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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2017, 11:09:28 PM »
^^^
I like it.

I can't believe it, butt I'm actually in agreement with Magdalena on this one, that was good Books!

That butt was a Freudian slip.

I know, I can't believe it's not butter too!
But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2017, 01:01:54 AM »
^^^
I like it.

I can't believe it, butt I'm actually in agreement with Magdalena on this one, that was good Books!

That butt was a Freudian slip.

If it is, it's a recurrent one. :lol:
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2017, 04:56:12 AM »
^^^
I like it.

I can't believe it, butt I'm actually in agreement with Magdalena on this one, that was good Books!

That butt was a Freudian slip.

If it is, it's a recurrent one. :lol:

True.  :lol:


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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2017, 09:00:51 AM »
Hm... we all have our own rules to live by.

Do as thou wilt, then pay the price is my boiled-down version. Few people openly subscribe to it, especially the price part, and yet...
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2017, 09:10:58 AM »
Hm... we all have our own rules to live by.

Do as thou wilt, then pay the price is my boiled-down version. Few people openly subscribe to it, especially the price part, and yet...

I would go for "Do as you wilt, so long as it has no adverse effect on any person or the environment and you accept the responsibility".
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2017, 02:31:12 PM »
...Which is a version of what I said. Do. If you are not prepared to pay for it, don't.
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2017, 04:44:44 PM »
Rewrite:

Asmo wrote:

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...Which is a version of what I said. Do. If you are not prepared to pay for it, don't.

when I modified his:

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Do as thou wilt, then pay the price

Taken literarily that could leave one free to commit unecessary immoral or unethical actions, where any fine, compensation paid, injury incurred by yourself etc may do nothing to make things better for a person, creature or environment "injured" by your actions.. Kill a baby and a billion dollar fine plus a limitless jail sentence with daily torture for as long as you live, is sufficient "payment" in real terms IMHO. But, Asmo, your version implies that it is OK, you wanted to kill the baby, knowing there would be a price and being willing to pay it.

That phrase could easily be taken up by fundie religionistas to "prove" that atheism is "evil" IMHO, but then, I am also an aspiring humanist



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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2017, 09:04:42 PM »
Rewrite:

Asmo wrote:

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...Which is a version of what I said. Do. If you are not prepared to pay for it, don't.

when I modified his:

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That phrase could easily be taken up by fundie religionistas to "prove" that atheism is "evil" IMHO, but then, I am also an aspiring humanist

Fundies can use any statement by atheists as a means of, and reason for, condemning us to the several circles of hell..  For example, if I say that "I prefer strawberry rather than vanilla", they can find an anti religion message in that statement about my tastes for ice cream. I exaggerate but little here.

Fixed quotes - xSP
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2017, 09:45:58 PM »
Rewrite:

Asmo wrote:

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...Which is a version of what I said. Do. If you are not prepared to pay for it, don't.

when I modified his:

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That phrase could easily be taken up by fundie religionistas to "prove" that atheism is "evil" IMHO, but then, I am also an aspiring humanist

Fundies can use any statement by atheists as a means of, and reason for, condemning us to the several circles of hell..  For example, if I say that "I prefer strawberry rather than vanilla", they can find an anti religion message in that statement about my tastes for ice cream. I exaggerate but little here.

Yeah, but, "Do as you will" is pretty explicit. It has echoes to the Hellfire Club (OK, just a bunch of posers really), Aleister Crowley, Thelema etc etc. Why give fundies any excuse at all? There are more of them than there are of us, with better influential power and media connections, not to mention more guns.

Apart from that, as an aspiring humanist, the moral and ethical implications concern me. Atheists need not be moral nor ethical to qualify for that label, the conciously, deliberately immoral or unethical humanist is not a humanist. That is excepting the fallibilities that all humans are prone to, the perfect human isn't.

That is why I will still be an "aspiring humanist" until the moment I die!

Fixed quotes - xSP
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2017, 09:48:48 PM »
Dunno what you did there, Icarus, but can't get out of the quote nest!
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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2017, 10:05:50 PM »
Dunno what you did there, Icarus, but can't get out of the quote nest!

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Re: Is there something similar to the 10 commandments for atheists?
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2017, 01:09:23 PM »
Apologies for not quoting, but this response goes towards several posts between my initial one in this thread and this point.

Immoral actions are most certainly encompassed in what I said. My argument hinges on the definition of "pay," not "do."

So yes, if you are not some sort of sociopath and you live with yourself after having brutally murdered seven children, three old ladies and one baby ostrich, that would go towards paying for it. So would prison, naturally, but I am trying to illustrate the intended scope of my swing word. Full scope, pretty much.

It works well for a regular-sort-of-feller. The friendly neighborhood sociopath is unlikely to care about earthly rules regardless of what they are, so why would I bother with defining one specifically for him?

Speaking of, yes, "Do as you will" does mean go ahead and gas all the Jews, if you want it to. I have no problem with that interpretation and history shows that there are those who have no problem with that action. However, that can also mean "Stop that evil-ass cuntpickle," and the payment may well be extracted even before you succeed or even proceed.

So there you have it.
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