you're all welcome to come over and visit and we'll give you good advice on how to avoid drop-bears!
OK, I guess there are several explanations of the source - that's just the one I found.
From now on, Tank is a Pommy.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on November 29, 2017, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 12:45:56 PM
Never heard of "Pommy Land", so I looked it up. Poms are Brits who immigrate to Australia, and the sun turns their skin red like a pomegranate, thus "Pom ". Pommy Land is England. Learn something new every day.
I haven't heard that, don't necessarily believe that. I thought, assumed it had to do with the way they talked.
I've read/heard of the black fellas seeing the interlopers venturing inland as pink/red.
Well, it could be wrong. Just what I found.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on November 29, 2017, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 12:45:56 PM
Never heard of "Pommy Land", so I looked it up. Poms are Brits who immigrate to Australia, and the sun turns their skin red like a pomegranate, thus "Pom ". Pommy Land is England. Learn something new every day.
I haven't heard that, don't necessarily believe that. I thought, assumed it had to do with the way they talked.
I've read/heard of the black fellas seeing the interlopers venturing inland as pink/red.
Well, it could be wrong. Just what I found.
You could be right,
I think I have seen a pomegranate in a fruit shop.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: Bluenose on November 29, 2017, 12:59:57 PM
Well us Aussies (pronounced "ozzies" BTW) are far more inclusive than that, all residents of Great Britain are Pommies. Also, an alternative derivation of Pommy is from POME, Prisoner Of Mother England, a reflection perhaps on our convict history. You mileage may vary. Oh, and in most Aussie's eyes, at least in casual conversation, England includes Scotland and Wales, and all citizens of the USA are Yanks. But it's all OK, you're all welcome to come over and visit and we'll give you good advice on how to avoid drop-bears!
OK, I guess there are several explanations of the source - that's just the one I found.
From now on, Tank is a Pommy.
Well, since we really like him, the correct term of endearment is "a Pommy bastard", we never bother insulting people we don't like. However, the word bastard (which says nothing about the subject's parentage) should only be used by fluent and expert speakers of Aussie English. Used appropriately with the correct tone of voice and preferably with a couple of stubbies* in your hand, a bastard can be your best mate, even more so if he is an old bastard as in "strewth it's hot! Get one of these into you, you old bastard". Other kinds of bastards include the unfortunate poor bastards and the wiley clever bastards. Complete bastards and proper bastards are terms only ever used in a perjorative sense. However even just the word bastard on it's own can be highly insulting if deliveref with the wrong tone of voice or facial expression. English speakers are advised to avoid using the word as it's many subtleties are very difficult for the non-native speaker to pick up on.
* A stubby is a small (375 ml) bottle of icy cold beer
Quote from: Bluenose on November 29, 2017, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: Bluenose on November 29, 2017, 12:59:57 PM
Well us Aussies (pronounced "ozzies" BTW) are far more inclusive than that, all residents of Great Britain are Pommies. Also, an alternative derivation of Pommy is from POME, Prisoner Of Mother England, a reflection perhaps on our convict history. You mileage may vary. Oh, and in most Aussie's eyes, at least in casual conversation, England includes Scotland and Wales, and all citizens of the USA are Yanks. But it's all OK, you're all welcome to come over and visit and we'll give you good advice on how to avoid drop-bears!
OK, I guess there are several explanations of the source - that's just the one I found.
From now on, Tank is a Pommy.
Well, since we really like him, the correct term of endearment is "a Pommy bastard", we never bother insulting people we don't like. However, the word bastard (which says nothing about the subject's parentage) should only be used by fluent and expert speakers of Aussie English. Used appropriately with the correct tone of voice and preferably with a couple of stubbies* in your hand, a bastard can be your best mate, even more so if he is an old bastard as in "strewth it's hot! Get one of these into you, you old bastard". Other kinds of bastards include the unfortunate poor bastards and the wiley clever bastards. Complete bastards and proper bastards are terms only ever used in a perjorative sense. However even just the word bastard on it's own can be highly insulting if deliveref with the wrong tone of voice or facial expression. English speakers are advised to avoid using the word as it's many subtleties are very difficult for the non-native speaker to pick up on.
* A stubby is a small (375 ml) bottle of icy cold beer
You could say what you want to say and not pose as speaking for 23million
we are not special.
we live in a place that is
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: Bluenose on November 29, 2017, 12:59:57 PM
Well us Aussies (pronounced "ozzies" BTW) are far more inclusive than that, all residents of Great Britain are Pommies. Also, an alternative derivation of Pommy is from POME, Prisoner Of Mother England, a reflection perhaps on our convict history. You mileage may vary. Oh, and in most Aussie's eyes, at least in casual conversation, England includes Scotland and Wales, and all citizens of the USA are Yanks. But it's all OK, you're all welcome to come over and visit and we'll give you good advice on how to avoid drop-bears!
OK, I guess there are several explanations of the source - that's just the one I found.
From now on, Tank is a Pommy.
Hey, me too!
The anecdote I mentioned before. (You have to imagine the bit in italics as being in s strong German accent.) At an RAF base in Germany back in the Cold War days, a detachment of Aussies got in really well with the locals, especially the local police who looked after the main gates.
My mate was learning German and had asked these coppers to help him by always speaking German to him. But, after only two days of their Antipodean guests my mate was off out into town and greeted the gate guard, "Guten Morgen mein Freund!" The reply was,
"Guten Morgen, mein cobber, es ist ein fair dinkum tag, ja?"
Quote from: Bad Penny II on November 29, 2017, 04:16:59 PM
You could say what you want to say and not pose as speaking for 23million
we are not special.
we live in a place that is
Hey, I'm not trying to represent anyone. Just having a bit of fun and not taking myself too seriously.
The same sex marriage vote!
Hoot!
Quote from: Bluenose on November 29, 2017, 04:37:47 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on November 29, 2017, 04:16:59 PM
You could say what you want to say and not pose as speaking for 23million
we are not special.
we live in a place that is
Hey, I'm not trying to represent anyone. Just having a bit of fun and not taking myself too seriously.
Ye, I understand, you're probably in your cups, they voted magpie top bird,
what's with that?
Whip birds, do you have them down there?
Kookaburras, I think I've made mine a bit fearful.
I had these desperate tousled individuals turn up at my windows in wild weather.
They were turned away, ignored.
I think I may have broke some compact I never knew I made.
I'd split wood and they'd always be there
They're still there but they wait till I move away
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 29, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: Bluenose on November 29, 2017, 12:59:57 PM
Well us Aussies (pronounced "ozzies" BTW) are far more inclusive than that, all residents of Great Britain are Pommies. Also, an alternative derivation of Pommy is from POME, Prisoner Of Mother England, a reflection perhaps on our convict history. You mileage may vary. Oh, and in most Aussie's eyes, at least in casual conversation, England includes Scotland and Wales, and all citizens of the USA are Yanks. But it's all OK, you're all welcome to come over and visit and we'll give you good advice on how to avoid drop-bears!
OK, I guess there are several explanations of the source - that's just the one I found.
From now on, Tank is a Pommy.
Pommy bastard would be better :D
Quote from: Bad Penny II on November 29, 2017, 04:47:53 PM
The same sex marriage vote!
Hoot!
You betcha. Also, down here in Victoria the voluntary assisted dying bill has just passed in both houses and is headed to the Governor for assent. Restores my faith a bit that this country can do it right when it sets it's mind to it. Now we've just got to do something about the Manus refugee thing, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Glad to see you back, Blue! If you come back to Pommy-land, we still have some of that brandy left. ;)
Hello back, I'm front.
Quote from: OldGit on November 30, 2017, 09:50:34 AM
Glad to see you back, Blue! If you come back to Pommy-land, we still have some of that brandy left. ;)
Ooh, tempting. Especially if we can acquire some more of those pork pies we got in Iron Bridge! 8)
Quote from: No one on November 30, 2017, 11:29:59 PM
Hello back, I'm front.
LOL! ;D ;D ;D
The Pommie term is fabled to go way back in time when the British sailors would be at sea so long that they contracted cases of debilitating scurvy or beri-beri. That was then thought to be caused by a lack of some essential vitamin found in earthbound foods like kale or carrots or something of the sort. Turns out that pomegranates were rich in the essential vitamin or mineral or whatever. That fruit was plentiful in north Africa and western Asia. The Brit navy then provisioned their ships with that fruit so that each sailor could partake of his daily ration....Grog or watered down rum was also a daily ration it is said.
In the Atlantic seas, pomegranates were less durable and less available than another fruit that apparently had the essential trace ingredient. That would be limes. The rulers of the seas used whatever comestibles that might serve the purpose. Thus in the Indian ocean areas the Brit sailors were Pommies, and in the Atlantic side they were called Limeys. We Yanks called the Brits Limeys but did not have the creativity to call them Limey Bastards.
All the above might be enough to explain the terms used to describe the damnable British colonialists. Or maybe that is just idle conjecture. The tale works.................I can tell you with certainty that we yanks hold the Brits and the Ozzies in high esteem in these troubled times. The world is seriously fucked up and we need to stick together, and we who are paying attention do regard the Pommie Bastards and the Ozzies as our valued allies and we feel a valued kinship to them. (disclaimer; That last sentence applies only to those of us who have some sense of world community and those who do not have our heads up our asses)
I certainly heard the "Limey" story as a kid but the origin of "Pommie" is a new one on me.
I also remember wondering if us Brits were the only ones sensible enough to recognise an essential element (later called vitamin C) was missing for a constant diet of fish, salted meat and ships biscuit. Did other nations simply put up with the effects? I am sure the Spanish, French and Portuguese navies had a pretty bad collonial behaviour records as well, wonder if they had derogatory nicknames?
As far as lime juice is concerned, Leut James Cook was one of the first to insist his sailors took a daily ration. He suffered no fatalities from scurvy amongst the crew of the Endeavour until he reached Batavia. An unheard of feat in the 18th century. As a matter of interest the Navy, or at least the RAN, still issued "limers" to sailors until at least the 1980s (probably still do). This was a cordial of lime juice and electrolytes. When Melbourne was in the tropics, the boiler rooms would get to 50-60°C or more and the stokers would be required to drink at least a litre of the made-up cordial per half hour during their (shortened) 2 hour watch to maintain their bodily fluid level.
Quote from: Icarus on December 01, 2017, 11:54:54 PMThe tale works.................I can tell you with certainty that we yanks hold the Brits and the Ozzies in high esteem in these troubled times. The world is seriously fucked up and we need to stick together, and we who are paying attention do regard the Pommie Bastards and the Ozzies as our valued allies and we feel a valued kinship to them. (disclaimer; That last sentence applies only to those of us who have some sense of world community and those who do not have our heads up our asses)
I love you too Ic
I'd like to get on with everybody.
I don't hold any grudge towards the Japanese,
I forgive them their war atrocities, the nukes balanced it for me.
Germany seems to have been collectively repentant for a log time.
I don't understand why Russia dropped Gorbi and took up with Vlad.
He seemed kind but she wants strong, each to her own I suppose.
UK, you don't get to choose your parents, you could do worse.
India, hard to beat at home on their own pitches, wicked spinners.
China, ben elephant, trade good for all, don't why some doubt 'em.
"The world is seriously fucked up and we need to stick together"
You don't get on with yourself, neither do we, we're lacking tack.
Quote from: Dragonia on November 29, 2017, 01:54:41 PM
Most Deadly______ In The World. -- just fill in the blank with your favorite venomous creature.
Drop Bears.
:computerwave: I have a question.
Is this true? :eyebrow:
Wet koala:
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Dry koala:
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I don't knew why you say these things. I mean apart from the most venomous snakes in the world, and giant bull ants and crocodiles, and blue ringed octopuses, stonefish, box jelly fish and Irukandji, cone shells, sword grass, great white sharks, bull sharks, tiger sharks and sundry other insects, cassowaries, giant red kangaroos and emus and so on, hardly anything is out to get you...
Quote from: Magdalena on December 10, 2017, 06:51:11 AM
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:shocked:
:run!: