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Another look at empathy
« on: February 22, 2017, 01:39:38 PM »
I have put this here because I feel this is an important part of our understanding others in this world. It also involves objective and subjective views, pragmatism and emotion.

It is an article in The Guardian.

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Some argue that, far from motivating pro-social behaviours, empathy can push us towards inaction at best and racism and violence at worst
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Respondents in brain imaging studies showed significantly less empathy if the person they observe experiencing pain belongs to a different race, social class or an opposing football team or political party.

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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2017, 04:46:31 PM »
I hate everyone equally. It matters not what patch of Earth you call home, what sex you are, what sex you are attracted to, your social status, what god you worship, or anything else shit brained humans use to dissect themselves into countless flocks.

Plain and simple, if you are human, I fucking hate you!

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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2017, 04:55:54 PM »
I hate everyone equally. It matters not what patch of Earth you call home, what sex you are, what sex you are attracted to, your social status, what god you worship, or anything else shit brained humans use to dissect themselves into countless flocks.

Plain and simple, if you are human, I fucking hate you!
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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2017, 05:10:09 PM »
mags:
Are you god?
Only god hates us, humans, that much.


No, I exist.

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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2017, 05:12:31 PM »
I like how the article explains the shortcomings of relying on empathy alone as a guide to moral choices. I don't know that such an approach is all that common though.
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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2017, 07:37:37 PM »
I like how the article explains the shortcomings of relying on empathy alone as a guide to moral choices. I don't know that such an approach is all that common though.

I agree, and I actually looked at the story objectively first and empathetic second. Then I thought why not reorganize the list to priority first? Going against the notion that empathy will make you drown out groups.

I also think they could have touched on the compassion training a bit more instead of relegating it to a footnote. It just seems to me that this piece was designed to create a division between people who will react in different ways by saying "science calls empathy bad" and leaving people to either agree or disagree.

In counseling there are ways to use empathy to help people work through their problems and get them to figure things out for themselves while still making them feel good. It's not a super fast approach to changing the world, but it ensures people don't slip through the cracks when you talk to them. It comes with an emotional drain as well, just like the article said, which is another reason I think they should have touched on this compassion training to give people an alternative. Instead they just say, "everything you think you know about being nice is wrong". Sends a negative message and is one reason I don't like the media.
But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2017, 09:19:19 PM »
mags:
Are you god?
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No, I exist.
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Good one.
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But seriously...
No one exists? That doesn't make any sense.  :notsure:


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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2017, 09:58:13 PM »
mags:
Are you god?
Only god hates us, humans, that much.


No, I exist.
:rimshot:
Good one.
 :snicker:

But seriously...
No one exists? That doesn't make any sense.  :notsure:

Well we are in the philosophy section of HAF.
But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2017, 10:24:54 AM »
mags:
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No, I exist.
We only have the word of an advanced Turing machine on that.
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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2017, 06:00:37 AM »
I have put this here because I feel this is an important part of our understanding others in this world. It also involves objective and subjective views, pragmatism and emotion.

It is an article in The Guardian.

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Some argue that, far from motivating pro-social behaviours, empathy can push us towards inaction at best and racism and violence at worst
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Respondents in brain imaging studies showed significantly less empathy if the person they observe experiencing pain belongs to a different race, social class or an opposing football team or political party.

Article

You have to go against your own nature and appeal to a higher principle when dealing with emotions. Otherwise your tribal instincts will allow you to have empathy for members of the tribe or team, and not for anyone else. When you love your enemy, you have demonstrated appeal to a higher principle. When you hate your enemy but love your friend, you've just followed emotion. Those higher principles come from us abstracting our emotional experience through rational thought, looking for universal ideas through a logical distillation process.  Empathy is the corn mash, universal love and human rights is the whiskey.

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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2017, 01:21:00 PM »
I have put this here because I feel this is an important part of our understanding others in this world. It also involves objective and subjective views, pragmatism and emotion.

It is an article in The Guardian.

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Some argue that, far from motivating pro-social behaviours, empathy can push us towards inaction at best and racism and violence at worst
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Respondents in brain imaging studies showed significantly less empathy if the person they observe experiencing pain belongs to a different race, social class or an opposing football team or political party.

Article

You have to go against your own nature and appeal to a higher principle when dealing with emotions. Otherwise your tribal instincts will allow you to have empathy for members of the tribe or team, and not for anyone else. When you love your enemy, you have demonstrated appeal to a higher principle. When you hate your enemy but love your friend, you've just followed emotion. Those higher principles come from us abstracting our emotional experience through rational thought, looking for universal ideas through a logical distillation process.  Empathy is the corn mash, universal love and human rights is the whiskey.

There is also something to be said about finding something you like about people you don't like.
But, uh...well there it is.
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Re: Another look at empathy
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2017, 01:30:10 PM »

There is also something to be said about finding something you like about people you don't like.

Yes, but those sorts of exercises have to be undertaken intentionally. Otherwise you'll just stay with your innate prejudices. It's hard to rise above base instincts.