As a hetro male I desire females, lots of them but I can't have them and that's frustrating but that's my fault, my shortcoming, I don't blame woman for not desiring me.
I think some males resent females denying them themselves, resent them because they make them desire them with their powers, ahhh I don't know what they think but it's ugly.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 19, 2018, 02:19:42 PM
I think some males resent females denying them themselves, resent them because they make them desire them with their powers, ahhh I don't know what they think but it's ugly.
Some circles would call such guys "beta males". I'm more inclined to think of them as whiny little bitches. ...and girls don't want to date whiny little bitches. I mean, seriously, if you don't do it for some chick, it might have something to do with you! Man-up already, improve your position, or get used to your place; but don't go around doing the modern equivalent of burning witches just cuz she don't want to date little bitches. Making her "wrong" in any fashion over that is a denial of physical reality, and only serves to keep little bitches in their place. ...can't say I mind all that much, however; more game for me. =)
I'll endeavour to
Quote from: Rift Zone on April 19, 2018, 02:54:31 PM...can't say I mind all that much, however; more game for me. =)
That sounds a bit crass to my ear but thanks for the reply.
It was reported main stream that female medical student/doctors were being preyed upon by the senior Docs.
To get this far they had to be to top 0.25% of the population.
And still they were being preyed upon, it makes me want to break knees.
Be it noted:
I've never broken anyone's knee.
Call me Mr Ineffectual
I gave always been attracted to women who are practical, a bit independent (not stupidly so though).
Probably why I like my friend Jane, she will have a go at snything she can physically or ssfely attempt - but does not mind asking for help. I have no time at all for women who will never admit they are wrong and seek help from a bloke or play the weak and helpless female - and I have met both. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and really intelligent people admit that.
I'll take a slice of home made cake as "payment" for changing a wheel any day - can't bake Betty Crocker cake mix and get it right!
Quote from: Dave on April 19, 2018, 04:04:46 PM
I gave always been attracted to women who are practical, a bit independent (not stupidly so though).
Probably why I like my friend Jane, she will have a go at snything she can physically or ssfely attempt - but does not mind asking for help. I have no time at all for women who will never admit they are wrong and seek help from a bloke or play the weak and helpless female - and I have met both. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and really intelligent people admit that.
I'll take a slice of home made cake as "payment" for changing a wheel any day - can't bake Betty Crocker cake mix and get it right!
Slices of cake is payment in full but are you aware of any woman dislikers?
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 19, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
That sounds a bit crass to my ear but thanks for the reply.
yea, it was... however, I think it fulfilled the intent well enough... If I don't hit it off with someone I'd like to, it's not because she's a bitch, or I'm a victim of said bitch; it's just the way that goes, and that alone makes me more of a viable partner than others who are less sensible about the dynamics involved.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 19, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 19, 2018, 04:04:46 PM
I gave always been attracted to women who are practical, a bit independent (not stupidly so though).
Probably why I like my friend Jane, she will have a go at snything she can physically or ssfely attempt - but does not mind asking for help. I have no time at all for women who will never admit they are wrong and seek help from a bloke or play the weak and helpless female - and I have met both. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and really intelligent people admit that.
I'll take a slice of home made cake as "payment" for changing a wheel any day - can't bake Betty Crocker cake mix and get it right!
Slices of cake is payment in full but are you aware of any woman dislikers?
Not sure if "dislikers" is correct, I have met those who have a lack of respect for women but not complete mysogynists I think. Hmm, maybe it is a "gendered perception" thing but I feel that I have met more misandrists - women who are aggressively, verbally at least, anti men - than the other way round. But is that a sort of instilled defensive behaviour?
Trying to separate "casual" male aggression (verbal or phydical), in or out of relationships, from the conscious variety - but it could possibly be a thin line.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 19, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
dislikers?
Dislikers? is that what you were getting at in the OP? I got more "entitlement" out of it.
Quote from: Rift Zone on April 19, 2018, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 19, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
dislikers?
Dislikers? is that what you were getting at in the OP? I got more "entitlement" out of it.
Thanjs, RF, feeling "entitled" is a better eord than ghe concrpt of "cadual" I was trying to get my head round. But is the "entitled" bloke really a mydogynist? The term seems to include a certain conscious dislike, as Bad Penny suggests. "Entitlrment" in this context seems more inclined towards psychpathic behaviour, aggression accepted as being just a part of "the way things are."
Quote from: Dave on April 19, 2018, 07:42:57 PM
Quote from: Rift Zone on April 19, 2018, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 19, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
dislikers?
Dislikers? is that what you were getting at in the OP? I got more "entitlement" out of it.
Thanjs, RF, feeling "entitled" is a better eord than ghe concrpt of "cadual" I was trying to get my head round. But is the "entitled" bloke really a mydogynist? The term seems to include a certain conscious dislike, as Bad Penny suggests. "Entitlrment" in this context seems more inclined towards psychpathic behaviour, aggression accepted as being just a part of "the way things are."
It seems that was deliberately challenging. Well worth it, though: I love the way "mydogynist" came out! :lol:
Is the entitled bloke really a misogynist? I would say not necessarily, no... However, I do see parallels in the respective psychologies; and there is certainly a lot of room for both interacting, feeding off the other.
Note to seof: DO remember yo edot typis twixe
Quote from: Dave on April 19, 2018, 08:05:20 PM
Note to seof: DO remember yo edot typis twixe
lol right. I may not have much formal training in the area, but I do understand a bit about human psychology. Somehow, I'm not quite convinced typos are a primary concern of yours.
Quote from: Rift Zone on April 19, 2018, 08:20:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 19, 2018, 08:05:20 PM
Note to seof: DO remember yo edot typis twixe
lol right. I may not have much formal training in the area, but I do understand a bit about human psychology. Somehow, I'm not quite convinced typos are a primary concern of yours.
Even mispelt text retains its meaning. A certain physical inflexibility, couch slouch posture and feeling of a need for speed often means getting only near hits on the onscreen keyboard. On a normal keyboard I do better. I have a Bluetooth job for serious tabletting.
Wish I could find a spell checker that works with
every Android app, like the one on my Windows laptop does!
Get some fun results at times though! :)
This here thread. Is it Asmo-bait in its purest form? I mean, HOW can He resist going on a tirade about loathsomeness of the SJWs now?! Hm?! How, I aks?
I suppose the reasons for actual misogyny are about the same as for any other prejudice. Tribal mentality, identifying with particular groups and against others... That sort of stuff.
Of course, these days, there are those who will very loudly and in a most grating voice denounce you as misogynist for merely disagreeing with a woman, especially if the disagreement is not done in the most chivalrous way possible.
I think I'll leave the tirade to my transcriber... When I've found one I like, that is.
Quote from: Asmodean on April 20, 2018, 07:16:35 AM
This here thread. Is it Asmo-bait in its purest form? I mean, HOW can He resist going on a tirade about loathsomeness of the SJWs now?! Hm?! How, I aks?
I suppose the reasons for actual misogyny are about the same as for any other prejudice. Tribal mentality, identifying with particular groups and against others... That sort of stuff.
I think there might be another layer to it.
QuoteDriven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'
But we can't went away, leave it at that.
Fucking Darwin keeps bringing us back.
Most us make an accommodation
Others sour, rankle, seethe, fester...
And then there's the church stuff,
the sin of wanting/blaming the wanted
Why is slut a derogatory term?
Hmmm...
QuoteA van driver accused of killing 10 people (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43883052) in Toronto posted to Facebook minutes before the attack to praise a woman-hating mass shooter.
Alek Minassian - charged on Tuesday with 10 counts of murder and 13 counts of attempted murder - also referred to the misogynistic "incel" Reddit group.
Police say the 25-year-old intentionally drove a rental van into pedestrians on a busy pavement.
The suspect was arrested several streets away after a tense standoff with police.
The 10 dead and 14 wounded are "predominantly" women, ranging in age from their 20s to their 80s, police say.
The term "incel" refers to a now-banned group on the message site Reddit, used by Rodger, where young men discussed their lack of sexual activity, blaming women for the problem.
Some insights into the male mindset in America. I actually find most of this quite alien , beyond the basic "drives" that I do believe men have, but have to recognise that the makers of the programme chose the interviewees to match their purposes.
However, much of what is said leads into the more extreme attitudes I feel I see and hear from American mindset formers, from teachers and sportsmen to politicians and presidents, or at least the current one. However, looking at American history perhaps I see the origins of these attitudes. This is all part of the pattern I think.
QuoteIn the Southern state of North Carolina presenter Tim Samuel finds the contradictions and cultural clashes that are playing out across the US – with men often in the middle of the fallout.
Heading through the Appalachian mountains – where traditional blue-collar jobs have collapsed - he sees the social ravages of opioid addiction. Indeed, a doctor reveals that for the first time in generations male mortality is starting to move in the wrong direction; we are in the midst of a man crisis, he says. Away from the mountains – with their moonshine and NASCAR heritage - the clash between conservative and liberal values came to the fore over the state's controversial transgender bathroom bill. When men's expectations - and entitlements - for life aren't being met, when they feel threatened, that destructiveness can turn outwards on others too. Mass shootings - a male preserve. We hear of death threats over a billboard. In Charlotte, a former drug dealer and policeman talk about how their lives were changed after a chance meeting at a race protest, whilst over at an American football game, students from fraternities – which have been under fire in recent years - talk about political correctness on campus culture.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csxg1n
I've been watching the treatment of Hillary for decades, we had a female Labor prime minister for a while.
Well at the best of times conservatives can't abide the left in power, conservatives were born to rule.
They become more rabid when a women is raised above them, I found their behaviour repugnant.
I think their dog whistling was and is effective.
Have you had one expound their demented world view expecting you to be one them?
I know I have a pro woman bias, I'm going keep it though.
All men should teach their sons, "you don't hit girls".
Though so many fuck off leaving the women to do the lifting.
They are not an other, they are ours, they are us.
It's a bit dorky but anyway:
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 25, 2018, 03:18:19 PM
I've been watching the treatment of Hillary for decades, we had a female Labor prime minister for a while.
Well at the best of times conservatives can't abide the left in power, conservatives were born to rule.
They become more rabid when a women is raised above them, I found their behaviour repugnant.
I think their dog whistling was and is effective.
Have you had one expound their demented world view expecting you to be one them?
I know I have a pro woman bias, I'm going keep it though.
All men should teach their sons, "you don't hit girls".
Though so many fuck off leaving the women to do the lifting.
They are not an other, they are ours, they are us.
I don't know why I am getting into this but here I go anyway.
Women have more stamina. When looking at weight lifters, male and females have basic common physiology that works the same way. However, the difference comes from the sex hormones estrogen and testosterone. While males roughly have 6x more T while females have around 9x more E. The testosterone is good for males to be more explosive and spontaneous. Given the nature of male...nature, this may explain a lot. Going further, female's estrogen gives them the ability to be more slow, and last longer with more reps. And given the nature, this may be why they tend to live longer than men.
Of course these are basic common traits and do not apply to everyone, but these are just the way things work. This might be why the situation as it is that you say "men leave women to do the lifting".
Personally I think women can handle more stress than men, but they still need breaks. Everyone does.
Quote from: Arturo on April 26, 2018, 02:37:09 AM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 25, 2018, 03:18:19 PM
I've been watching the treatment of Hillary for decades, we had a female Labor prime minister for a while.
Well at the best of times conservatives can't abide the left in power, conservatives were born to rule.
They become more rabid when a women is raised above them, I found their behaviour repugnant.
I think their dog whistling was and is effective.
Have you had one expound their demented world view expecting you to be one them?
I know I have a pro woman bias, I'm going keep it though.
All men should teach their sons, "you don't hit girls".
Though so many fuck off leaving the women to do the lifting.
They are not an other, they are ours, they are us.
I don't know why I am getting into this but here I go anyway.
Women have more stamina. When looking at weight lifters, male and females have basic common physiology that works the same way. However, the difference comes from the sex hormones estrogen and testosterone. While males roughly have 6x more T while females have around 9x more E. The testosterone is good for males to be more explosive and spontaneous. Given the nature of male...nature, this may explain a lot. Going further, female's estrogen gives them the ability to be more slow, and last longer with more reps. And given the nature, this may be why they tend to live longer than men.
Of course these are basic common traits and do not apply to everyone, but these are just the way things work. This might be why the situation as it is that you say "men leave women to do the lifting".
Personally I think women can handle more stress than men, but they still need breaks. Everyone does.
Estrogen has protective effects (so much so that women going through menopause are at increased susceptibility to a number of diseases) whereas testosterone apparently harms everything but the testicles. Kind of funny how evolution works. The testicles are trying to not only survive but thrive in the male body.
QuoteEstrogen has protective effects (so much so that women going through menopause are at increased susceptibility to a number of diseases) whereas testosterone apparently harms everything but the testicles.
Hmm, perhaps this is part of the picture regarding manflu? Women get protection whereas us manly men are our own worst enemies?
:grin:
Perhaps I am glad that testosterone falls off a bit with advanced age! Though, having said that, since I have been taking Spironalactone, which contains lactose (which causes manboobs) my beard has grown faster - I now need to shave every day again to have a face as smooth as, er, a baby with nappy rash? (But I only bother if I am going out that day.)
Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2018, 10:03:02 PM
QuoteEstrogen has protective effects (so much so that women going through menopause are at increased susceptibility to a number of diseases) whereas testosterone apparently harms everything but the testicles.
Hmm, perhaps this is part of the picture regarding manflu? Women get protection whereas us manly men are our own worst enemies?
:grin:
I have no idea! :lol:
QuotePerhaps I am glad that testosterone falls off a bit with advanced age! Though, having said that, since I have been taking Spironalactone, which contains lactose (which causes manboobs) my beard has grown faster - I now need to shave every day again to have a face as smooth as, er, a baby with nappy rash? (But I only bother if I am going out that day.)
Really? I never heard of lactose causing manboobs before. :notsure:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on April 27, 2018, 10:07:46 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2018, 10:03:02 PM
QuoteEstrogen has protective effects (so much so that women going through menopause are at increased susceptibility to a number of diseases) whereas testosterone apparently harms everything but the testicles.
Hmm, perhaps this is part of the picture regarding manflu? Women get protection whereas us manly men are our own worst enemies?
:grin:
I have no idea! :lol:
QuotePerhaps I am glad that testosterone falls off a bit with advanced age! Though, having said that, since I have been taking Spironalactone, which contains lactose (which causes manboobs) my beard has grown faster - I now need to shave every day again to have a face as smooth as, er, a baby with nappy rash? (But I only bother if I am going out that day.)
Really? I never heard of lactose causing manboobs before. :notsure:
I think Dave is getting lactose mixed with prolactin. Lactose is sugar found in milk (which people are allergic to often). Prolectin is the female hormone that produces the milk....And then you drink it, with the lactose. And then...and then...well it's the circle of life.
Well . . .
For "manboobs" read "gynecomastia".
QuoteSpironolactone induces gynecomastia by blocking androgen production, by blocking androgens from binding to their receptors, and by increasing both total and free estrogen levels.
Change the age to 73, drop "severe" and make the duration 5 years and this about describes me:
QuoteA 62-year-old man with known coronary artery disease and ischemic left ventricular dysfunction presented with chest discomfort. His history was remarkable for New York Heart Association (NYHA) class IV congestive heart failure with depressed left ventricular ejection fraction. Physical examination revealed severe gynecomastia. The patient had been taking spironolactone (25 mg) daily for 8 years as part of his medication regimen for congestive heart failure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2719518
Later: milk is commonly a major cause of manboobs it seems but, other than small tubs of yoghurt for the past two months and in bought processed foods (cakes etc), I have not used milk or milk products for over ten years, probably 20.
Even later: my heart failure is probably borderline NYHA lll, there are times when I do get a little short of breath with ordinary activity. There is no actual mention of lactose bring the specific ingredient in Spironolactone as the cause of gynecomastia, that came from my GP.
Quote from: Dave on April 28, 2018, 05:47:35 AM
Later: milk is commonly a major cause of manboobs it seems but, other than small tubs of yoghurt for the past two months and in bought processed foods (cakes etc), I have not used milk or milk products for over ten years, probably 20.
Could be because of the hormones they give dairy cows.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on April 28, 2018, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 28, 2018, 05:47:35 AM
Later: milk is commonly a major cause of manboobs it seems but, other than small tubs of yoghurt for the past two months and in bought processed foods (cakes etc), I have not used milk or milk products for over ten years, probably 20.
Could be because of the hormones they give dairy cows.
Yes, that seems so, I mentioned it mainly so that it would be taken out of the equation since I had not consumed it for a long time. Actually a memory came back, I had a lump removed from under my right nipple at age 18 and was told it was benign at the time. Perhaps I am a bit prone?
Quote from: Dave on April 28, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on April 28, 2018, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 28, 2018, 05:47:35 AM
Later: milk is commonly a major cause of manboobs it seems but, other than small tubs of yoghurt for the past two months and in bought processed foods (cakes etc), I have not used milk or milk products for over ten years, probably 20.
Could be because of the hormones they give dairy cows.
Yes, that seems so, I mentioned it mainly so that it would be taken out of the equation since I had not consumed it for a long time. Actually a memory came back, I had a lump removed from under my right nipple at age 18 and was told it was benign at the time. Perhaps I am a bit prone?
Must be your milk in the UK. I drink tons of milk and am sorely lacking in the man boobs department.