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Bernie's Down But Not Out

Started by MadBomr101, April 20, 2016, 03:58:22 PM

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MadBomr101

Okay, so Bernie lost NY and now I'm seeing people proclaim he's sunk. Bullshit. He's down by about 200 delegates but there's still over 1600 up for grabs. I'll remain optimistic until such time as it become mathematically impossible for him to win.

Anyone ready to read his epitaph?
- Bomr
I'm waiting for the movie of my life to be made.  It should cost about $7.23 and that includes the budget for special effects.

Firebird

I want him to stay in the race more to keep the heat on Hillary than anything else. She's been forced to recalibrate his message thanks to him,  which is important. So he should stay till the end. But he'd have to win at least 57% of the rest of the delegates to have a chance. Based on what's happened so far, there's virtually no shot of that.
So she's getting the nomination in in all likelihood, and I'm voting for her, even with all the issues I have with her. They pale in comparison to the disaster of a Republican presidency,  especially Trump or Cruz.
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Ecurb Noselrub

Unless he can get in front of her on the pledged delegates the super delegates will mainly vote for Hillary.  He would have to win states that he just isn't going to win to do that.  I like him and hope he keeps up his message, but Hillary will be the nominee.

Icarus

I like Bernie better than any of the other candidates.  Unfortunately he is endorsing pie in the sky ideas that can never be brought into the realm of reality. Free college education? Universal health care? Wall street regulation?  Not in this world. I do like the ideas but none of that will happen for a very long time if ever. Therefore, Bernie is just poking hot butter up our asses. I do believe that he knows that the prospect of making any of his announced aims come true is not realistic.  I'd be apt to vote for him in spite of the snow job.

Claireliontamer

Quote from: Icarus on April 21, 2016, 04:30:31 AM
I like Bernie better than any of the other candidates.  Unfortunately he is endorsing pie in the sky ideas that can never be brought into the realm of reality. Free college education? Universal health care? Wall street regulation?  Not in this world. I do like the ideas but none of that will happen for a very long time if ever. Therefore, Bernie is just poking hot butter up our asses. I do believe that he knows that the prospect of making any of his announced aims come true is not realistic.  I'd be apt to vote for him in spite of the snow job.

Other countries manage those things.

Crow

Quote from: Icarus on April 21, 2016, 04:30:31 AM
Free college education? Universal health care? Wall street regulation?  Not in this world.

Most of Western world has these, it also manages to keep the private institutions as well for those that prefer them. Wall Street regulation existed until Clinton got rid of them, what is hard about making the bosses accountable rather than underlings and not being protected by the tax payer. It would put a huge safety net on the US economy and the rest of the worlds.
Retired member.

Icarus

 Investment bankers have practiced legal larceny for a hundred years. Clinton had little to do with the continued systematic fleecing of the American public. 

The reality is that the Wall Street honchos are not only stock brokers but more importantly they are self serving power brokers who wield iron fisted influence over our congressional rule makers. Bernie's announced intent is only a pleasant pipe dream.

MadBomr101

Okay, I admit it, Bernie's pretty much finished.   :(
- Bomr
I'm waiting for the movie of my life to be made.  It should cost about $7.23 and that includes the budget for special effects.

Tank

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Ecurb Noselrub

He couldn't connect with blacks.  Lived too long in Vermont, where at last count there were 2.5 blacks. Hillary had the black population in the bag, after losing out to Obama in 2008 but still supporting him as Sec. of State.  The blacks felt they owed her and could trust her.  Bernie never had a chance.   He was just too white.   

Firebird

Quote from: MadBomr101 on April 27, 2016, 04:31:28 PM
Okay, I admit it, Bernie's pretty much finished.   :(

Yeah, and he knows it too. But hey, now Hillary will morph into the biggest proponent of Wall Street reform...until that trend passes  ;)

In all seriousness, his unexpected run does give me optimism for the millenial generation and how it will alter US politics going forward. I never in my wildest dreams thought a self-proclaimed socialist (as inaccurate as that term is for him) would get this far. Just a shame Elizabeth Warren didn't run, but I can't blame her if she didn't feel up for it.
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Firebird

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 27, 2016, 09:58:14 PM
He couldn't connect with blacks.  Lived too long in Vermont, where at last count there were 2.5 blacks. Hillary had the black population in the bag, after losing out to Obama in 2008 but still supporting him as Sec. of State.  The blacks felt they owed her and could trust her.  Bernie never had a chance.   He was just too white.

Isn't it odd though, considering the man was protesting civil rights in the 60's and even was at the "I have a dream" speech? Why did blacks feel like they owed her, considering Bernie's been championing their cause longer?
"Great, replace one book about an abusive, needy asshole with another." - Will (moderator) on replacing hotel Bibles with "Fifty Shades of Grey"

Ecurb Noselrub

Quote from: Firebird on April 27, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 27, 2016, 09:58:14 PM
He couldn't connect with blacks.  Lived too long in Vermont, where at last count there were 2.5 blacks. Hillary had the black population in the bag, after losing out to Obama in 2008 but still supporting him as Sec. of State.  The blacks felt they owed her and could trust her.  Bernie never had a chance.   He was just too white.

Isn't it odd though, considering the man was protesting civil rights in the 60's and even was at the "I have a dream" speech? Why did blacks feel like they owed her, considering Bernie's been championing their cause longer?

She's been a constant with them for the past few years.  They also feel that she would be more likely to actually accomplish something in office.  However, if she still has a GOP Congress, she won't be able to do much more than Obama did or that Bernie might have done.

Recusant

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 28, 2016, 12:09:36 PM. . . However, if she still has a GOP Congress, she won't be able to do much more than Obama did or that Bernie might have done.

With Trump as the Republican nominee the congressional elections will be affected, and there could be some marked changes for the 115th Congress.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Ecurb Noselrub

Quote from: Recusant on April 28, 2016, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on April 28, 2016, 12:09:36 PM. . . However, if she still has a GOP Congress, she won't be able to do much more than Obama did or that Bernie might have done.

With Trump as the Republican nominee the congressional elections will be affected, and there could be some marked changes for the 115th Congress.
Here's hoping.