One for "Sister Agatha" to contemplate if she is real. You may need Google to translate it.
Not up to date and these were only the cases that actually came to notice, excluding those that officials, fear or "tradition" kept hidden.
https://www.uaar.it/ateismo/controinformazione/pedofilia-ecclesiastica/
Hypocrisy piled upon hypocrisy.
Any comments, "sister"?
Damning, and the list only includes reports from 2012 onward.
I can't read it, but I can count. Absolutely heartbreaking, as each one of those dates represents a life and a family and a future. All twisted up and skewed. I fucking hate predators.
Sickening!
Quote from: Dave on October 11, 2017, 07:06:24 AM
Any comments, "sister"?
Does anyone here really give a fuck what she/he has to say about this?
...Anyone? ...Anyone?
Quote10/06/2014 . St. Louis archbishop claims he was not sure it was illegal for priests to have sex with kids ( Church and State )
:picard facepalm:
Impressive list. That list applies only to Catholics.
Sadly under reported are the episodes when youth pastors cannot seem to refrain from seducing 15 year old girls (and sometimes boys). Hello folks, It ain't just the priests who defile our youth. Plenty of Baptists, Pentecostals, and others also stray from the path of righteousness.
^^^True dat, Icarus.
And nope, I don't really give any fucks what Sister Agatha thinks.....about anything.
Quote from: Icarus on October 11, 2017, 08:58:44 PM
Impressive list. That list applies only to Catholics.
Sadly under reported are the episodes when youth pastors cannot seem to refrain from seducing 15 year old girls (and sometimes boys). Hello folks, It ain't just the priests who defile our youth. Plenty of Baptists, Pentecostals, and others also stray from the path of righteousness.
This is true, maybe it is partly the fact that the Catholic Church has a long history of taking advantage of and abusing its authority in every way. Teachers, scout leaders, youth councellors, entertainers, members of parliament . . . Yes, they have also abused their positions, but I think not to the scale that celebacy in a repressive church causes.
Quote from: Dragonia on October 11, 2017, 09:47:47 PM
^^^True dat, Icarus.
And nope, I don't really give any fucks what Sister Agatha thinks.....about anything.
Aggie has gone very quiet lately, more because our deciding she is s troll has taken the fun out of it rather than her so-called religious sensibilities being challenged IMO.
For those who have not seen this movie based on reality, be ready to have your eyes opened to the huge scope of the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g
My conclusion and argument point, which many saw as blaming the victims, was that if the victims, instead of taking a pay off to not lay a charge, --- which allows the pedophile to just go to his next victim, --- was that the first victim should follow the Golden Rule and do unto others as he would have wanted done for him, and bite the bullet and lay the charge.
This would greatly reduce the instances of abuse.
I also resent that judges will allow pay offs.
Yes, it is tough on a child to lay a charge and confront his assailant, but it is the right thing to do.
Their parents also need to recognize that if the pedophile rapes again and they did not support their child and the charge, they are basically causing future abuses fro the perpetrator who is not in jail where he belongs. So is the church.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Magdalena on October 11, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: Dave on October 11, 2017, 07:06:24 AM
Any comments, "sister"?
Does anyone here really give a fuck what she/he has to say about this?
...Anyone? ...Anyone?
Nope.
QuoteQuote10/06/2014 . St. Louis archbishop claims he was not sure it was illegal for priests to have sex with kids ( Church and State )
:picard facepalm:
Give me a sec to collect my jaw from the floor...
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
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My conclusion and argument point, which many saw as blaming the victims, was that if the victims, instead of taking a pay off to not lay a charge, --- which allows the pedophile to just go to his next victim, --- was that the first victim should follow the Golden Rule and do unto others as he would have wanted done for him, and bite the bullet and lay the charge.
Please cite evidence supporting your assertion that victims are "taking a pay off to not lay a charge." For one thing, such a payoff agreement is illegal (https://attorneypages.com/law-questions/awdw-with-a-deadly-weapon-41142.htm). Secondly, the decision to pursue a criminal charge is made by the prosecutor, not by the victim. There are legal reasons why criminal charges may not be filed by a prosecutor, including statutes of limitation and different standards of proof (https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/preponderance-of-the-evidence-vs-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt.html) in civil vs. criminal law. The normal order of events is that a criminal case is pursued by a prosecutor, then depending on circumstances the victim may pursue a civil case. If there has been no criminal prosecution that doesn't prevent the victim from pursuing a civil case, nor does winning a civil suit prevent the victim from going to the authorities.
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AMThis would greatly reduce the instances of abuse.
Your premise is flawed; see above.
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AMI also resent that judges will allow pay offs.
Are you trying to say that you resent the civil courts awarding damages to victims?
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AMYes, it is tough on a child to lay a charge and confront his assailant, but it is the right thing to do.
All a child can do is tell somebody that they've been molested--it's not up to them to "lay a charge and confront his assailant."
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AMTheir parents also need to recognize that if the pedophile rapes again and they did not support their child and the charge, they are basically causing future abuses fro the perpetrator who is not in jail where he belongs. So is the church.
Where do you get the idea that there are parents who don't "support their child and the charge"?
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
For those who have not seen this movie based on reality, be ready to have your eyes opened to the huge scope of the problem.
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Movie? Which movie are you talking about? :headscratch:
The Bishop and the Sister have the same writing styles, do they teach people to write that way in Catholic churches or are they the same person?
Quote from: Davin on October 12, 2017, 03:08:53 PM
The Bishop and the Sister have the same writing styles, do they teach people to write that way in Catholic churches or are they the same person?
Having encountered the person who's going by "
Gnostic Christian Bishop" previously elsewhere, I'm reasonably certain he's not
SisterAgatha; data associated with the accounts support this.
Gnostic Christian Bishop posts as "the Greatest I Am" on the Sam Harris forum, I believe. He is not Sister Agatha.
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Quote from: Recusant on October 12, 2017, 02:01:56 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
[snipped empty blustering]
If you want to chat, you will first have to watch the movie Spotlight.
It has answers to most of what you asked of this empty blustered.
I am trying hard to be less of an internet bully so please do not be such a fucking dick wad.
Apologies for forgetting to post it above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g
Regards
DL
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Quote from: Magdalena on October 12, 2017, 05:41:21 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
For those who have not seen this movie based on reality, be ready to have your eyes opened to the huge scope of the problem.
...
Movie? Which movie are you talking about? :headscratch:
Apologies.
I forgot to put the link in my posts but did go back and put this there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g
Regards
DL
Quote from: Davin on October 12, 2017, 03:08:53 PM
The Bishop and the Sister have the same writing styles, do they teach people to write that way in Catholic churches or are they the same person?
Wow.
Someone writes as poorly as I.
I can hardly believe it.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on October 13, 2017, 01:16:44 AM
Gnostic Christian Bishop posts as "the Greatest I Am" on the Sam Harris forum, I believe. He is not Sister Agatha.
Correct.
I also have a list of where I go for my groupies.
Shall I give it to you?
Regards
DL
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 10, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: Recusant on October 12, 2017, 02:01:56 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
[snipped empty blustering]
If you want to chat, you will first have to watch the movie Spotlight.
It has answers to most of what you asked of this empty blustered.
I am trying hard to be less of an internet bully so please do not be such a fucking dick wad.
Apologies for forgetting to post it above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g
Regards
DL
So you'd rather assign homework than engage in honest discussion?
Quote from: Recusant on November 11, 2017, 02:44:16 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 10, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: Recusant on October 12, 2017, 02:01:56 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
[snipped empty blustering]
If you want to chat, you will first have to watch the movie Spotlight.
It has answers to most of what you asked of this empty blustered.
I am trying hard to be less of an internet bully so please do not be such a fucking dick wad.
Apologies for forgetting to post it above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g
Regards
DL
So you'd rather assign homework than engage in honest discussion?
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 10, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
I am trying hard to be less of an internet bully so please do not be such a fucking dick wad.
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Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 10, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: Recusant on October 12, 2017, 02:01:56 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on October 12, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
[snipped empty blustering]
If you want to chat, you will first have to watch the movie Spotlight.
It has answers to most of what you asked of this empty blustered.
I am trying hard to be less of an internet bully so please do not be such a fucking dick wad.
Apologies for forgetting to post it above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g
Regards
DL
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Gnostic Christian Bishop
This constitutes a personal attack "so please do not be such a fucking dick wad.". As such is a breach of the forum rules. Please cease this sort of behaviour or account suspension and ultimately a permanent ban will result.
Tank
The small minded attitude here was toxic before I even posted word one.
Do as you will and so will I.
Regards
DL
Please try to address my post here (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=15345.msg361503#msg361503), Gnostic Christian Bishop. It's very boring if all you do is berate me and other members while spamming us with links to a YouTube video. I don't think you're incapable of giving coherent replies to my questions and requests for evidence. Why are you ducking away?
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 11, 2017, 10:00:56 PM
The small minded attitude here was toxic before I even posted word one.
Do as you will and so will I.
Regards
DL
:picard facepalm:
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 11, 2017, 10:00:56 PM
The small minded attitude here was toxic before I even posted word one.
Regards
DL
It must have seemed attractive to you because you posted your stuff here anyways. :lol:
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 11, 2017, 10:00:56 PM
The small minded attitude here was toxic before I even posted word one.
Do as you will and so will I.
Regards
DL
You expected something else?
Small minded? GCB you are on shaky ground if you challenge like that. Be warned that there are several heavy hitters here. Heavy hitter: n . Metaphoric description of an individual who is an upper division, intellectual with exceptional capacity for critical reasoning.
Would you call Richard Feynman small minded? George Smoot ? Leonard Mladinow? Isaac Asimov, Arthur Clarke?
Please define the term "small minded" for us. Does that infer that we have reptile brains or just what does that accusation imply? ......................................Your term may actually apply to me but certainly not to some of my respected fellow members.
Here, I will give you sufficient evidence of my own small mindedness >>....Go fuck yourself GCB!
Oops, I may be in trouble because one of the strict forum rules is that personal attacks are not tolerated. Lets make a deal.....If you will refrain from calling us small minded, I will refrain from suggesting that you go fuck yourself. I apologize for saying such a thing. Now it is your turn to apologize.
Quote from: Icarus on November 13, 2017, 09:43:15 PM
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Here, I will give you sufficient evidence of my own small mindedness >>....Go fuck yourself GCB!
...
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Icarus:
You're such a bad boy...
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Quote from: Recusant on November 11, 2017, 11:00:09 PM
Please try to address my post here (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=15345.msg361503#msg361503), Gnostic Christian Bishop. It's very boring if all you do is berate me and other members while spamming us with links to a YouTube video. I don't think you're incapable of giving coherent replies to my questions and requests for evidence. Why are you ducking away?
A coherent question does not begin by asking for evidence from one whose evidence you do not believe or would ignore in the first place.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on December 03, 2017, 07:30:58 PM
Quote from: Recusant on November 11, 2017, 11:00:09 PM
Please try to address my post here (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=15345.msg361503#msg361503), Gnostic Christian Bishop. It's very boring if all you do is berate me and other members while spamming us with links to a YouTube video. I don't think you're incapable of giving coherent replies to my questions and requests for evidence. Why are you ducking away?
A coherent question does not begin by asking for evidence from one whose evidence you do not believe or would ignore in the first place.
You assume that I would not believe your evidence or would ignore it and use that as an excuse not to present any evidence at all. What basis do you have for this assumption? If you have evidence which will support your case, why would you refuse to present it?
If you have read the linked post, you are well aware that it consists of more than requests for supporting evidence. An intellectually honest response would address the points made by the interlocutor, rather than ducking them.