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Now, I know as atheists you people probably don't believe in Hell.

Funny enough many religious people don't either. Many Christians really don't either.

I used to be among their number. I always thought God loved everybody so much that there is no way he would really send anyone to Hell forever.

I used to think this way but I am not sure I do anymore. I know atheists think its sort of a cop-out when Christians say people "Send themselves" to Hell. Unfortunately I think this is true though.

Why? Because people send themselves to Hell in this life.

Ironically I don't think the atrocities and horror of living on planet earth (the holocaust, hurricane katrina, AIDS epidemic, war etc.) are really good depictions of Hell. Even in the midst of horrors and tragedies often people find it in themselves to love and care for each other and still see the silverzlining in a pitch black cloud.

A better understanding or visualization of Hell (and Hell to come) is just how other sinful people behave n this life, how they relate to other people, and honestly how they relate to themselves.

There indeed are people in this life who don't give their fellow man, their family, or the world around them so much as a thought. They are ruled by spite and selfishness, and at times enjoy being cruel and hateful to other people.

We see this attitude in spouses who commit adultery, in children and parents who are mean and hateful to each other just for the sake of it, cutthroat people trying to get ahead, and people who really have no time whatever for generosity, compassion, or a worldview that involves the feelings and lives of others apart from themselves.

I honestly feel that to be without love, unable to give it or receive it is Hell's truest manifestation, and I honestly would be scared to end up there.

I said it earlier, but my idea of God is that he is pure love. Not that he loves sometimes, or loves some people and hates others but he honestly is love to it's deepest core.

Any ideas?

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 03:19:28 PM
Now, I know as atheists you people probably don't believe in Hell.

Well done, SisterAgatha, you're right. It's very hard to find an atheist who believes in hell, but there are atheists who have just about any belief that you can imagine, including belief in some sort of afterlife. There are even people who call themselves atheist who believe in some sort of god. Obviously they're unclear on the concept.

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 03:19:28 PM[snipped speculations]

Any ideas?

What sort of ideas are you looking for, SisterAgatha? Are you hoping to find an atheist who believes in the afterlife here? Are you asking atheists to speculate about something they don't think exists?

Funny you should mention speculating on the afterlife.

I was just talking with one of my fellow nuns, Sister Bellarmine.

She really is having a problem with one of the students in her class, sort of a roguish prankster by the name of Billy Flanagan.

According to sister, Billy causes her no end of trouble. He sometimes is caught spitting spit balls at other children, claims his "dog ate his homework" , sometimes steals chalk and other office supplies, and well..can be a bit "too fresh" with his female classmates. Personally I feel he is a charming, good hearted but irresponsible young man who could use direction in his life. "Charming Billy" is my nickname for him.

Unforuntately Sister Bellarmine is convinced he will go to Hell if he continues on his current road.

We were having tea in her office one Friday evening (we nuns sure know how to party huh  ;D?!)

We were discussing Hell. The bible doesn't exactly say what Hell is like, and so I asked that question to her.

She smiled, sipped her tea, holding her teacup with her big sausage fingers (she honestly could be a football player if she wasn't a nun!) and told me this account:

Imagine you are a criminal led to a judge, the most beautfiful and kind judge in the world. You are guilty of a plethora of crimes against him. Because of the judge's great virtue your punishment will be great.

Imagine being led by really strong and muscular guards being dragged to what appears to be a very large Oven. You hear cries and moans coming from within and the smell of burning flesh. You panic when you are lead to the oven struggling and screaming for all your might but the guards do not acknowledge your fear. The doors are flung open and the smoke,heat and burning flesh overpowers you.

"Please IM so sorry!" You will shriek when the judge comes to watch your sentence. The judge quietly and sadly shakes his head, as if to tell you you had plenty of time to say your sorry before. Now it is simply too late.

You are flung in with all the other starved dehydrated prisoners and the door is slammed shut. Here there are no amusements, no fun, and no hope and no purpose in life. The other people are so depressed and hopeless that they will likely be mean and nasty to you. Showing you no kindness and perhaps enjoying your suffering.

The heat, the hunger, the thirst and the utter lack of love are overpowering. After a few minutes you will cry in despair and say "when? when will we be let out? How long will this last?" The other wizened human corpes will stare at you with vacant eyes.. eyes brimming with despair and sorrow and say "Never. Forever!" Oh how you will shriek and cry when that happens!

The horrifying thing is though, according to Sister, is that if that event were to happen IRL there would be an end to it. Death and the possibility of heaven. Think of it going on forever though. After awhile you'd likely rip your face off in anguish and agony.

I believe Sister Bellarmine has a good heart and means well. But I find her a bit too grim at times, and her preoccupation with the suffering of the damned..a bit creepy. Billy needs to behave himself, but I doubt telling him a horror story will whip him into shape. She is a good colleague and a holy and pious woman but I do feel I need to broaden my social circle a bit more... :-\ :-\ :-\

I won't use a swear word out of resoect for your position, Sister, but that looks like a load of testicles to me.

OK... Sister Bellarmine...is a bit of a character. I love her but she is sort of like the crazy old great aunt who you invite to thanksgiving and are nice to because of moral obligations?

The poor dear is pushing 80..so don't judge her for this...

But she told me, a direct quote "Everyone is so awe-struck by the fact that all those Jews were baked into ovens way back in World War 2. Its bad but it is nothing compared to the ETERNAL OVEN..the oven where sinners go, have gone and will go until the second coming of Christ."

Not sure why she had to drag the Holocaust into a theological discussion...but OK...

"Sister"
(https://m.popkey.co/188855/wqWLz.gif)

My thoughts on hell? It's an ill thought idea that lacks even internal coherence.

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 04:06:02 PM
Funny you should mention speculating on the afterlife.

[snipped unresponsive loquacity]

You didn't answer my questions, SisterAgatha. What sort of ideas are you looking for? Are you hoping to find an atheist who believes in the afterlife here? Are you asking atheists to speculate about something they don't think exists?

Rap pretty much constitutes hell!

Quote from: Magdalena on October 02, 2017, 04:20:57 PM
"Sister"
(https://m.popkey.co/188855/wqWLz.gif)

I don't blame you one bit Mags as I feel exactly the same...whomever this poster is they are certainly not a nun...my bet would be it's a man, and I would also bet that it's the same person who was here a couple months ago pretending to be a young Catholic kid in High School named Manga, remember all of the NDE postings?

This thread, along with "her" other postings are so transparent, especially this latest bit about the wee young lad named, "Billy Flanagan"...I bet me entire bowlful of Lucky Charms that's also a total figment of manga SeesterAgatha's imagination.

Imagine mind ya', sending wee little Billy Flanigan off to hell just for shooting spitballs? (Sounds better if you read this out loud in your best Irish accent)

I'm having tomato soup for lunch today, actually tomato with roasted bell peppers, along with just a tiny bit of warm sourdough bread...it's really yummy! :P

Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

Please familiarize yourself with the rules of this site (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=1522.0), SisterAgatha. Your quoted post is nothing but preaching. Anything further along this line will get a moderator warning, and if you persist you'll be suspended from the site.

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

Sounds like you're EXCITED about this!!
Your god must be so proud of you!!
AND...and... the little children "you teach this hate to..." They are so lucky to have you!!
You make the world a much better place.
:tellmemore:

**Where the hell is the sarcasm font!?**  :Gaah:

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

And if his name is Allah where would you expect to go? I expect you could end up as one of an Islamist suicide bombers 72 virgins.  We're all going to hell in somebodies mythology. And your boss thinks that atheists go to heaven, you said so yourself.  :grin:



Second example of trolling.

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

(https://i.imgur.com/8ZkFCiE.gif)

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

I like the "If"... ::)

Yoohoo, Aggie, we're still here!

:computerwave:

Tsk, where's the Big G when you need him?
What? Nowhere? Oh, sorry, forgot about that!

Sister Agatha, your posts are beginning to make my neck muscles and my eyelids twitch. I can feel a massive anger response rising in my brain as a result of your idiotic statements and questions. Your personality seems to have morphed from a sweet, innocent, idealistic young nun to more of a hardcore dogmatic woman in just a couple of days. Its so weird. *scratching my head*
So in response to your original post question here, I have a lot of ideas and thoughts on hell. I could probably write an essay on them. As well as my thoughts on our good loving Lord allowing people to go to hell. However I don't really get the feeling that you want to have this discussion, you just want to start threads and fuck with us.
You are exhausting the gentler side of my nature.  :Gaah:

Quote from: Dragonia on October 02, 2017, 08:25:21 PM
... you just want to start threads and fuck with us. ...

That's exactly what trolls do.

I think all of Sister Agatha's threads belong in the troll pile.  :sweeping:

Quote from: Dragonia on October 02, 2017, 08:47:11 PM
I think all of Sister Agatha's threads belong in the troll pile.  :sweeping:

Is that "troll pile" spelt "s-h-i-t h-e-a-p"?

Quote from: Davin on October 02, 2017, 07:40:06 PM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

(https://i.imgur.com/8ZkFCiE.gif)

Quote from: Father Bruno on October 02, 2017, 07:53:18 PM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

I like the "If"... ::)

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
If my God is real..

This is coming from a nun?
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Quote from: Dragonia on October 02, 2017, 08:25:21 PM
Sister Agatha, your posts are beginning to make my neck muscles and my eyelids twitch. I can feel a massive anger response rising in my brain as a result of your idiotic statements and questions. Your personality seems to have morphed from a sweet, innocent, idealistic young nun to more of a hardcore dogmatic woman in just a couple of days. Its so weird. *scratching my head*
So in response to your original post question here, I have a lot of ideas and thoughts on hell. I could probably write an essay on them. As well as my thoughts on our good loving Lord allowing people to go to hell. However I don't really get the feeling that you want to have this discussion, you just want to start threads and fuck with us.
You are exhausting the gentler side of my nature.  :Gaah:

I still am idealistic IMO. I am just quoting the story from my associate.

I don't believe in a Hell like that, I just wonder what you people think of my associate for believing thus.

Also...What do you think should be done about Billy and the other rapscallions in my school? I don't think telling them about Hell is the best..should I have them sit in a circle, play my guitar and sing songs about respect, caring obedience etc?

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 09:34:45 PM
I still am idealistic IMO. I am just quoting the story from my associate.

I don't believe in a Hell like that, I just wonder what you people think of my associate for believing thus.

Assuming your story is accurate, she's merely enunciating the traditional Christian view of hell. Many Christians have believed what she believes, and continue to believe it. They have reason to: the Bible describes the agony of the damned in explicit detail. Moreover, none other than Thomas Aquinas stated that the delight of those in heaven will be enhanced by their clear view of those suffering in hell.

QuoteWherefore in order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned.

[source (http://www.newadvent.org/summa/5094.htm)]

Of course he goes on to explain that the saved will not actually be rejoicing directly in the suffering of the damned, but that doesn't negate his earlier statement.

QuoteA thing may be a matter of rejoicing in two ways. First directly, when one rejoices in a thing as such: and thus the saints will not rejoice in the punishment of the wicked. Secondly, indirectly, by reason namely of something annexed to it: and in this way the saints will rejoice in the punishment of the wicked, by considering therein the order of Divine justice and their own deliverance, which will fill them with joy. And thus the Divine justice and their own deliverance will be the direct cause of the joy of the blessed: while the punishment of the damned will cause it indirectly.

[ibid. (http://www.newadvent.org/summa/5094.htm)]

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

You think we haven't heard such asinine statements before? :fingertap:

And yet, here we are, still as atheistic as ever!  ::)

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 09:34:45 PM
I don't believe in a Hell like that,

If you don't, then I wonder what you mean by this:

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.
If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 09:34:45 PM
I just wonder what you people think of my associate for believing thus.

I'm pretty sure you already know what Us People believe about your friend.....

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 09:34:45 PM
Also...What do you think should be done about Billy and the other rapscallions in my school? I don't think telling them about Hell is the best..should I have them sit in a circle, play my guitar and sing songs about respect, caring obedience etc?

As far as the Rapscallion Billy goes, you said yourself, "Personally I feel he is a charming, good hearted but irresponsible young man who could use direction in his life. "Charming Billy" is my nickname for him"
So, give him direction!

You probably need to sing songs of respect and caring to yourself, for I think that you could use a few doses of both.

Even if this god shitbag is real, I'd still rather deal with Lucifer who is a prick to your face, and not that back stabbing, malevolent, cowardly cunt rag, you call a god!

If you want a sense of what Hell is listen to this lovey man!





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Are you a fearful person, Sister Agatha?

Quote from: Father Bruno on October 02, 2017, 07:53:18 PM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

I like the "If"... ::)

Reminds me of the Ancient Spartan reply to King Philip of Macedon:

QuoteAround 350 BC, King Philip II of Macedon started invading the crap out of Greece. After he had several key footholds under his command, Philip decided to start putting pressure on Sparta, and sent them the following threatening message: "If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."

The Spartan's sent back a single word in reply: "if". Other versions of the event involved Philip sending the decidedly more verbose threat, "If once I enter into your territories, I will destroy ye all, never to rise again." Again, the Spartan's recorded reply was simply the word "If." Apparently, the sheer awesomeness of this quote has muddied the waters of history as to the exact wording of Philip's threat. That's fine, because the Spartan reply is all we, or anyone else, should care about.

Regardless of what exactly Philip said, the message he'd gotten back was clear: stay the hell away from Sparta. Which he did — although Philip sacked most of Greece, he never once set foot in Sparta, and never bothered them again, except for that other time he totally did.

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 03, 2017, 12:33:40 AM
If you want a sense of what Hell is listen to this lovey man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1dDbnWRSLI

Anyone want a sense of hell?
(https://i.imgur.com/mWvMPa6.gif)

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 03, 2017, 12:33:40 AM
If you want a sense of what Hell is listen to this lovey man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1dDbnWRSLI

I don't think you even listened to that lecture yourself, SisterAgatha. Do you know why I think that?

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 03, 2017, 12:51:22 AM

Quote from: Father Bruno on October 02, 2017, 07:53:18 PM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 02, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Just think of this.

If my God is real..you people are FINISHED!!

I like the "If"... ::)

Reminds me of the Ancient Spartan reply to King Philip of Macedon:

QuoteAround 350 BC, King Philip II of Macedon started invading the crap out of Greece. After he had several key footholds under his command, Philip decided to start putting pressure on Sparta, and sent them the following threatening message: "If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."

The Spartan's sent back a single word in reply: "if". Other versions of the event involved Philip sending the decidedly more verbose threat, "If once I enter into your territories, I will destroy ye all, never to rise again." Again, the Spartan's recorded reply was simply the word "If." Apparently, the sheer awesomeness of this quote has muddied the waters of history as to the exact wording of Philip's threat. That's fine, because the Spartan reply is all we, or anyone else, should care about.

Regardless of what exactly Philip said, the message he'd gotten back was clear: stay the hell away from Sparta. Which he did — although Philip sacked most of Greece, he never once set foot in Sparta, and never bothered them again, except for that other time he totally did.

Nice reply xSP ;D I had forgotten about that little bit of history. "If" our guest was actually nun, then I would be curious to know why "she" led her statement with such a word of doubt and chance, but again she's no more of a nun than I am an actual priest. (Though I have given thought to starting my own church, well I have a name for it anyway. "The Church of the Divine Primate". What do y'all think of that, good name or no?)

Quote from: Recusant on October 03, 2017, 05:42:48 AM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 03, 2017, 12:33:40 AM
If you want a sense of what Hell is listen to this lovey man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1dDbnWRSLI

I don't think you even listened to that lecture yourself, SisterAgatha. Do you know why I think that?

I'm curious to know why you think that Recusant, as I doubt SeesterAgatha" will respond to your question. I would say it's because the venerable Monsignor Sheen is fucking boring as hell, and his description of hell is about as useful as wet toilet paper to wipe ones ass. (Or because only 11 people have taken the time to watch it, most likely as a sleep aid)

Unfortunately I remember this guy all to well from my school days, we had to watch tapes of his show in class. Just hearing that fucking monotone voice of boredom has me nodding at me desk.... :yawn:

It's because that isn't actually the full lecture, and there's no link to the final part. A full version is readily available on YouTube. That particular version was put on the 'net in 2013. I know that for several years YouTube had a rather short time limit on videos uploaded to the site, but I don't remember when they started allowing longer videos. The full version was uploaded last year and is approximately twice as long as the version SisterAgatha gave a link to.

If she wanted us heathens to get the good word from the smarmy Bishop Sheen, you'd think she'd link to its full version. I think she put something about Catholicism and hell into a search engine, saw that video and posted here it without ever bothering to listen to it.

Monsignor Sheen is amazing! Although he was dead in the ground long before I was born he sure knew how to teach and preach.

If Sheen won't turn you to Catholocism nothing will! He is far better and more intellectual than anything we have today. He is like some Irish aristocrat or something in terms of how elegent and eloquent he is.

Check this out..it's about the rise of the antichrist and how society's changed will herald his coming!



Even in 1947 athesits were causing a stir, saying this life is the only one you need to live for..etc..well he has a thing or two to say about that!

Lots of theists have a lot to say about other people and the way they should behave. Funny thing is that us atheists just watch with perplexed astonishment at the abject stupidity of people who think there is actually something in charge!!!  :rofl:

Helheim? Not such a bad place I hear...possibly a shortage of chairs though and not nearly as much mead to be had as Valhalla.  AC/DC wrote a song about traveling there but they added an unnecessary "l" to Hel and called it the "highway" instead of Helvegr, but I guess "highway" is more modern and sounds better than "interstate".

Quote from: Father Bruno on October 03, 2017, 01:44:30 PM
Nice reply xSP ;D I had forgotten about that little bit of history. "If" our guest was actually nun, then I would be curious to know why "she" led her statement with such a word of doubt and chance, but again she's no more of a nun than I am an actual priest. (Though I have given thought to starting my own church, well I have a name for it anyway. "The Church of the Divine Primate". What do y'all think of that, good name or no?)

:notsure: I guess it's a "well-behaved" name for a Church. ;)

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 04, 2017, 12:42:17 AM

Quote from: Father Bruno on October 03, 2017, 01:44:30 PM
Nice reply xSP ;D I had forgotten about that little bit of history. "If" our guest was actually nun, then I would be curious to know why "she" led her statement with such a word of doubt and chance, but again she's no more of a nun than I am an actual priest. (Though I have given thought to starting my own church, well I have a name for it anyway. "The Church of the Divine Primate". What do y'all think of that, good name or no?)

:notsure: I guess it's a "well-behaved" name for a Church. ;)

I like it.  Not as alluring as the Church of Bacon, but given my nebulous aversion to meat that one is out for me.

Quote from: solidsquid on October 03, 2017, 11:45:05 PM
Helheim? Not such a bad place I hear...possibly a shortage of chairs though and not nearly as much mead to be had as Valhalla.  AC/DC wrote a song about traveling there but they added an unnecessary "l" to Hel and called it the "highway" instead of Helvegr, but I guess "highway" is more modern and sounds better than "interstate".

Now you've gone and reminded me of this:

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 04, 2017, 02:40:06 AM

Quote from: solidsquid on October 03, 2017, 11:45:05 PM
Helheim? Not such a bad place I hear...possibly a shortage of chairs though and not nearly as much mead to be had as Valhalla.  AC/DC wrote a song about traveling there but they added an unnecessary "l" to Hel and called it the "highway" instead of Helvegr, but I guess "highway" is more modern and sounds better than "interstate".

Now you've gone and reminded me of this:

I love that video ! ;D

I think we should make it the "Official Video " for HAF.

It's in shells.
It's where the noise comes from.
Don't believe me?  :o
Just record the noise a shell makes and play it backwards.
Then you'll know.

Assuming Hell is real.... and I think it is..everyone there is in BIG TROUBLE.

They are there of their own free will because they do not love God.  Unless you atheists turn around and start loving God again you will be in big trouble.

Did you know that when Jesus comes again there will be a universal resurrection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Judaism

That means that all the souls who have ever lived will get their bodies back. The souls in heaven will have bodies that are attractive and sparkly looking.

The souls in Hell will have putrid rotten corpses.

If being a soul in Hell is terrible, imagine having a body and soul in Hell? horrid

The damned are in such pain and despair that they vent their sadness/frustrations on each other. And sorry people, there are no friends in Hell, because friendship is based on love, God is love, and God is not in Hell.

Everyone you kind of liked in life you will hate once you are damned with them.

Just imagine a cheating scoundrel husband and his mistress who are damned together because of their sin. Do you think they will still be looking lustfully into each others eyes after the final judgement.

No. They will be tearing each others eyes OUT!!

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Assuming Hell is real.... and I think it is..everyone there is in BIG TROUBLE.

They are there of their own free will because they do not love God.  Unless you atheists turn around and start loving God again you will be in big trouble.

Did you know that when Jesus comes again there will be a universal resurrection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Judaism

That means that all the souls who have ever lived will get their bodies back. The souls in heaven will have bodies that are attractive and sparkly looking.

The souls in Hell will have putrid rotten corpses.

If being a soul in Hell is terrible, imagine having a body and soul in Hell? horrid

The damned are in such pain and despair that they vent their sadness/frustrations on each other. And sorry people, there are no friends in Hell, because friendship is based on love, God is love, and God is not in Hell.

Everyone you kind of liked in life you will hate once you are damned with them.

Just imagine a cheating scoundrel husband and his mistress who are damned together because of their sin. Do you think they will still be looking lustfully into each others eyes after the final judgement.

No. They will be tearing each others eyes OUT!!

I'm so bloody scared,..."shivers"...since this thread has turned into a joke, I might as well let Jim Jeffries give you his opinion on the matter, since it matches mine more or less...(Since your a Roman Catholic Nun it's captioned in latin)

QuoteThe bible, that's god book, as far as I know the devil hasn't brought out a book yet, haven't heard his side of the argument. God's just writing shit about him, and the devil's being the bigger man and saying I'm not even going to comment, talking shit about me like that.

Ill have you know that is Italian as opposed to Church Latin.

If you want to be a burnt husked out corpse, eternally shrieking and clawing at the corpses without a drop of water be my guest.


When you meet your eternal fate.. you will shriek "WHY OH WHY DID I NOT LISTEN TO SISTER AGATHA?"

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 08:37:13 PM
Ill have you know that is Italian as opposed to Church Latin.

If you want to be a burnt husked out corpse, eternally shrieking and clawing at the corpses without a drop of water be my guest.


When you meet your eternal fate.. you will shriek "WHY OH WHY DID I NOT LISTEN TO SISTER AGATHA?"

Church Latin? I think you mean "Ecclesiastical Latin",...good grief but must have been a very poor student at the convent...anyway.

Next I prayed to Allah, whose ears are deaf; then did I beseech his fallen twin, the Devil Hornprick, who sits upon his thorn of fire, gloating upon his constellations and counting his bloody seeds. In Baclava it is said Hornprick once caught a glimpse of the First Woman, as she sat singing to her snake in her chamber of sacred mud. Dazzled by her sight, the light of love and lust, he fell. He is still falling. For all eternity her breasts orbit his dreams."

― Rikki Ducornet, Contemporary Surrealist Prose

If there is a hell let it be me tortured for all eternity with the image of Selma Hyek's breast orbiting in my dreams 8)

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Assuming Hell is real.... and I think it is..everyone there is in BIG TROUBLE.

They are there of their own free will because they do not love God.  Unless you atheists turn around and start loving God again you will be in big trouble.

Did you know that when Jesus comes again there will be a universal resurrection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Judaism

That means that all the souls who have ever lived will get their bodies back. The souls in heaven will have bodies that are attractive and sparkly looking.

The souls in Hell will have putrid rotten corpses.

If being a soul in Hell is terrible, imagine having a body and soul in Hell? horrid

The damned are in such pain and despair that they vent their sadness/frustrations on each other. And sorry people, there are no friends in Hell, because friendship is based on love, God is love, and God is not in Hell.

Everyone you kind of liked in life you will hate once you are damned with them.

Just imagine a cheating scoundrel husband and his mistress who are damned together because of their sin. Do you think they will still be looking lustfully into each others eyes after the final judgement.

No. They will be tearing each others eyes OUT!!

Come on, you can do better than that! You haven't given me a single goosebump!

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 07, 2017, 09:02:25 PM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Assuming Hell is real.... and I think it is..everyone there is in BIG TROUBLE.

They are there of their own free will because they do not love God.  Unless you atheists turn around and start loving God again you will be in big trouble.

Did you know that when Jesus comes again there will be a universal resurrection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Judaism

That means that all the souls who have ever lived will get their bodies back. The souls in heaven will have bodies that are attractive and sparkly looking.

The souls in Hell will have putrid rotten corpses.

If being a soul in Hell is terrible, imagine having a body and soul in Hell? horrid

The damned are in such pain and despair that they vent their sadness/frustrations on each other. And sorry people, there are no friends in Hell, because friendship is based on love, God is love, and God is not in Hell.

Everyone you kind of liked in life you will hate once you are damned with them.

Just imagine a cheating scoundrel husband and his mistress who are damned together because of their sin. Do you think they will still be looking lustfully into each others eyes after the final judgement.

No. They will be tearing each others eyes OUT!!

Come on, you can do better than that! You haven't given me a single goosebump!

Typical myth-y silliness, nonsensical and unoriginal.  My question is "how do they know this?".   At best, it's fantasy guesswork they've come up with on their own or, much more likely, the fantasy guesswork of someone else they've just decided to accept.  Well, my guesses are just as good an anyone else's, I could make up stories too if I wanted and my stories wouldn't indicate a need for immediate psychiatric help.

Maybe hell is being stuck on a broken elevator with a young earth creationist, and a flat earther, and a christian apologist.

Quote from: No one on October 07, 2017, 11:36:08 PM
Maybe hell is being stuck on a broken elevator with a young earth creationist, and a flat earther, and a christian apologist.

Now that is horrifying. 

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 07, 2017, 11:38:00 PM

Quote from: No one on October 07, 2017, 11:36:08 PM
Maybe hell is being stuck on a broken elevator with a young earth creationist, and a flat earther, and a christian apologist.

Now that is horrifying.

It would certainly give me nightmares!

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 08:37:13 PM
Ill have you know that is Italian as opposed to Church Latin.

If you want to be a burnt husked out corpse, eternally shrieking and clawing at the corpses without a drop of water be my guest.


When you meet your eternal fate.. you will shriek "WHY OH WHY DID I NOT LISTEN TO SISTER AGATHA?"

First official warning

This is preaching. It is against rules of the forum. Continue preaching and you will be suspended and then banned.

Tank

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Assuming Hell is real.... and I think it is..everyone there is in BIG TROUBLE.

They are there of their own free will because they do not love God.  Unless you atheists turn around and start loving God again you will be in big trouble.

Did you know that when Jesus comes again there will be a universal resurrection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Judaism

That means that all the souls who have ever lived will get their bodies back. The souls in heaven will have bodies that are attractive and sparkly looking.

The souls in Hell will have putrid rotten corpses.

If being a soul in Hell is terrible, imagine having a body and soul in Hell? horrid

The damned are in such pain and despair that they vent their sadness/frustrations on each other. And sorry people, there are no friends in Hell, because friendship is based on love, God is love, and God is not in Hell.

Everyone you kind of liked in life you will hate once you are damned with them.

Just imagine a cheating scoundrel husband and his mistress who are damned together because of their sin. Do you think they will still be looking lustfully into each others eyes after the final judgement.

No. They will be tearing each others eyes OUT!!

Wow! OK!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/be/86/b1/be86b1b69488a9613dc4ee82ea156bb8.gif)

Just one thing...
Is this Sister Bellarmine speaking? Sister Agatha? Or Jesus?
Are you three the holy trinity? :notsure:

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 08:37:13 PM

If you want to be a burnt husked out corpse, eternally shrieking and clawing at the corpses without a drop of water be my guest.


When you meet your eternal fate.. you will shriek "WHY OH WHY DID I NOT LISTEN TO SISTER AGATHA?"

Wow! Again.
Sister Bellarmine, your true colors are slowly becoming visible, aren't they?

I feel like I get a little taste of hell every time I read one of Sister Agatha's posts.  :doh:

Quote from: Dragonia on October 08, 2017, 03:43:35 PM
I feel like I get a little taste of hell every time I read one of Sister Agatha's posts.  :doh:

Hell can really be other people.

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 08, 2017, 03:45:27 PM

Quote from: Dragonia on October 08, 2017, 03:43:35 PM
I feel like I get a little taste of hell every time I read one of Sister Agatha's posts.  :doh:

Hell can really be other people.

Like Sister Agatha?

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 07, 2017, 11:26:12 PM

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 07, 2017, 09:02:25 PM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 07, 2017, 07:48:44 PM
Assuming Hell is real.... and I think it is..everyone there is in BIG TROUBLE.

They are there of their own free will because they do not love God.  Unless you atheists turn around and start loving God again you will be in big trouble.

Did you know that when Jesus comes again there will be a universal resurrection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment#Judaism

That means that all the souls who have ever lived will get their bodies back. The souls in heaven will have bodies that are attractive and sparkly looking.

The souls in Hell will have putrid rotten corpses.

If being a soul in Hell is terrible, imagine having a body and soul in Hell? horrid

The damned are in such pain and despair that they vent their sadness/frustrations on each other. And sorry people, there are no friends in Hell, because friendship is based on love, God is love, and God is not in Hell.

Everyone you kind of liked in life you will hate once you are damned with them.

Just imagine a cheating scoundrel husband and his mistress who are damned together because of their sin. Do you think they will still be looking lustfully into each others eyes after the final judgement.

No. They will be tearing each others eyes OUT!!

Come on, you can do better than that! You haven't given me a single goosebump!

Typical myth-y silliness, nonsensical and unoriginal.  My question is "how do they know this?".   At best, it's fantasy guesswork they've come up with on their own or, much more likely, the fantasy guesswork of someone else they've just decided to accept.  Well, my guesses are just as good an anyone else's, I could make up stories too if I wanted and my stories wouldn't indicate a need for immediate psychiatric help.

Yes.

I think a part of SisterAgatha really wants us snarky atheists to go to this hellish place she believes exists. That'll teach us, won't it? ::)

Quote from: Dave on October 08, 2017, 03:46:24 PM

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 08, 2017, 03:45:27 PM

Quote from: Dragonia on October 08, 2017, 03:43:35 PM
I feel like I get a little taste of hell every time I read one of Sister Agatha's posts.  :doh:

Hell can really be other people.

Like Sister Agatha?

Like all she represents.

Why would a loving God ever allow one of his creations to go to hell?  If you had a child, would you allow him/her to wander close to a raging fire in a pit?  Let's say you gave him a stern warning and he still got close. What would a loving parent do?  Would you not do whatever was in your power to prevent him from falling in?   God has the power to keep everyone of his creations from going to hell. If he allows them to go there, can he be called loving?

For lack of a better term, the god of the bible is a straight up giant fucking douchebag!

Look. I am kind of progressive about Hell.

I don't think people go there simply for not being a Catholic.

But I do believe in Hell of some sort even if it is the fire and brimstone place of Looney tunes, disney movies and Dant'es inferno.

Hell doesn't have to be like a horror movie to be Hellish.

Going off what Bishop Sheen said many people are in Hell or go to Hell while they are still living.

I mean people who aren't necessarily mass murderers or criminals but who simply do not love and are not loved in return. People who go about their orderly lives without truly caring for others, giving others any regard or viewing others as simply means to an end.

Hell can be when people are cruel to eachohter for the fun of it, or get so angry and enraged at the wrong others have done to them that they swear horrid revenge and refuse forgiveness.

Do you people ever watch Downton Abbey? In the early season I believe Lady Edith and Lady Mary were sort of in Hell, given who cruel they were to each other and what little regard they gave the world.

Hell utterly is a lack of love. To live without love, unable to give it or receive it.

I don't know if Hell is a massive torture chamber from Diablo II or something to that effect. But it doesn't need to be in order to be horrid.

Sister Agatha, have you ever considered the possibility that you might need an exorcism?  :chin:



That would be a fun Halloween activity right there.  :thumbsup2:

Quote from: Magdalena on October 09, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
Sister Agatha, have you ever considered the possibility that you might need an exorcism?  :chin:



That would be a fun Halloween activity right there.  :thumbsup2:

If it were filmed it might rival The Blair Witch.

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 09, 2017, 03:56:31 AM

Quote from: Magdalena on October 09, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
Sister Agatha, have you ever considered the possibility that you might need an exorcism?  :chin:



That would be a fun Halloween activity right there.  :thumbsup2:

If it were filmed it might rival The Blair Witch.

I can see it... :chin:
Sister Agatha is possessed by the evil spirit of Sister Bellarmine, she starts speaking in tongues and shit...but the scariest part is when she starts reading all the posts she's made here...all of them...every single one of them....One right after the other, she won't stop...and as she's reading, she starts writing the next one with her left foot.
:worried:

^^^
I'm sorry, did I actually say that outloud?  :lol:
I'm sorry for that outburst. I apologize.  :lol:

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 09, 2017, 02:12:52 AM
Look. I am kind of progressive about Hell.

...

No. You have a obsession about a fantasy created by our ancestors.

Quote from: Tank on October 09, 2017, 06:51:52 AM

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 09, 2017, 02:12:52 AM
Look. I am kind of progressive about Hell.

...

No. You have a obsession about a fantasy created by our ancestors.

If, indeed, anything you say is not just troll-speak.

I'd love to take part in an exorcism.  Please can I hold the candle?

Quote from: OldGit on October 09, 2017, 09:58:27 AM
I'd love to take part in an exorcism.  Please can I hold the candle?

Me the bell please.

Hell is about as scary as these guys that have been around for thousands of years:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.campaignbrief.com%2Fwa%2Fassets_c%2F2014%2F06%2FRetravision_EndIsNigh_1993_BLOG-thumb-300x252-153559.jpg&hash=8fae2a68955ac5167b3df661e7b294f388e50a2f)

Quote from: Dave on October 09, 2017, 10:40:45 AM

Quote from: OldGit on October 09, 2017, 09:58:27 AM
I'd love to take part in an exorcism.  Please can I hold the candle?

Me the bell please.

Check this out:
(Warning: You will waste one precious, precious minute and twenty seven seconds of your life. You can never get them back.)

"Do you have a legal right to be there?"
What the hell? ::)
That is one sassy, annoying demon.
Sister Agatha, do you really believe in hell and this shit?  :headscratch:

:picard facepalm:

Quote from: Davin on October 09, 2017, 07:25:46 PM
Hell is about as scary as these guys that have been around for thousands of years:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.campaignbrief.com%2Fwa%2Fassets_c%2F2014%2F06%2FRetravision_EndIsNigh_1993_BLOG-thumb-300x252-153559.jpg&hash=8fae2a68955ac5167b3df661e7b294f388e50a2f)

The first Christian on record to predict a specific time for the end of the world (other than Jesus himself predicting (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+24%3A30-34&version=NIVUK) that the end of the world would occur before the passing of "this generation" i.e. the generation of the people listening to him) was Hilary of Poitiers in AD 364 (https://books.google.com/books?id=CrUdgzSICxcC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=364+hilary+of+poitiers+prediction&source=bl&ots=KJTXL0y7KQ&sig=LeeUyb5ptPrex-bplRdhq-qUqOE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZq6nxn-TWAhXJgVQKHdUKAnUQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=364%20hilary%20of%20poitiers%20prediction&f=false). Thus the HAF user rank "Happily Surviving the End Times Since 365." 

They've been at it ever since (http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm). In fact a Catholic numerologist named David Meade is currently revising his prediction of the end of the world, which didn't happen on the date of September 23. Now he's saying that the beginning of the end will be October 15 (http://www.newsweek.com/doomsday-conspiracy-theory-david-meade-apocalypse-october-670253) (stupid autoplay video accompanies story at link). ;)

Quote from: Davin on October 09, 2017, 07:25:46 PM
Hell is about as scary as these guys that have been around for thousands of years:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.campaignbrief.com%2Fwa%2Fassets_c%2F2014%2F06%2FRetravision_EndIsNigh_1993_BLOG-thumb-300x252-153559.jpg&hash=8fae2a68955ac5167b3df661e7b294f388e50a2f)

I wonder if anyone would know what "nigh" meant if it weren't for these signs?  Maybe they do provide some value.

Oh dear me... I am doing such a poor job of explaining Hell to you.

Father Rippergar can do such a better job than I can:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5krCDgEj8

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 16, 2017, 05:32:36 PM
Oh dear me... I am doing such a poor job of explaining Hell to you.

Father Rippergar can do such a better job than I can:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5krCDgEj8

I'm confused, is he describing hell or is hell having to listen to his boring, monotone voice read some shite?

No matter whose recipe you use for trumped up pie, it's still very much a delusion.

Take control of your fear, Sister Agatha.

I would love to perform a skin conductance test on you before and while you listen to the babble you post here. Descriptions of scary after-life places, boogey-men (time to outgrow them, dontcha think?) and eternal torture. I'd bet your results would be off the charts!

Is this the 'good news' you're so keen to share with nonbelievers? :lol:

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 17, 2017, 02:36:14 AM

I would love to perform a skin conductance test on you before and while you listen to the babble you post here. Descriptions of scary after-life places, boogey-men (time to outgrow them, dontcha think?) and eternal torture. I'd bet your results would be off the charts!

I would love to watch that, I'm a sucker for science.   :watching:

On a different note, it really doesn't matter who explains a thing - junk is junk, no matter what the delivery system is.  I could have Greek myths read to me by Jim Carrey and Morgan Freeman and, while I'd certainly enjoy the Freeman reading more, the myths themselves would still be junk. 

Same goes for Xtian myths.  The only difference is in the entertainment value, in which Greek myths exceed Xtian myths.  But then most non-Xtian myths exceed the Xtian ones in entertainment value, Xtians have always seemed to suffer from a serious lack of imagination.

Quote from: SisterAgatha on October 16, 2017, 05:32:36 PM
Oh dear me... I am doing such a poor job of explaining Hell to you.

:therethere:
There, there, Sister Agatha, it's not you, it's us, we got strong antibodies against such diseases. --That's all.  :devil2:

Also, how do you know so much about hell? :eyebrow: Have you ever been there?  Do you know anyone who has ever been there? :eyebrow: Why are you around people who have been to hell, and back? :eyebrow:

(https://scontent.fpoa13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22549703_1170221659743946_4993563711890746693_n.jpg?oh=c187a297cb184b94e0960207bd3638a2&oe=5A67446B)

^
Hell indeed!

My thought are mimicked in this link. Basically, it is an invention of the church to help theists part with their cash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

Regards
DL

Damn, I go away for a bit and miss all the excitement...

I for one would like to know exactly what the Bible says about us all getting sparkly bodies.

It sounds fun, in a Kurt Wild who definitely not supposed to be Iggy Pop sort of way.

(super NSFW)

Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 05, 2017, 02:14:23 AM
Damn, I go away for a bit and miss all the excitement...

I for one would like to know exactly what the Bible says about us all getting sparkly bodies.

It sounds fun, in a Kurt Wild who definitely not supposed to be Iggy Pop sort of way.

(super NSFW)

Now I'm determined to keep on sinning.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMAf3CZUEAAi0Qh.jpg)