Author Topic: Ask a Brit III  (Read 142 times)

BooksCatsEtc

  • Surprisingly OK
  • Global Moderator
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 8684
  • Gender: Female
Ask a Brit III
« on: January 11, 2018, 07:02:46 PM »
Because we seem to have lost the last two incarnations of this thread, and I just wanted to share this with my question:


In the vid they keep referring to Patrick Stewart as "Sir Stewart".  I thought it was supposed to be Sir First Name, not Sir Last Name but then I remembered Sir William Lucas from Pride and Prejudice, who was always referred to as "Sir Lucas".  So which is it, or does it matter at all?
Sandy

  
"I think this is the prettiest world -- as long as you don't mind a little dying, how could there be a day in your whole life that doesn't have its splash of happiness?"  from The Kingfisher, by Mary Oliver

Dave

  • Formerly known as Gloucester
  • Blessing Her Holy Hooves
  • *****
  • Posts: 4662
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 07:15:41 PM »
Never noticed "Sir Surname".

If Wiki is any authority it should be "Sir Given-name".
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.

BooksCatsEtc

  • Surprisingly OK
  • Global Moderator
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 8684
  • Gender: Female
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 08:53:02 PM »
Never noticed "Sir Surname".

If Wiki is any authority it should be "Sir Given-name".

That's what I thought, because I remember when Mick Jagger was knighted he said he'd have preferred to be called "Sir Mick" but he knew his mum would want "Sir Michael" so he went with that.
Sandy

  
"I think this is the prettiest world -- as long as you don't mind a little dying, how could there be a day in your whole life that doesn't have its splash of happiness?"  from The Kingfisher, by Mary Oliver

OldGit

  • Ich em alder thene ich wes awintre and ech a lare
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 10805
  • Gender: Male
  • No amount of belief makes something a fact.
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2018, 09:59:51 AM »
It should be "Sir + first name, but so many people get it wrong nowadays that it's becoming uncertain.

BooksCatsEtc

  • Surprisingly OK
  • Global Moderator
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 8684
  • Gender: Female
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2018, 12:34:04 PM »
Just found out I was completely wrong about P&P -- Austen refers to William Lucas as Sir William.  I wonder why in the world I had it fixed in my mind as Sir Lucas?  Maybe because I like the name Lucas better?
Sandy

  
"I think this is the prettiest world -- as long as you don't mind a little dying, how could there be a day in your whole life that doesn't have its splash of happiness?"  from The Kingfisher, by Mary Oliver

Dave

  • Formerly known as Gloucester
  • Blessing Her Holy Hooves
  • *****
  • Posts: 4662
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2018, 12:57:07 PM »
Just found out I was completely wrong about P&P -- Austen refers to William Lucas as Sir William.  I wonder why in the world I had it fixed in my mind as Sir Lucas?  Maybe because I like the name Lucas better?

Can be a problem when people have a sutname that is also a forename. I had a colleague called Sue May, she was christened with the diminuitive and no midde name. She constantly suffered the question, "Sue May what?" So her response became, "Sue May, that's it, no more." Parents can be silly/stupid/unkind!
Tomorrow is precious, don't ruin it by fouling up today.

Papasito Bruno

  • Deranged Psychopathic Twinkle Toes
  • Guardian of Reason
  • *****
  • Posts: 5050
  • Gender: Male
  • Save water. Shower together!
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 01:47:34 PM »
Back when Her Majesty The Queen knighted me it was as "Sir Bruno". 8)
Every taco is hand rolled with exotic Mexican spices by genuine Mayan Virgins.
Or. Carlos, depending on who's available.

I really, really hate anti-semantics.

BooksCatsEtc

  • Surprisingly OK
  • Global Moderator
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 8684
  • Gender: Female
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 02:56:30 AM »
Can be a problem when people have a sutname that is also a forename. I had a colleague called Sue May, she was christened with the diminuitive and no midde name. She constantly suffered the question, "Sue May what?" So her response became, "Sue May, that's it, no more." Parents can be silly/stupid/unkind!

Or simply so swept up in the birth that they're not thinking straight, or unaware of the implications.  I once had a cut stitched up by a doctor whose Korean born parents named him Peter Pan.  And we've all heard of guys named P(something) Enis, which becomes difficult when the first initial only is used.  For a not thinking straight example, one of my sisters-in-law was born on Xmas day, and her parents were just barely talked out of naming her Merry Christmas.
Sandy

  
"I think this is the prettiest world -- as long as you don't mind a little dying, how could there be a day in your whole life that doesn't have its splash of happiness?"  from The Kingfisher, by Mary Oliver

hermes2015

  • Immune to Question Begging
  • ***
  • Posts: 730
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 04:09:41 AM »
Can be a problem when people have a sutname that is also a forename. I had a colleague called Sue May, she was christened with the diminuitive and no midde name. She constantly suffered the question, "Sue May what?" So her response became, "Sue May, that's it, no more." Parents can be silly/stupid/unkind!

Or simply so swept up in the birth that they're not thinking straight, or unaware of the implications.  I once had a cut stitched up by a doctor whose Korean born parents named him Peter Pan.  And we've all heard of guys named P(something) Enis, which becomes difficult when the first initial only is used.  For a not thinking straight example, one of my sisters-in-law was born on Xmas day, and her parents were just barely talked out of naming her Merry Christmas.

I knew a boy whose family name was Rice, but unfortunately named Eaton by his parents. Eaton Rice looks OK on paper, until you say the name.

BooksCatsEtc

  • Surprisingly OK
  • Global Moderator
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 8684
  • Gender: Female
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 05:38:01 AM »
I knew a boy whose family name was Rice, but unfortunately named Eaton by his parents. Eaton Rice looks OK on paper, until you say the name.

 ;D

I wonder if Eaton's parents did that deliberately, or just didn't think it thru?  One of my high school classmates was named Big Boy Cude.  None of us believed that was his legal name until we started getting our drivers licenses, and damn if his first name wasn't really Big Boy.
Sandy

  
"I think this is the prettiest world -- as long as you don't mind a little dying, how could there be a day in your whole life that doesn't have its splash of happiness?"  from The Kingfisher, by Mary Oliver

hermes2015

  • Immune to Question Begging
  • ***
  • Posts: 730
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 05:47:19 AM »
I knew a boy whose family name was Rice, but unfortunately named Eaton by his parents. Eaton Rice looks OK on paper, until you say the name.

 ;D

I wonder if Eaton's parents did that deliberately, or just didn't think it thru?  One of my high school classmates was named Big Boy Cude.  None of us believed that was his legal name until we started getting our drivers licenses, and damn if his first name wasn't really Big Boy.

Did he live up to his name?

xSilverPhinx

  • Non Dvcor
  • Administrator
  • Silly Overlord
  • *****
  • Posts: 12463
  • Gender: Female
  • On The Warpath
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 10:00:58 AM »
A couple of years ago we went to by a TV and while talking to the vendor I glanced at his name tag. Hailânder, with is a portuguesation of Highlander. At least one of his parents must have really liked the show!

Madeinusa is a common name among some poorer folk, according to Brazil's geographical census. Made in USA.  :d'oh!:
I'm just a student of the game that they taught me.


BooksCatsEtc

  • Surprisingly OK
  • Global Moderator
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 8684
  • Gender: Female
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 10:08:05 AM »
I knew a boy whose family name was Rice, but unfortunately named Eaton by his parents. Eaton Rice looks OK on paper, until you say the name.

 ;D

I wonder if Eaton's parents did that deliberately, or just didn't think it thru?  One of my high school classmates was named Big Boy Cude.  None of us believed that was his legal name until we started getting our drivers licenses, and damn if his first name wasn't really Big Boy.

Did he live up to his name?

No, generally average as far as I can remember.  I also learned that he was a Jr. and had an uncle named Little Boy Cude.  I felt sorry for the uncle.
Sandy

  
"I think this is the prettiest world -- as long as you don't mind a little dying, how could there be a day in your whole life that doesn't have its splash of happiness?"  from The Kingfisher, by Mary Oliver

OldGit

  • Ich em alder thene ich wes awintre and ech a lare
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 10805
  • Gender: Male
  • No amount of belief makes something a fact.
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 10:53:30 AM »
In the 17th century some Puritan boys were given bizarre names like "Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned", "Job-raked-out-of-the-ashes" and "Jesus-Christ-came-into-the-world- to-save".

BooksCatsEtc

  • Surprisingly OK
  • Global Moderator
  • The Cure for Boredom is Curiosity. There is No Cure For Curiosity.
  • *****
  • Posts: 8684
  • Gender: Female
Re: Ask a Brit III
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 02:48:55 AM »
In the 17th century some Puritan boys were given bizarre names like "Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned", "Job-raked-out-of-the-ashes" and "Jesus-Christ-came-into-the-world- to-save".

I remember coming across names like that in history books.  Fortunately some of them got off easy with simple names like Industry or Makepeace.  Or maybe those were only the nicknames.
Sandy

  
"I think this is the prettiest world -- as long as you don't mind a little dying, how could there be a day in your whole life that doesn't have its splash of happiness?"  from The Kingfisher, by Mary Oliver