The best explanation of the question why we need Allah(God) in our life with proofs and facts https://youtu.be/dqJNtUhnGfY
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What a pile of fucking shit.
Quote from: Tank on December 24, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
What a pile of fucking shit.
Yeah. I'm starting to think theists honestly don't understand what "proof" and "facts" are.
They need god in their lives to justify killing people they don't like.
What's this "we" shit?
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 24, 2017, 08:45:25 AM
Quote from: Tank on December 24, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
What a pile of fucking shit.
Yeah. I'm starting to think theists honestly don't understand what "proof" and "facts" are.
Some don't.
The rest live in denial.
They also either don't understand, or simply ignore, 'falsifiability' (https://explorable.com/falsifiability).
Quote from: Tank on December 24, 2017, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 24, 2017, 08:45:25 AM
Quote from: Tank on December 24, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
What a pile of fucking shit.
Yeah. I'm starting to think theists honestly don't understand what "proof" and "facts" are.
Some don't.
The rest live in denial.
They also either don't understand, or simply ignore, 'falsifiability' (https://explorable.com/falsifiability).
Of course they do not need proof, facts or falsifiability!
If you are 100% sure, totally believe, that something exists, have an inbuilt model of that thing that satisfies all your questions what need is there for proof? It is real, how can you question it?
Most people, even atheists, go through life with false models about something in their minds, unbreakable opinions about something, or even someone. Mostly this does not affect their daily life. If it does, noticeably, we form opinions, justified or otherwise, about that person.
I will stand beside the believer in the supernatural who is sincerely acting in a humane manner without prosetylising, but not the one telling me I am destined for "Hell" merely because I have different beliefs and motives from him or her.
I'm not watching it and you can't make me.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 24, 2017, 02:51:34 PM
I'm not watching it and you can't make me.
You won't be seeing anything you haven't seen a hundred times before.
Hey sweets, if we are made in god's image, why am I not invisible?
Quote from: Tank on December 24, 2017, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on December 24, 2017, 02:51:34 PM
I'm not watching it and you can't make me.
You won't be seeing anything you haven't seen a hundred times before.
And that's something that always makes me grumble -- it's not as if responses and refutations to common apologetics weren't out there and easy to find. I realize if sweetto's living in a Muslim theocracy they may not be available to him, but they certainly are to religious apologists in the West and would it kill them to do some research before trotting out the same old crap?
I'm willing to consider a brand new argument for belief in the supernatural/god despite the lack of evidence, but please make it something where the flaws and gaping holes in logic haven't already been pointed out many times. That's just annoying.
And to the ones who insist that there
is evidence for the supernatural/god, please look up the meaning of the word "evidence", and how scientists use it, before you do.
Books wrote "I realize if sweetto's living in a Muslim theocracy they may not be available to him, but they certainly are to religious apologists in the West and would it kill them to do some research before trotting out the same old crap?"
He wouldn't give a shit about any refutation anyway. Islam has locked out his mind to the truth that his faith is just a myth created by a very clever conman.
I couldn't sleep last night, woke up early and as is my custom on Christmas morning every year I watch a video by a Muslim apologist...anyway I watched, but didn't hear anything that even explained why I might need Allah(God) in my life nor anything even came remotely close to what I would define as proofs or facts.
I'll pray to a god if it's the god these gents are praying to in the photo,...(Or maybe I should say "Goddess of the Lingerie"?)
(https://i.imgur.com/a1SItSG.jpg?1)
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 24, 2017, 10:35:18 PM
And to the ones who insist that there is evidence for the supernatural/god, please look up the meaning of the word "evidence", and how scientists use it, before you do.
OK I'm not the most scientific of HAFers but I have beer so I willing to take this on.
"How scientists use it?"
Surely the word/concept predates modern science.
Courts have been using it since the goat days.
OK, you're doing your modern science, testing a drug, so you administer it to your test subjects, wait a bit, ask them how they feel:
Subject 1: FUCK MY HEAD HURTS,
Subject 2 UNG, UNNGGG THE PAIN!!!
Subject 3 . . . .. . ___________
Subject 4 Yes, my hair is shinier, than you.
Subject 5 OH JUST KILL ME, KILL ME!!!
Subject 6 I'll tell you but not when that table's listening.
Have I established human testimony is part of science?
OK, we'll try this, try to settle the are they extinct question
Have you seen one of these?
(I didn't watch much of this, I felt myself slipping into No one mode.)
Person 1 Na
Person 2 Err, no, no, no
Person 3 Ye, no, ye, no, no no no
Person 4 no, thank god
Person 5 yessss burrrrp
Did it look like this?
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.denisestanley.com%2FDenise_Website%2FBlog%2FEntries%2F2011%2F1%2F1_Touring_Tasmania_files%2FR0013445-filtered.jpg&hash=c60c5bf313edad5bba9f2dc1710e68b2ca92af93)
Ye, blurrp, that's him, he's me mate
Person 6 No
Person 7 Yes, yes and we have a special 15% off on all our rooms for January, get in quick, won't last.
Person 8 No, no, was that the wrong answer?
Seeking answers, asking humans is part of science, isn't it?
As I define it there is evidence of god, just
NOT nearly enough.
^ What he said. :popcorn:
Quote from: Bad Penny II on December 28, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 24, 2017, 10:35:18 PM
And to the ones who insist that there is evidence for the supernatural/god, please look up the meaning of the word "evidence", and how scientists use it, before you do.
OK I'm not the most scientific of HAFers but I have beer so I willing to take this on.
"How scientists use it?"
Like the word "theory", "evidence" has both a colloquial use and a much stricter scientific one. When most atheists ask for evidence of god, it seems to me we're asking for the kind of evidence that will pass scientific muster since in most cases god is being presented to us as a scientific fact. We're asking for the kind of evidence that fits the kind of claim being made.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 28, 2017, 11:08:25 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on December 28, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 24, 2017, 10:35:18 PM
And to the ones who insist that there is evidence for the supernatural/god, please look up the meaning of the word "evidence", and how scientists use it, before you do.
OK I'm not the most scientific of HAFers but I have beer so I willing to take this on.
"How scientists use it?"
Like the word "theory", "evidence" has both a colloquial use and a much stricter scientific one. When most atheists ask for evidence of god, it seems to me we're asking for the kind of evidence that will pass scientific muster since in most cases god is being presented to us as a scientific fact. We're asking for the kind of evidence that fits the kind of claim being made.
Agreed, Books. "Belief" is entirely appropriate to the theory of god, but only on a personal level. An individual may believe anything and not need evidence to support it. When it comes to convincing others that their belief has credence, however, al leat one of two things is required: independent supporting evidence for sceptics or a "need" in the credulous.
The really skillful bit is convincing those people who already have a perfectly serviceable set of set of supernatural entities of their own that your supernatural entity is the only real one.
Hmm, interesting... the old missionaries, working in more "primitive" cultures, possibly needed to replace a empirical set of beliefs, ones built up through experience, through generations of false correlation between cause and effect, That may be that storm and sea gods must exist, though they may have capricious or hair trigger tempers, because if you pray to them every time most of your fishing trips are safe and successful. If they are not then it must be the fault if a member of your group - or the whole group if it happens too often and after making an example of the chosen scapegoat. So pray harder or accept that you are damned.
If the latter then an ever-luvin entity, ever willing to forgive if you show contrition, is a, er, god-send. But, just in case, keep a few of the old icons on your boat or round your neck, insurance y'know.
Quote from: Dave on December 29, 2017, 06:54:51 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 28, 2017, 11:08:25 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on December 28, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 24, 2017, 10:35:18 PM
And to the ones who insist that there is evidence for the supernatural/god, please look up the meaning of the word "evidence", and how scientists use it, before you do.
OK I'm not the most scientific of HAFers but I have beer so I willing to take this on.
"How scientists use it?"
Like the word "theory", "evidence" has both a colloquial use and a much stricter scientific one. When most atheists ask for evidence of god, it seems to me we're asking for the kind of evidence that will pass scientific muster since in most cases god is being presented to us as a scientific fact. We're asking for the kind of evidence that fits the kind of claim being made.
Agreed, Books. "Belief" is entirely appropriate to the theory of god, but only on a personal level. An individual may believe anything and not need evidence to support it. When it comes to convincing others that their belief has credence, however, al leat one of two things is required: independent supporting evidence for sceptics or a "need" in the credulous.
The really skillful bit is convincing those people who already have a perfectly serviceable set of set of supernatural entities of their own that your supernatural entity is the only real one.
Hmm, interesting... the old missionaries, working in more "primitive" cultures, possibly needed to replace a empirical set of beliefs, ones built up through experience, through generations of false correlation between cause and effect, That may be that storm and sea gods must exist, though they may have capricious or hair trigger tempers, because if you pray to them every time most of your fishing trips are safe and successful. If they are not then it must be the fault if a member of your group - or the whole group if it happens too often and after making an example of the chosen scapegoat. So pray harder or accept that you are damned.
If the latter then an ever-luvin entity, ever willing to forgive if you show contrition, is a, er, god-send. But, just in case, keep a few of the old icons on your boat or round your neck, insurance y'know.
A super natural creature/s exists controlling everything.
Many/most people think so, they can feel it.
That's how the thing is perceived, through feeling it.
All those people saying "yes I feel it" is evidence.
I don't think it is sufficient to conclude god IS though.
It's possible I have the spiritual equivalent of colour blindness.
I won't go into the problems with their story, Doctor Who is waiting.