Hey Gringos!
Ever wonder what the difference was between someone who identifies as either Latino or Hispanic?
...Or maybe you didn't realize there is a difference between the two?
Well than, the following Public Service Announcement is for you!
I'm Latino. I'm Hispanic. And they're different, so I drew a comic to explain. (http://www.vox.com/2015/8/19/9173457/hispanic-latino-comic)
Ahh fuck that noise. He's American and nobody cares if his mum's Mexican.
"I'm Italian" - No you're not you are American.
"I'm Irish" - No you're not you are American.
"I'm African" - No you're not you are American.
"I'm Polish" - No you're not you are American.
"I'm German" - No you're not you are American.
"I'm Indian" - No you're not you are American.
"I'm American" - Oh so your ancestors were English.
That might be my biggest bugbear. But thank you for your post Bruno, my irritated tapping wasn't aimed your direction.
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Human, it's the only race of people I am aware of. However, there are two distinct kinds of people. Cool ones, and assholes. Simple
But what about Chicano?
In my high school, a black football player came up with Beans (Hispanics, brown, frijoles), Buttermilks (white, plain), and Bullets (blacks, fast, deadly). I thought that was original.
Quote from: Crow on February 18, 2016, 12:00:46 AM
Ahh fuck that noise. He's American and nobody cares if his mum's Mexican.
"I'm Italian" - No you're not you are American. - No, you are not. Unless of course you are a permanent resident of The United States.
"I'm Irish" - No you're not you are American. - No, you are not. Unless of course you are a permanent resident of The United States.
"I'm African" - No you're not you are American. - No, you are not. Unless of course you are a permanent resident of The United States.
"I'm Polish" - No you're not you are American. - No, you are not. Unless of course you are a permanent resident of The United States.
"I'm German" - No you're not you are American. - No, you are not. Unless of course you are a permanent resident of The United States.
"I'm Indian" - No you're not you are American. - No, you are not. Unless of course you are a permanent resident of The United States.
"I'm American" - Oh so your ancestors were English. - Unless they were from somewhere else, like, say, Mexico or North Korea.
That might be my biggest bugbear. But thank you for your post Bruno, my irritated tapping wasn't aimed your direction.
FYP :-)
Taken in the most well-meaning light, that comic fails to address the fact that there are people who strenuously object to being called "Hispanic," even if it's correct, according to Mr. Blas (he needs to tell Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hispanic) they don't know what they're talking about: "of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain or of Spain and Portugal").
Quote from: No one on February 18, 2016, 03:33:41 AM
Human, it's the only race of people I am aware of. However, there are two distinct kinds of people. Cool ones, and assholes. Simple
Human is an umbrella term. I think the race you are refering to is Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
Personally, I differentiate between a lot more than cool
H. Sapiens Sapienses and assholes, but then I have a distaste for broad generalizations except where obviously applicable (That is, not relating to philosophical constructs such as "coolness") And if that makes me an asshole, well, that's not my problem.
Wether one identifies as Latino or Hispanic has nothing to do with whether they are American or not (Whether by birth or naturalization). You can be Latino and live in Canada, or England or even Botswana for that matter.
Here in the US you hear these two terms used quite frequently (Interchangebly) especially now with the Presidential election going on. For example you might hear that Ted Cruz is vying for the
Latino vote among voters in Florida, even though Jeb Bush was the former Governor there,... or that Marco Rubio is expected to pole well with
Hispanic voters in the southeast.
My wife is the one that actually sent me the link that I posted at the beginning of this thread (She has been discussing this issue of Latino/Hispanic lately, especially with regards to negative views of immigrants who identify as such).
She refers to herself most often as being Latino, because she was born in Honduras, but she is of course also Hispanic because she speaks Spanish (She is an American citizen by Naturalization).
Her family who all live in Honduras also refer to themselves as Latinos. Our daughter also identifies herself as Latino and Hispanic because she was born in Honduras, and speaks Spanish (She is American citizen as well)
Our son also identifies himself as Latino (When I discuss this with him briefly last night he said he prefers the term Militant Latino, because he is a strong advocate for immigrant rights, and fights against discrimination) However, he doesn't identify as Hispanic because he doesn't really speak Spanish.
These distinctions matter for them a lot, especially when you have someone like Trump making horrible, disgusting comments about murdering, raping immigrants coming from Mexico (Latinos)...and he is currently the front runner for the GOP.
Another point is this also has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
Quote from: Recusant on February 18, 2016, 09:54:46 AM
Taken in the most well-meaning light, that comic fails to address the fact that there are people who strenuously object to being called "Hispanic," even if it's correct, according to Mr. Blas (he needs to tell Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hispanic) they don't know what they're talking about: "of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain or of Spain and Portugal").
Very true, there are some who do not like being referred to as Latino. Some well known actors, writers and athletes come to mind, who for example don't like being referred to as "A Latino Baseball" player.
When my son played soccer in High School the front line of his team referred to themselves sometimes as the "Latino Front" because they were all of Latin heritage.
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You might want to keep the door closed Mags, and sorry for bringing this thread up.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on February 18, 2016, 02:07:04 PM
Wether one identifies as Latino or Hispanic has nothing to do with whether they are American or not (Whether by birth or naturalization). You can be Latino and live in Canada, or England or even Botswana for that matter.
Here in the US you hear these two terms used quite frequently (Interchangebly) especially now with the Presidential election going on. For example you might hear that Ted Cruz is vying for the Latino vote among voters in Florida, even though Jeb Bush was the former Governor there,... or that Marco Rubio is expected to pole well with Hispanic voters in the southeast.
My wife is the one that actually sent me the link that I posted at the beginning of this thread (She has been discussing this issue of Latino/Hispanic lately, especially with regards to negative views of immigrants who identify as such).
She refers to herself most often as being Latino, because she was born in Honduras, but she is of course also Hispanic because she speaks Spanish (She is an American citizen by Naturalization).
Her family who all live in Honduras also refer to themselves as Latinos. Our daughter also identifies herself as Latino and Hispanic because she was born in Honduras, and speaks Spanish (She is American citizen as well)
Our son also identifies himself as Latino (When I discuss this with him briefly last night he said he prefers the term Militant Latino, because he is a strong advocate for immigrant rights, and fights against discrimination) However, he doesn't identify as Hispanic because he doesn't really speak Spanish.
These distinctions matter for them a lot, especially when you have someone like Trump making horrible, disgusting comments about murdering, raping immigrants coming from Mexico (Latinos)...and he is currently the front runner for the GOP.
Another point is this also has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
My problem isn't whether people have cultural pride but rather using that as a method of creating a self imposed form of cultural segregation in a country where people are all mongrel (like pretty much every other country unless you happen to be inbred) and all have a shared heritage of a diverse cultural background. The self identification to such groups often seems they like the idea of belong to one group or another when in reality they have little real ties to a country beyond a parent, a holiday or a few summers living with relatives.
Not only is it a self imposed form of segregation it is used by individuals such as Trump as an us verses them attitude, he comes with his self-righteous pomp about being an American and uses such terms to segregate them from other Americans whilst failing to identify that is what makes them American just like everybody else.
Maybe it is just a cultural distaste on my part. Throughout my life I have known many people who have a recent heritage from other nations such as China, Pakistan, India, Spain, France, Africa nations, various Caribbean islands and many others they always associate with being English and find it offensive in the most part when heritage is brought up though they will be proud of it. The only exceptions I see more frequent than any others would be Pakistani and Irish. Usually it is similar to how Scissorlegs brings up his French/American background from time to time, he is English and nobody really cares about the other stuff beyond small talk.
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This is what this conversation looks like from my angle.
Quote from: Magdalena on February 18, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
This is what this conversation looks like from my angle.
You mean from a broomstick? Bruja!
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on February 18, 2016, 11:51:17 PM
You mean from a broomstick? Bruja!
Careful Mags and Bruno are up to something.
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It's a bit odd to me that people would use an umbrella term to describe those from countries with such mixed heritage. In Brazil for instance (according to that comic we're all Latinos but not Hispanic) we have people of Portuguese, Spanish, German, Italian, Polish, Arabic, Japanese and African descent, not to mention native americans, among others.
As far as I know, we don't call people of Spanish-speaking countries 'Hispanics'. :nu-uh:
I think that they are too diverse culturally to be jumbled up as well.
So what counts, language? There are cities in Brazil that speak only German, for instance. They're Brazilian but are they Latinos?
So yeah, I don't agree with the labels. :teadrink:
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Quote from: Magdalena on February 18, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
This is what this conversation looks like from my angle.
You mean from a broomstick? Bruja!
(Angry Personal Message)
You guys don't want to hear it.
Please continue with your party, I know I'm not invited.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on February 17, 2016, 08:03:05 PM
Hey Gringos!
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on February 18, 2016, 02:07:04 PM
You might want to keep the door closed Mags, and sorry for bringing this thread up.
Quote from: Magdalena on February 19, 2016, 03:02:00 AM
Please continue with your party, I know I'm not invited.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on February 17, 2016, 08:03:05 PM
Hey Gringos!
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on February 18, 2016, 02:07:04 PM
You might want to keep the door closed Mags, and sorry for bringing this thread up.
I'd have a party just so I could invite you :grin:
In fact I'd have a party just so I could invite all of you!
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This is what this conversation looks like from my angle.
That's probably me up on the gate. I always want to look tough and cool, but there are always easier ways.
Quote from: Tank on February 19, 2016, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on February 19, 2016, 03:02:00 AM
Please continue with your party, I know I'm not invited.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on February 17, 2016, 08:03:05 PM
Hey Gringos!
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on February 18, 2016, 02:07:04 PM
You might want to keep the door closed Mags, and sorry for bringing this thread up.
I'd have a party just so I could invite you :grin:
My dear,
Tank...
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This is what this conversation looks like from my angle.
That's probably me up on the gate. I always want to look tough and cool, but there are always easier ways.
I do the same thing. :snicker:
Latino or Hispanic? Simple answer to those of us who are one or the other.
...But I'm not invited, so I won't say a thing. :smileshake:
I'll let a Norwegian, a British, and
a Gringo answer the question. :smilenod:
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This is what this conversation looks like from my angle.
That's probably me up on the gate. I always want to look tough and cool, but there are always easier ways.
I do the same thing. :snicker:
Latino or Hispanic? Simple answer to those of us who are one or the other.
...But I'm not invited, so I won't say a thing. :smileshake:
I'll let a Norwegian, a British, and a Gringo answer the question. :smilenod:
Well, my girlfriends' mother was born in Mexico and had emigrated to the the US, so I feel that I have more than enough personal experience, firsthand knowledge, professional training, and sturdy enough legs...
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...to keep my mouth shut about it.
Seriously, I haven't had to use those terms at all.
Quote from: Magdalena on February 19, 2016, 07:50:09 PM
I do the same thing. :snicker:
Latino or Hispanic? Simple answer to those of us who are one or the other.
...But I'm not invited, so I won't say a thing. :smileshake:
I'll let a Norwegian, a British, and a Gringo answer the question. :smilenod:
Racist!
Quote from: Crow on February 19, 2016, 08:12:40 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on February 19, 2016, 07:50:09 PM
I do the same thing. :snicker:
Latino or Hispanic? Simple answer to those of us who are one or the other.
...But I'm not invited, so I won't say a thing. :smileshake:
I'll let a Norwegian, a British, and a Gringo answer the question. :smilenod:
Racist!
I'm an Atheist-Latina-Hippie-Witch but I'm not racist. :smileshake: I used the word
Gringo because that's the word, a
Gringo, like
Bruno de la Pole, used. :P
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This is what this conversation looks like from my angle.
That's probably me up on the gate. I always want to look tough and cool, but there are always easier ways.
I do the same thing. :snicker:
Latino or Hispanic? Simple answer to those of us who are one or the other.
...But I'm not invited, so I won't say a thing. :smileshake:
I'll let a Norwegian, a British, and a Gringo answer the question. :smilenod:
Well, my girlfriends' mother was born in Mexico and had emigrated to the the US, so I feel that I have more than enough personal experience, firsthand knowledge, professional training, and sturdy enough legs...
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...to keep my mouth shut about it.
Seriously, I haven't had to use those terms at all.
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Quote from: Magdalena on February 19, 2016, 09:40:04 PM
I'm an Atheist-Latina-Hippie-Witch but I'm not racist. :smileshake: I used the word Gringo because that's the word, a Gringo, like Bruno de la Pole, used. :P
Bruno is a confused racist like Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks :P
I'd consider the word gringo racist when used outside the context of "foreigner" in a Spanish speaking country and even then that can still be a highlight of racism. It essentially means "not one of us" with emphasis as your italics nicely highlighting the fact. It might not be used in the same way that the harsher specific race identifiers are used but the usage of the word is often racist whether those that use the word like it or not. I'm sure many racists were annoyed when the Spanish word for black was deemed to be racist "because that's the word".
Quote from: Crow on February 19, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on February 19, 2016, 09:40:04 PM
I'm an Atheist-Latina-Hippie-Witch but I'm not racist. :smileshake: I used the word Gringo because that's the word, a Gringo, like Bruno de la Pole, used. :P
Bruno is a confused racist like Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks :P
I'd consider the word gringo racist when used outside the context of "foreigner" in a Spanish speaking country and even then that can still be a highlight of racism. It essentially means "not one of us" with emphasis as your italics nicely highlighting the fact. It might not be used in the same way that the harsher specific race identifiers are used but the usage of the word is often racist whether those that use the word like it or not. I'm sure many racists were annoyed when the Spanish word for black was deemed to be racist "because that's the word".
I think you and I had a similar conversation about the word,
Cholo or
Chola. In Europe it means something different than here, in the US. In Peru the word Cholo means something entirely different than what you or I said. When it comes to me being racist because I used the word, Gringo--because
Bruno de la Pole used it to address a group of people when he made the post--Well, We'll just have to wait and see how offended he is, and if he is, I'll apologize to him. ;)
Is this the, Latino or Hispanic, or Gringo-Thread, now?
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One more thing. I sometimes put foreign words in italics, it has nothing to do with what you said.
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Foreign Words or Phrases
If a word or phrase has become so widely used and understood that it has become part of the English language — such as the French "bon voyage" or the abbreviation for the latin et cetera, "etc." — we would not italicize it. Often this becomes a matter of private judgment and context. For instance, whether you italicize the Italian sotto voce depends largely on your audience and your subject matter.
Quote from: Magdalena on February 19, 2016, 10:53:38 PM
Is this the, Latino or Hispanic, or Gringo-Thread, now?
It's like every other thread on the forum. An extension of "What's on your mind today?".
My cousin is marrying a latina from Texas. He's Southern Baptist (they're taught Catholics are all going to hell) and his mother says if he converts to Catholicism, she'll disown him...but not the baby.
-Nam
I identify as male, specifically white, cis, able-bodied, neurotypical, and moderately well-monied. I am also a Gringo (Of Polish-American Descent with some German thrown in).
I am...Uncle Gringo, El Gringito, Green-Go, Fucking Gringo, Gringo Americano, El Gringo es muy guapo, Gringo Esposo, Gringo Diabolo, one of the famous, "Tres Gringo's", Gringo Amigo, El Gringo, El Gringolito, Es muy stupido gringo.
...And do let us not forget the Special Forces Asmo with a fork up his ass and broccoli camouflage. Spreading grumpiness one bite at a time. Also, making little children cry. Mwaha! >:(
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