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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2017, 02:11:35 PM »
Someone in another forum somewhere was pointing out some ironies about how they "gov't policies" are allowing children to undergo surgical and hormonal sexual modification, because the child identifies itself as the sex that it is not, but by the same standard children cannot consent to sex.  So they can undergo quite extreme surgeries to modify their genitalia and hormone therapy which can also be quite extreme, and permanant, especially in developing children.  From what I understand, far left policy in the US is allowing this to happen legally. 

There was a cover on the national geographic a couple years back that was a transsexual little boy, or girl? Anyway it was a male to female "transgendered" child.  I did a little background research on that cover, and came to the conclusion that that child's parents were really not fit parents, and had shaped the little boy to become a transsexual from a very young age.

So anyway, children cannot consent to sex (which i agree with) but according to far left logic it is ok for them to consent to extreme surgical genital body modification along with hormonal body modification.  What do you all think of this sort of thing?  I think the far-left (or whatever the hell they are) has gone totally nutty in promoting this kind of thing.  Add to that all these multiple "genders" they've cooked up in their heads.  I'm too old to follow the sort of nonsense they cook up and it's all a bit confusing.  They can have all the genders they want I guess, but in reality there are only 2 sexes.  They can go chopping off or adding whatever parts and injecting hormones and all that, but the thing's DNA is either a male or female (yes there are birth defects that make it look likes it's a bit of both, but does it produce babies or does it produce sperm?  Do any of these "hermaphrodite" humans self-fertilize themselves?  do they produce viable sperms? or do they conceive and birth a child?

Ok, I got off track a bit.  The question is basically what do y'all think of people trying to turn little boys into little girls and vice versa?  Is this something the parents and child should be allowed to decide?  You think if some 8 years old boy decides that one day he's a girl that the parents should be able to take him to the doctor and get all the male anatomy cut off, and try to surgically construct a "false vagina", and then get him on the estrogen shots?  I think I'm gettin too old for this world.  All seems quite insane.

Thoughts?

In another thread you posted a story about "Virtuous Pedophiles", in this thread you again mention " Children, consent, and sex"....maybe it's just me, and if so I'll go, but alarm bells have been going off in my head for the past couple days.

You seem to have a possible obsession with children and sex.

Am I the only one seeing this?

This thread and especially the "Virtual Fucking Pedophile" thread are making me extremely uncomfortable.

They have been uncomfortable topics. What's next, child pornography and how it's been helping the pedophile comunity stay virtuous and not become a child molester?
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2017, 06:46:32 PM »
Ok, I got off track a bit.  The question is basically what do y'all think of people trying to turn little boys into little girls and vice versa?  Is this something the parents and child should be allowed to decide?  You think if some 8 years old boy decides that one day he's a girl that the parents should be able to take him to the doctor and get all the male anatomy cut off, and try to surgically construct a "false vagina", and then get him on the estrogen shots?  I think I'm gettin too old for this world.  All seems quite insane.

Thoughts?
Here are my thoughts.  I come at this subject from an empathetic, compassionate place, rather than a scientific one. I'm sure both sides are needed to balance each other out, but I'm just better at this side.
While it's true that these are still children, a child's feelings are still real. So I think i would fully support giving these children medication to postpone puberty. These seem safe and I read that puberty will continue normally once the med. is discontinued. While that alone might be awkward, as their peers develop before them, it could dramatically reduce the trauma of developing into a person that they don't recognize and don't "feel" like, and haven't presented themselves to the public as.
Then, along with the child's parents and a therapist, they could all decide when it's time to pursue surgical options. When the child has mentally matured for a few years.
I do not think it's right to be performing reassignment surgeries on eight-year-old children, when they still are truly children in every sense of the word.
I read only one article about this, and I don't know how reputable the website is, but here: https://www.thedailybeast.com/can-delaying-puberty-help-transgender-kids
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“Children who meet the mental health criteria for gender dysphoria in adolescence are likely to be transgender for life.” In a recent studyof 70 participants all the adolescents who had been given puberty blockers went through with sex reassignment.
That seems like an awfully large percentage of kids who were serious about the whole thing, who knew their minds and their feelings. And finances, or some other factor, rather than changed minds, may have been to blame for the other 30% who didn't go through with the surgeries.
I am a pretty big believer in allowing people to be truly who they are, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2017, 10:45:18 PM »


Why is it making you extremely uncomfortable?
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2017, 10:47:16 PM »
Putting transgender in quotes and adding "ed" are fucking gross.

why do you think that?

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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2017, 11:01:37 PM »
Someone in another forum somewhere was pointing out some ironies about how they "gov't policies" are allowing children to undergo surgical and hormonal sexual modification, because the child identifies itself as the sex that it is not, but by the same standard children cannot consent to sex.  So they can undergo quite extreme surgeries to modify their genitalia and hormone therapy which can also be quite extreme, and permanant, especially in developing children.  From what I understand, far left policy in the US is allowing this to happen legally. 

There was a cover on the national geographic a couple years back that was a transsexual little boy, or girl? Anyway it was a male to female "transgendered" child.  I did a little background research on that cover, and came to the conclusion that that child's parents were really not fit parents, and had shaped the little boy to become a transsexual from a very young age.

So anyway, children cannot consent to sex (which i agree with) but according to far left logic it is ok for them to consent to extreme surgical genital body modification along with hormonal body modification.  What do you all think of this sort of thing?  I think the far-left (or whatever the hell they are) has gone totally nutty in promoting this kind of thing.  Add to that all these multiple "genders" they've cooked up in their heads.  I'm too old to follow the sort of nonsense they cook up and it's all a bit confusing.  They can have all the genders they want I guess, but in reality there are only 2 sexes.  They can go chopping off or adding whatever parts and injecting hormones and all that, but the thing's DNA is either a male or female (yes there are birth defects that make it look likes it's a bit of both, but does it produce babies or does it produce sperm?  Do any of these "hermaphrodite" humans self-fertilize themselves?  do they produce viable sperms? or do they conceive and birth a child?

Ok, I got off track a bit.  The question is basically what do y'all think of people trying to turn little boys into little girls and vice versa?  Is this something the parents and child should be allowed to decide?  You think if some 8 years old boy decides that one day he's a girl that the parents should be able to take him to the doctor and get all the male anatomy cut off, and try to surgically construct a "false vagina", and then get him on the estrogen shots?  I think I'm gettin too old for this world.  All seems quite insane.

Thoughts?

In another thread you posted a story about "Virtuous Pedophiles", in this thread you again mention " Children, consent, and sex"....maybe it's just me, and if so I'll go, but alarm bells have been going off in my head for the past couple days.

You seem to have a possible obsession with children and sex.

Am I the only one seeing this?

This thread and especially the "Virtual Fucking Pedophile" thread are making me extremely uncomfortable.

Why is it making you extremely uncomfortable?

I'm sorry for interrupting, but I think Bruno already answered this.  :unsure:

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You seem to have a possible obsession with children and sex.

Take me, for example, I'm constantly posting rap music videos, No one gave a nickname, I think it's, "Raps 24/7." --Long story.  ::)

You have to admit, AngelOfDeath, these are "uncomfortable topics," and yet, we've answered your questions. One time is fine, but two or three times, --That's just focusing too much on the subject...the same way I focus too much on rap music...maybe.  :shifty:

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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2017, 11:29:07 PM »


if it is posted it won't be from me
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2017, 11:31:11 PM »

They have been uncomfortable topics. What's next, child pornography and how it's been helping the pedophile comunity stay virtuous and not become a child molester?
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if it is posted it won't be from me

That's good to know.  :)

I, on the other hand, will probably continue to post rap music videos...Sorry, No one:grin:

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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2017, 11:39:34 PM »
OK, to be fair, I didn't know there was a very small difference between a pedophile and a child molester. I learned that thanks to talking about the topic, here.

I think what makes it uncomfortable is that maybe there are adults here who are survivors/victims of sexual molestation, some of us are parents, some probably have a child that has been sexually molested, etc., etc. This is not a pleasant conversation. Like I said, we can touch the subject one time, but to want to talk about it, over and over again, it's just painful to some. I hope you can understand that, AngelOfDeath.

We do not circumcise our children, or talk about a child's genitalia, or a child's sexual modification, I don't think anyone has ever brought up the topic.  :notsure:  --That's all.

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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2017, 11:42:59 PM »


he stated his discomfort with the topic but I don't think he answered as to why?
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2017, 11:46:21 PM »
^^^^
I think I just answered that.

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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2017, 11:59:12 PM »

well, this post made before that other post. 
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2017, 12:05:07 AM »
 the short story is that those parents were die-hard advocates since before that child was born.
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2017, 12:31:01 AM »
OK, "too lazy" then. I'm not too lazy. According to this article, the girl's mother Debi Jackson became an advocate of transgender rights due to her experience with her child. Her father Tom Jackson wrote a piece for The New York Times about his family's experience. There is no indication that he was a transgender advocate before his child was born.

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My name is Tom. I am a husband, a father, and most of all, I try to be a decent human being. I only make the last statement because recently there have been people that have directed vile and hateful comments toward my family.

At 4 years old, my child revealed her true self by stating very clearly and articulately “I am really a girl, I am a girl on the inside.” This statement altered my life forever and is something I would not change for the world. Looking back now, the signs in the year before her declaration were clear. A child who was happy and carefree began to be angry, depressed, and was acting out. Once our daughter had the words to express who she was in her heart and her brain, we began to seek help from medical experts.

We took her to see her pediatrician, a child psychologist, and a gender therapist. Our child was diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria, and we were told that allowing her to socially transition to live as a girl was the proper “treatment.” At that point my wife and I poured over every bit of information we could find about transgender children. The information was sparse, but what we did find was very disturbing. Over 50% of transgender children try to commit suicide by their mid to late teenage years. A large number of them succeed. And the main reason that these children state that they try to harm themselves is the lack of love and support of their family and friends. My wife and I decided that we would much rather have a happy, healthy daughter than a dead son. . . .

I looked at several stories about the family and haven't found anything supporting the assertion that the parents "were die-hard transsexual/transgender advocates since before that child was born." They have an older child, a son. It appears that he's just a regular boy.

I don't doubt you read something that promoted the idea that the parents coerced their child in some way, or otherwise managed to cast them in a bad light. Unless you can cite it and it proves to be a reputable source per my request, I'm inclined to believe it was religiously motivated propaganda.
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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2017, 12:55:36 AM »
...(because psychiatriasts are the "experts").

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Re: "transgenderism" in children
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2017, 02:52:32 AM »
Putting transgender in quotes and adding "ed" are fucking gross.

why do you think that?

My guess is that putting transgender in quotes implies that it's not real.  Imagine Christian, heterosexual or male in quotes.

As for adding "ed" (which I did not know was no longer done) this article from Time has an explanation:  Why it's best to avoid the word transgendered

(again, this took me literally less than one minute of googling)
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