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Title: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 04:45:50 AM
I get really tired at a certain time of night and my body gets really weak, all very quickly. This all started after I did the sensory deprivation. It started off with extreme sudden sleepiness. But that let up a little bit and now my body gets weak too.

Any idea why?
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2017, 05:03:52 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 04:45:50 AM
I get really tired at a certain time of night and my body gets really weak, all very quickly. This all started after I did the sensory deprivation. It started off with extreme sudden sleepiness. But that let up a little bit and now my body gets weak too.

Any idea why?

Have you had any ear problems, Arturo, pain or "fluffy" hearing?
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Magdalena on July 15, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 04:45:50 AM
I get really tired at a certain time of night and my body gets really weak, all very quickly. This all started after I did the sensory deprivation. It started off with extreme sudden sleepiness. But that let up a little bit and now my body gets weak too.

Any idea why?

The  :airquotes: sensory deprivation :airquotes: is basically just a bath, isn't it?  :chin:

Could a bath be making you sleepy?
Quote
Why do we feel sleepy after taking a bath?

1 Answer
Eggy Rab
Answered Nov 17, 2016
Well basically there are chemicals present in certain parts of the brain called endochrinious fluids, which are responsible for causing sleepiness. These are mainly found in the hippothalmus. A certain temperature of water on your skin causes sensory neurones to become stimulated in a certain way, causing them to send a unique signal to the brain. This signal causes the 'sleep activator' to be released and transported around the body. It causes muscles to relax more and slows your heart rate.

Hope this helped.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-we-feel-sleepy-after-taking-a-bath (https://www.quora.com/Why-do-we-feel-sleepy-after-taking-a-bath)

"A certain temperature of water"  :thoughtful:
...I wonder if changing the temperature of your  :airquotes: sensory deprivation chamber :airquotes: would make a difference in how you feel afterwards.  :eyebrow:


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Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 15, 2017, 05:03:52 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 04:45:50 AM
I get really tired at a certain time of night and my body gets really weak, all very quickly. This all started after I did the sensory deprivation. It started off with extreme sudden sleepiness. But that let up a little bit and now my body gets weak too.

Any idea why?

Have you had any ear problems, Arturo, pain or "fluffy" hearing?

Not really. Sometimes I wake up with pain in my ear from sleeping on it.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 15, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 04:45:50 AM
I get really tired at a certain time of night and my body gets really weak, all very quickly. This all started after I did the sensory deprivation. It started off with extreme sudden sleepiness. But that let up a little bit and now my body gets weak too.

Any idea why?

The  :airquotes: sensory deprivation :airquotes: is basically just a bath, isn't it?  :chin:

Could a bath be making you sleepy?
Quote
Why do we feel sleepy after taking a bath?

1 Answer
Eggy Rab
Answered Nov 17, 2016
Well basically there are chemicals present in certain parts of the brain called endochrinious fluids, which are responsible for causing sleepiness. These are mainly found in the hippothalmus. A certain temperature of water on your skin causes sensory neurones to become stimulated in a certain way, causing them to send a unique signal to the brain. This signal causes the 'sleep activator' to be released and transported around the body. It causes muscles to relax more and slows your heart rate.

Hope this helped.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-we-feel-sleepy-after-taking-a-bath (https://www.quora.com/Why-do-we-feel-sleepy-after-taking-a-bath)

"A certain temperature of water"  :thoughtful:
...I wonder if changing the temperature of your  :airquotes: sensory deprivation chamber :airquotes: would make a difference in how you feel afterwards.  :eyebrow:


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Yeah yeah I know you're kidding :D
I haven't done the deprivation thing in forever. I just did it a few times then stopped.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2017, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 15, 2017, 05:03:52 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 04:45:50 AM
I get really tired at a certain time of night and my body gets really weak, all very quickly. This all started after I did the sensory deprivation. It started off with extreme sudden sleepiness. But that let up a little bit and now my body gets weak too.

Any idea why?

Have you had any ear problems, Arturo, pain or "fluffy" hearing?

Not really. Sometimes I wake up with pain in my ear from sleeping on it.

So do I! From short term discomfort to hours of shooting pains. Could be a product of my low blood pressure. Now I find ways to rest my head without pressure on the ear.

Inner ear infection can cause drowsiness and wobblyness, but I have to admit more like balance problems than what you describe.

Personally I would give up weird "treatnent" systems and regimes! A good diet, pleanty of fluids and sufficient, moderate, exercise to keep the muscles toned and the flab off is enough.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: hermes2015 on July 15, 2017, 01:29:27 PM
I stopped sleeping on pillows about two years ago. Instead of a pillow, I fold a bath towel until I have a pad about 50mm thick. This cured my neck pains and I immediately started sleeping much better.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: hermes2015 on July 15, 2017, 01:29:27 PM
I stopped sleeping on pillows about two years ago. Instead of a pillow, I fold a bath towel until I have a pad about 50mm thick. This cured my neck pains and I immediately started sleeping much better.

Good thinking Ba... Hermes. I often find my head off the pillow altogether, otherwise I try to rest only the side of my skull on it, not down to the ear. Luckily I rarely suffer neck problems unless I am looking downwards whilst reading or on the laptop for long periods.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 03:42:02 PM
I would like to sleep on the floor sometimes. I mean that's the natural way to sleep. Not all the time though but it does have it's benefits!
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 15, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
Well, technically I am.  I went to medical school.....

How have you been feeling otherwise?  Any signs of infection or illness?
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Magdalena on July 15, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.
Ha-ha!  :grin:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2017, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.

Drink enough in one go and it cures everything!
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2017, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 15, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.
Ha-ha!  :grin:

Wonder if hot tequila and lime would work?

:beer:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Magdalena on July 15, 2017, 08:25:22 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 15, 2017, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.

Drink enough in one go and it cures everything!

EVERYTHING!
;D
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Magdalena on July 15, 2017, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 15, 2017, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 15, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.
Ha-ha!  :grin:

Wonder if hot tequila and lime would work?

:beer:
I'm very sure tequila cures everything, even without the lime.   :yum:
:beer:

Arturo, you're so lucky to have us as your doctor.  :tellmemore:

Pretty soon, the weakness and the extreme sudden sleepiness will be gone, all you have to deal with is the "small, insignificant side effects" of the "medicine."  :snicker:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 11:01:30 PM
You guys and your alcohol lol
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 15, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
Well, technically I am.  I went to medical school.....

How have you been feeling otherwise?  Any signs of infection or illness?

No signs of infection or illness. I do have a psychotic disorder which affects brain chemistry. But otherwise I can say I've been feeling really good.

Edit: I do have mild and involuntary muscle tightening in the back of my head though.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Magdalena on July 16, 2017, 07:17:07 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 11:01:30 PM
You guys and your alcohol lol
Sorry. Totally forgot about what you said in the other thread...about alcoholics dying.  :(

Well, you really can't blame us.  :smileshake:
You have given us permission to practice medicine without a licence.   :smilenod:
:grin:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 16, 2017, 08:44:53 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 15, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
Well, technically I am.  I went to medical school.....

How have you been feeling otherwise?  Any signs of infection or illness?

No signs of infection or illness. I do have a psychotic disorder which affects brain chemistry. But otherwise I can say I've been feeling really good.

Edit: I do have mild and involuntary muscle tightening in the back of my head though.

Do you take antipsychotic medication? Some of them can make you very sleepy and can have impact on muscles too.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 16, 2017, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 16, 2017, 08:44:53 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 15, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
Well, technically I am.  I went to medical school.....

How have you been feeling otherwise?  Any signs of infection or illness?

No signs of infection or illness. I do have a psychotic disorder which affects brain chemistry. But otherwise I can say I've been feeling really good.

Edit: I do have mild and involuntary muscle tightening in the back of my head though.

Do you take antipsychotic medication? Some of them can make you very sleepy and can have impact on muscles too.

Yes. Although the current on that I am on makes your muscles tighten, not weaken. Which is why I get it in the back of my head.

Also last week I went to the gym 4 days in a row, which is not normal for me. I usually go every other day to give myself some rest. I ran each day and had one long day where I focused only on legs. Each day I go I work 1-3 groups of muscles on that day.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: xSilverPhinx on July 16, 2017, 01:51:05 PM
Out of curiosity, are you getting muscle twitches as well after going to the gym 4 days in a row?
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 16, 2017, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on July 16, 2017, 01:51:05 PM
Out of curiosity, are you getting muscle twitches as well after going to the gym 4 days in a row?

A little yeah. That's not out of the ordinary though.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: jumbojak on July 16, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.

Don't forget to put some mustard on it too.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 16, 2017, 05:08:14 PM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 16, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
Hot whisky and lemon.

Don't forget to put some mustard on it too.

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Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 16, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Quote from: Arturo on July 16, 2017, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 16, 2017, 08:44:53 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 15, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
Well, technically I am.  I went to medical school.....

How have you been feeling otherwise?  Any signs of infection or illness?

No signs of infection or illness. I do have a psychotic disorder which affects brain chemistry. But otherwise I can say I've been feeling really good.

Edit: I do have mild and involuntary muscle tightening in the back of my head though.

Do you take antipsychotic medication? Some of them can make you very sleepy and can have impact on muscles too.

Yes. Although the current on that I am on makes your muscles tighten, not weaken. Which is why I get it in the back of my head.

Also last week I went to the gym 4 days in a row, which is not normal for me. I usually go every other day to give myself some rest. I ran each day and had one long day where I focused only on legs. Each day I go I work 1-3 groups of muscles on that day.

It sounds like you're doing a lot which would explain the tiredness.  My tiredness hits me suddenly too, I can be fine and awake one minute and the next I literally cannot keep my eyes open no matter what I do.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 16, 2017, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 16, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Quote from: Arturo on July 16, 2017, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 16, 2017, 08:44:53 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 15, 2017, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 15, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
Well, technically I am.  I went to medical school.....

How have you been feeling otherwise?  Any signs of infection or illness?

No signs of infection or illness. I do have a psychotic disorder which affects brain chemistry. But otherwise I can say I've been feeling really good.

Edit: I do have mild and involuntary muscle tightening in the back of my head though.

Do you take antipsychotic medication? Some of them can make you very sleepy and can have impact on muscles too.

Yes. Although the current on that I am on makes your muscles tighten, not weaken. Which is why I get it in the back of my head.

Also last week I went to the gym 4 days in a row, which is not normal for me. I usually go every other day to give myself some rest. I ran each day and had one long day where I focused only on legs. Each day I go I work 1-3 groups of muscles on that day.

It sounds like you're doing a lot which would explain the tiredness.  My tiredness hits me suddenly too, I can be fine and awake one minute and the next I literally cannot keep my eyes open no matter what I do.

Yes I always do a lot. During school I was also doing that and keeping up with family. I had a thread about this somewhere where I was concerned that I was crashing from doing so much for so long.

Edit: This is the post I refered to, although not it's own thread. http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg354386#msg354386

I suspect that maybe because I am a guy, I am told that there is not too much work for me. So when I say I'm tired suddenly or my body gets weak, people who know me offline say I'm just not used to it. Although if that were true, I've been at this gym thing for over two and a half years. Why is it just hitting me now? It's not the usual hump to get over when you don't exercise for awhile.

I know that feeling well. I see it in my cousin. I know it inside and out. It's like you said, suddenly sleepy and nothing you can do.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2017, 01:08:09 PM
I am wondering if it is possible to acquire a chemical dependancy on peppermint!

After reading in fairly authorative places that p-mint infusion can be good for IBS I decided to give it a go. Seems to have worked, took a few months to make much difference but have not suffered the cramps and extremes of "habit" for the past year or so.

Then, during the hot weather, I dropped my six-a-day p-mint habit for just plain, cold water. Then I started suffering night cramps, restless legs, irritation, anxiety, restlesness, extra insomnia . . .

Have I developed a dependancy? After going back to my old drinking habit for a couple of days I slept far better last night!
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2017, 05:35:11 PM
Well, lots on calming gastric smooth muscle but nothing on overall side effects!

Also lots on Linux systems called Mint and Peppermjnt and associated hitches and dependancies, don't think there is that kind of hitch in my system, hardware or software... Perhaps Matrix had the right idea, fix it with a modification to the code, disguised as a purple pill with green spots maybe!

Never mind, just so long as the twitches etc stay away and I get more sleep.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 23, 2017, 06:25:09 PM
If I'm not mistaken, I believe mint and peppermint contain menthol.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
Quote from: Arturo on July 23, 2017, 06:25:09 PM
If I'm not mistaken, I believe mint and peppermint contain menthol.

QuoteDried peppermint typically has 0.3–0.4% of volatile oil containing menthol (7–48%), menthone (20–46%), menthyl acetate (3–10%), menthofuran (1–17%) and 1,8-cineol (3–6%). Peppermint oil also contains small amounts of many additional compounds including limonene, pulegone, caryophyllene and pinene.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint

And

QuoteMenthol is an organic compound made synthetically or obtained from corn mint, peppermint, or other mint oils. It is a waxy, crystalline substance, clear or white in colour, which is solid at room temperature and melts slightly above. The main form of menthol occurring in nature is (−)-menthol, which is assigned the (1R,2S,5R) configuration. Menthol has local anesthetic and counterirritant qualities, and it is widely used to relieve minor throat irritation. Menthol also acts as a weak kappa opioid receptor agonist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menthol

So, it is a local anaethetic and a wesk opioid receptor antagonist. Can never remember whether an antagonist resists or admits things.  So it has very minor "drug" type effects. I am a bit intolerant to opioids, have trouble with codeine and medical morphines. The local anaesthetic probably slows down and relaxes the gut a bit, helping with IBS. My father used to almost live on extra strong mints, was never without a tube or a bag of them!
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 23, 2017, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Gloucester
Menthol also acts as a weak kappa opioid receptor agonist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Κ-opioid_receptor

QuoteThe κ-opioid receptor (KOR) is a protein that in humans is encoded by the OPRK1 gene. The KOR is one of four related receptors that bind opioid-like compounds in the brain and are responsible for mediating the effects of these compounds. These effects include altering nociception, consciousness, motor control, and mood.

QuoteNociception (also nocioception or nociperception, from Latin nocere 'to harm or hurt') is the sensory nervous system's response to certain harmful or potentially harmful stimuli. In nociception, intense chemical (e.g., chili powder in the eyes), mechanical (e.g., cutting, crushing), or thermal (heat and cold) stimulation of sensory nerve cells called nociceptors produces a signal that travels along a chain of nerve fibers via the spinal cord to the brain.[1] Nociception triggers a variety of physiological and behavioral responses and usually results in a subjective experience of pain in sentient beings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nociception


I can see it having some withdrawl effects. Things seem worse than they are after taking for extended periods. Plus peppermint makes you sleepy so this could explain what you are going through.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2017, 09:23:21 PM
OMG, I'm a peppermint junkie!  :shocked:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 23, 2017, 11:53:45 PM
Baheheh
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Magdalena on July 24, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 23, 2017, 09:23:21 PM
OMG, I'm a peppermint junkie!  :shocked:
Hey, Gloucester, give me some.


We could smoke dried peppermint tea leaves...and see what happens to our brains.  :suspicious:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 24, 2017, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 24, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 23, 2017, 09:23:21 PM
OMG, I'm a peppermint junkie!  :shocked:
Hey, Gloucester, give me some.


We could smoke dried peppermint tea leaves...and see what happens to our brains.  :suspicious:

You'd probably get really tired and want to take a nap for the next few days  ;)
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Magdalena on July 24, 2017, 01:50:22 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 24, 2017, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 24, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 23, 2017, 09:23:21 PM
OMG, I'm a peppermint junkie!  :shocked:
Hey, Gloucester, give me some.


We could smoke dried peppermint tea leaves...and see what happens to our brains.  :suspicious:

You'd probably get really tired and want to take a nap for the next few days  ;)

And...how do you know this?  :eyebrow:






:grin:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 24, 2017, 02:36:19 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 24, 2017, 01:50:22 AM
Quote from: Arturo on July 24, 2017, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 24, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 23, 2017, 09:23:21 PM
OMG, I'm a peppermint junkie!  :shocked:
Hey, Gloucester, give me some.


We could smoke dried peppermint tea leaves...and see what happens to our brains.  :suspicious:

You'd probably get really tired and want to take a nap for the next few days  ;)

And...how do you know this?  :eyebrow:






:grin:

Cuz I look at things on the internet lol :DDD
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Velma on July 24, 2017, 08:26:41 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 24, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 23, 2017, 09:23:21 PM
OMG, I'm a peppermint junkie!  :shocked:
Hey, Gloucester, give me some.


We could smoke dried peppermint tea leaves...and see what happens to our brains.  :suspicious:
Peppermint tea?
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
Next I'll be spending all my money on bottles of peppermint oil and tubs of Mentholatum to rub on and sniff in paper bags and stuff!  :whirly:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: hermes2015 on July 24, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 24, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
Next I'll be spending all my money on bottles of peppermint oil and tubs of Mentholatum to rub on and sniff in paper bags and stuff!  :whirly:

It's always so sad when that happens. Sitting in the street, depending on the kindness of strangers.
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Claireliontamer on July 24, 2017, 12:53:44 PM
MAD - mint addiction disorder
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: hermes2015 on July 24, 2017, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 24, 2017, 12:53:44 PM
MAD - mint addiction disorder

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2017, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 24, 2017, 12:53:44 PM
MAD - mint addiction disorder
:rofl:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2017, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: hermes2015 on July 24, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on July 24, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
Next I'll be spending all my money on bottles of peppermint oil and tubs of Mentholatum to rub on and sniff in paper bags and stuff!  :whirly:

It's always so sad when that happens. Sitting in the street, depending on the kindness of strangers.

Yeah, I can see it now, sitting there muttering, "Spare an extra-strong mint, guv. Only the one, just to keep me going, honest."  :sadnod:
Title: Re: I know you're not doctors...
Post by: Arturo on July 24, 2017, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on July 24, 2017, 12:53:44 PM
MAD - mint addiction disorder

She's a doctor. That means this is true.