I've been watching a debate between two of my friends on facebook that has made me think.
The debate surrounds the idea of cultural appropriation and how getting hand henna tattoos at music festivals could be insulting to the cultures who use hand henna tattoos as part of their wedding celebrations.
I'm wondering where you draw the line though. We have always 'borrowed' things from other cultures, take food for example it seems okay for a Brit like me to try and cook an Indian curry. Or am I insulting people by doing this?
How do we make the distinction between being interested in another culture and insulting it?
You will just have to talk to people from the culture you want to borrow from. If nobody you know is like that, then fuck it.
I don't think they can complain about the idea of temporary tattoos. However if patterns that have a specific or significant cultural meaning are used then I feel that is wrong.
Basically it is just one form of body/face painting, a decorative or ceremonial practice that has a long history in many cultures IIRC. As kids we used to have coloured transfers that, sort of, formed a badge for a temporary micro-culture. Punks and Goths used face paints to make them identifiable members of a sub-culture, along with the uniform of torn jeans, chains, black gear etc.
Whether henna or a modern substitutes are used makes little difference I think, but the patterns and symbols are another thing. A woman reporter once told of her experience in Africa. She liked one of the little bead pendant necklaces in a local shop so bought it and put it on. All the local wonen started pointing at her and giggling. Each pattern on the pendants had a specific meaning - the one she bought said, basically, "I am a woman of easy virtue".
Misappropriating cultural symbolism can have nasty consequences.
Gloucester's example is a good one, but unfortunately this debate has reached rather silly depths. For example, a bunch of students at Oberlin College protested because they felt the cafeteria was culturally appropriating dishes from other countries because they didn't cook them "authentically". One of the dishes was General Tso's chicken, which was invented in the US, not China. Somehow that detail was overlooked.
I've also seen people claim that yoga should not be taught in the US by white people for the same reason. Really, at what point do you draw the line? Should we stop listening to rock music because it came from black blues music that white musicians adapted? Should we stop speaking romance languages because it appropriates Latin? Obviously I'm being rhetorical, but this is the problem with a vague accusation such as this.
To me it seems that this is condescending. That the would-be 'protectors' of immigrant cultures are saying that those cultures aren't viable without the 'protectors' speaking up for them. I'm not sure how this is supposed to work in the long run. Is the desired outcome that the immigrants never become part of the dominant culture, forever living in their cultural bubble; 'separate but equal'?
The problem I have with the concept of "cultural appropriation" (at least when taken to extremes) is "how am I supposed to appreciate your culture if I'm never allowed to experience it?" Food is the biggest one for me; if I eat something delicious from another culture, I may want to try my hand cooking it at home. But, being a typical American with access to typical American ingredients and typical American cookware or whatnot, I may have to approximate. Hell, I approximate dishes from my own culture all the time, because of the ingredients I have on hand, or because I think adding X would make it taste better, or because I'm being lazy and the actual recipe is too much work, but I can get "close enough" by skipping these steps and doing Y instead. I can understand why some cultural appropriation is insensitive and offensive. Such as people dressing up as a charicature of a culture for Halloween (the infamous "Sexy Indian Brave" type costumes come to mind.) Reducing people's cultures into cartoon character stereotypes is rarely a good idea. And I can see the henna thing; taking a symbol that is sacred to someone as a fashion accessory with no real understanding of its cultural meaning is pretty trivializing. But there has to be a line. And I think that there is value in "allowing" people to share and appreciate your culture even if they don't get it perfectly.
I took tae qwon do as a kid. My instructor was white and his gi was star spangled. I asked him why that was. He said his instructors taught him that you must have pride for your country. Which is true if you look up tae kwon do rules.
If the koreans never imigrated to the usa and taught my instructor tae kwon do, I would never have learned it. So I'm thankful to Koreans for what they have done in the martial arts community. But that doesn't mean some university kid can come and disrespect my master because they think he is culturally appropriating taekwondo by wearing a star spangled gi. These kids know very little about martial arts and I would not let them disrespect my sacred martial art if they did do that.
However, some martial arts are better than tae kwon do. I realize that and accept it. Not too long ago there was a mixed martial artist who went into hiding after beating a tai chi fighter in China. Sometimes we have to accept that we westerners adapt things and make them better. And if we worry about who is offending who when they try their thing for themselves, we will never see the newer and better evolution of their thing. (And fyi, China reversed engineered American cars and started making their own based on that. Why? Because it's part of their culture to do so)
Quote from: Arturo on June 17, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
You will just have to talk to people from the culture you want to borrow from. If nobody you know is like that, then fuck it.
The thing is that what is and is not cultural appropriation isn't agreed on even within cultures being protected. Firebird's yoga example for instance -- I remember reading an article by an Indian-American woman who was all hot and bothered about white people practicing yoga, but admitted that her parents had no problem with it at all, in fact they found it flattering that people outside Indian culture were taking it up.
And then there's this:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrAaJqX8.jpg&hash=ede4bccdea0b38cf51e5d0866138e9537809a253)
A man from China named Zhang Wei-Qiang, now a Canadian citizen named Johnny W. Chang, danced the lead in the ballet Dracula, based on a story by an Irish writer who took extreme creative license with a legendary but real Transylvanian nobleman. Is there cultural appropriation going on here? How much and on whose part? Does it matter if Chang was brilliant as Dracula? (he was, in my opinion -- I saw the performance on TV)
I think these clashes are inevitable in our "Global Village" and must happen whenever different cultures interact. The Neanderthals probably complained that the humans were stealing some of their traditions.
We're all humans. We can all do what we want that does not hurt any one else. And as imitation is the greatest form of flattery there really is no such thing as cultural appropriation, it's really cultural admiration. But there are always those that 'take' offence when it suits them.
There's a post discussing this on FB too, and one person made the point that appropriation involves taking something away from someone else, and since culture is a shared experience it can't be "appropriated".
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 18, 2017, 08:08:21 AM
There's a post discussing this on FB too, and one person made the point that appropriation involves taking something away from someone else, and since culture is a shared experience it can't be "appropriated".
Er, hang on, um...
"...culture is a shared experience..." I don't think that's true, unless it is between members of the same cultural group. FGM is a "cultural" practice - not a legal or religious imperitive. Drinking alcohol as a social behaviour is a cultural practice for some and not for others. Culture can be a shared experience in terms of appreciation, rather thsn practice.
Now, "cultural
misappropriation", especially when symbolism or iconography that has an emotional or historical importance to that culture is involved, may be grounds for valid complaint. No matter what you think of Christianity, for an e.g., using a crucifix in a sexual act is not exactly civilized behaviour.
Whereas, as I said before, using a dye to draw temporary non-culturally significant designs on the skin is not unique to any one culture - no valid complaint.
I've been doing a bit more reading on this in order to try and understand it a little more. The sources of information tend to be opinion pieces in publications but here are some common feelings about it.
The main issue doesn't seem to be cultural appreciation but when members of a dominant culture take elements from a culture of people who have been systematically oppressed by that dominant group. In that way it's different from cultural exchange and assimilation.
Some examples that keep coming up are: Washington Redskins NFL team using that name, things that are 'Cool' for White People – But 'Too Ethnic' for People of Colour like cornrows in hair, things that perpetuate stereotypes about a culture, people wearing native american headdresses as fashion accessories.
Quote from: Claireliontamer on June 18, 2017, 10:02:39 AM
I've been doing a bit more reading on this in order to try and understand it a little more. The sources of information tend to be opinion pieces in publications but here are some common feelings about it.
The main issue doesn't seem to be cultural appreciation but when members of a dominant culture take elements from a culture of people who have been systematically oppressed by that dominant group. In that way it's different from cultural exchange and assimilation.
Some examples that keep coming up are: Washington Redskins NFL team using that name, things that are 'Cool' for White People – But 'Too Ethnic' for People of Colour like cornrows in hair, things that perpetuate stereotypes about a culture, people wearing native american headdresses as fashion accessories.
Good points, Claire, and perhaps that reinforces the conceot of "cultural misappropriation". I wonder how New Zealand Maoris, in general, feel about members of the "All Blacks" rugby team, of other than Maori descent, using an imitation of the "haka" at matches? That ceremonial war dance is a very important part of the Maori heritage.
One people's valued culture should not be merely a fashion statement, probably temporarily, for another.
Quote from: Gloucester on June 18, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
I wonder how New Zealand Maoris, in general, feel about members of the "All Blacks" rugby team, of other than Maori descent, using an imitation of the "haka" at matches? That ceremonial war dance is a very important part of the Maori heritage.
I found this
(https://web.archive.org/web/20111227003042/http://www.3news.co.nz/Maori-leaders-at-odds-over-flash-mob-haka/tabid/1534/articleID/226469/Default.aspx) which seems to suggest they aren't all happy about how popular it has become in mainstream culture.
I wonder how many people would know about the Haka without rugby?
Quote from: Claireliontamer on June 18, 2017, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on June 18, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
I wonder how New Zealand Maoris, in general, feel about members of the "All Blacks" rugby team, of other than Maori descent, using an imitation of the "haka" at matches? That ceremonial war dance is a very important part of the Maori heritage.
I found this
(https://web.archive.org/web/20111227003042/http://www.3news.co.nz/Maori-leaders-at-odds-over-flash-mob-haka/tabid/1534/articleID/226469/Default.aspx) which seems to suggest they aren't all happy about how popular it has become in mainstream culture.
I wonder how many people would know about the Haka without rugby?
I remember reading about it before that, but the first time I ever saw it was a rugby game.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 18, 2017, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on June 18, 2017, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on June 18, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
I wonder how New Zealand Maoris, in general, feel about members of the "All Blacks" rugby team, of other than Maori descent, using an imitation of the "haka" at matches? That ceremonial war dance is a very important part of the Maori heritage.
I found this
(https://web.archive.org/web/20111227003042/http://www.3news.co.nz/Maori-leaders-at-odds-over-flash-mob-haka/tabid/1534/articleID/226469/Default.aspx) which seems to suggest they aren't all happy about how popular it has become in mainstream culture.
I wonder how many people would know about the Haka without rugby?
I remember reading about it before that, but the first time I ever saw it was a rugby game.
Yup, an important cultural heritage has, basically, become entertainment.
Misappropriation.
They once screened a Haka "duel" between two Maori "warriors" with full body tattoos on an Open University programme. Incredible! Sometimes a battle could be cancelled if it was judged one warrior, or all warriors en-mass, performed far better than the other side. Other cultures had similar practices but the Haka is special.
Bit OT but another duel, between India and Pakistan, that has its roots in culture and heritage (Asian with Imperial overtones) but is definitely now an entertainment!
Quote from: Claireliontamer on June 18, 2017, 10:02:39 AM
Some examples that keep coming up are: Washington Redskins NFL team using that name, things that are 'Cool' for White People – But 'Too Ethnic' for People of Colour like cornrows in hair, things that perpetuate stereotypes about a culture, people wearing native american headdresses as fashion accessories.
I don't think the Redskins example is the same thing. Redskin is a derogatory name for Native Americans that white people used against them, not something the native Americans themselves used. It's akin to calling a team the New York N-words.
Is perpetuating stereotypes the same thing we're talking about here? I feel like there's a difference between that and being influenced by other cultures, but admittedly the line is hazy.
Personally, I don't buy into the cultural appropriation taboo. People from other cultures come to my country so they can have a better life. They appropriate "American culture", and in exchange, people from here appropriate some of their culture, such a food, drink, customs, clothing, etc., and both are enriched by the process. That's one of the benefits of being in a "melting pot" type of society. We all give and take. That's why we can do Cinco de Mayo better than in Mexico and St. Patrick's better than in Ireland (heh heh).
Quote from: Firebird on June 18, 2017, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on June 18, 2017, 10:02:39 AM
Some examples that keep coming up are: Washington Redskins NFL team using that name, things that are 'Cool' for White People – But 'Too Ethnic' for People of Colour like cornrows in hair, things that perpetuate stereotypes about a culture, people wearing native american headdresses as fashion accessories.
I don't think the Redskins example is the same thing. Redskin is a derogatory name for Native Americans that white people used against them, not something the native Americans themselves used. It's akin to calling a team the New York N-words.
Is perpetuating stereotypes the same thing we're talking about here? I feel like there's a difference between that and being influenced by other cultures, but admittedly the line is hazy.
Yeah, that's not really cultural appropriation. Cultural appropriation is when I gave a Cinco de Mayo speech in Spanish (fair, not fluent), wearing a sombrero and singing
Cielito Lindo. Then I drank tequila and Corona that night. I'm celebrating Mexico's history, and when Mexicans come here they can celebrate July 4th. They stick it to the French and we stick it to the British. It's great!!!
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 19, 2017, 07:07:36 PM
Personally, I don't buy into the cultural appropriation taboo. People from other cultures come to my country so they can have a better life. They appropriate "American culture", and in exchange, people from here appropriate some of their culture, such a food, drink, customs, clothing, etc., and both are enriched by the process. That's one of the benefits of being in a "melting pot" type of society. We all give and take. That's why we can do Cinco de Mayo better than in Mexico and St. Patrick's better than in Ireland (heh heh).
If you immigrate and become part of the common culture, integrate, I would have thought that taking up those sort of things was all part of the package? But, say, if a new Lithuanian immigrant dressed in traditional Ojibwe fashion, especially if decorated with meaningful symbology, just for parties or for laughs in public, that would be appropriation of the wrong kind I think. I.e. "mis-appropriation".
Quote from: Gloucester on June 19, 2017, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 19, 2017, 07:07:36 PM
Personally, I don't buy into the cultural appropriation taboo. People from other cultures come to my country so they can have a better life. They appropriate "American culture", and in exchange, people from here appropriate some of their culture, such a food, drink, customs, clothing, etc., and both are enriched by the process. That's one of the benefits of being in a "melting pot" type of society. We all give and take. That's why we can do Cinco de Mayo better than in Mexico and St. Patrick's better than in Ireland (heh heh).
If you immigrate and become part of the common culture, integrate, I would have thought that taking up those sort of things was all part of the package? But, say, if a new Lithuanian immigrant dressed in traditional Ojibwe fashion, especially if decorated with meaningful symbology, just for parties or for laughs in public, that would be appropriation of the wrong kind I think. I.e. "mis-appropriation".
I think part of the problem too is the dominant group enjoying another groups cultural trinkets while oppressing the people of that culture. Which is about the only aspect of cultural (mis)appropriation I can understand being objectionable.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 19, 2017, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on June 19, 2017, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 19, 2017, 07:07:36 PM
Personally, I don't buy into the cultural appropriation taboo. People from other cultures come to my country so they can have a better life. They appropriate "American culture", and in exchange, people from here appropriate some of their culture, such a food, drink, customs, clothing, etc., and both are enriched by the process. That's one of the benefits of being in a "melting pot" type of society. We all give and take. That's why we can do Cinco de Mayo better than in Mexico and St. Patrick's better than in Ireland (heh heh).
If you immigrate and become part of the common culture, integrate, I would have thought that taking up those sort of things was all part of the package? But, say, if a new Lithuanian immigrant dressed in traditional Ojibwe fashion, especially if decorated with meaningful symbology, just for parties or for laughs in public, that would be appropriation of the wrong kind I think. I.e. "mis-appropriation".
I think part of the problem too is the dominant group enjoying another groups cultural trinkets while oppressing the people of that culture. Which is about the only aspect of cultural (mis)appropriation I can understand being objectionable.
Sure, if they are being oppressed that's not cool. But me not being able to adopt Mexican or Irish or Chinese dress or custom for an occasion is BS.
At what point does it go from being appropriation to incorporation, and is it less worse at that stage for people who feel offended at the idea that ?
The way I see it, cultures are fluid, and especially the western world incorporates elements from other countries and cultures with less resistance while sometimes giving those elements their own meaning. Same elements, different contexts so different meanings for different societies.
I guess I just don't see what's so offensive about that. If people want to have a Brazilian Carnival in other countries, go for it IMO. I'm sure we took it from somewhere or somewheres...
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 19, 2017, 11:59:31 PM
At what point does it go from being appropriation to incorporation, and is it less worse at that stage for people who feel offended at the idea that ?
The way I see it, cultures are fluid, and especially the western world incorporates elements from other countries and cultures with less resistance while sometimes giving those elements their own meaning. Same elements, different contexts so different meanings for different societies.
I guess I just don't see what's so offensive about that. If people want to have a Brazilian Carnival in other countries, go for it IMO. I'm sure we took it from somewhere or somewheres...
Brazilian Jui Jitsu was adapted when an immigrant came from asia to brazil and taught it in Brazil. It's now regarded as one of the best supplemental martial arts used in mma. None of that would be possible if Brazilians didn't adapt it.
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
Last year a dutch folks "music" group made a song about haka. Lets just say that it was not appreciated.
Watch at your own risk.
Quote from: Ali on June 20, 2017, 02:55:03 AM
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
Well, no, not entirely. I'd just as soon certain cultural elements simply die. Blood vendettas and FGM, to mention a couple. Also, I've found myself less and less sympathetic with tribalism in general. As a species, we don't benefit much from subdividing ourselves on arbitrary grounds.
Quote from: Ali on June 20, 2017, 02:55:03 AM
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
No, I don't think it is okay if it offends people. My problem is I can't always work out what will offend people!
Quote from: Ali on June 20, 2017, 02:55:03 AM
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
I think yes, it's the way it's always been for us.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 20, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: Ali on June 20, 2017, 02:55:03 AM
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
I think yes, it's the way it's always been for us.
Not all of us!
Quote from: Gloucester on June 20, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 20, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: Ali on June 20, 2017, 02:55:03 AM
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
I think yes, it's the way it's always been for us.
Not all of us!
Not necessarily as individuals, but as cultures certainly. Have any groups done more cultural borrowing than the English and their assorted colonies?
All I can think is, how can we learn about each other if we don't borrow from other cultures?
I think when cultural appropriation is a problem is when people say "you should stay over there cuz your Mexican" or something along those lines. When you start trying to box people into a predefined group, then you're causing problems.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 20, 2017, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: Gloucester on June 20, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 20, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: Ali on June 20, 2017, 02:55:03 AM
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
I think yes, it's the way it's always been for us.
Not all of us!
Not necessarily as individuals, but as cultures certainly. Have any groups done more cultural borrowing than the English and their assorted colonies?
Maybe the Americans and their assorted immigrants?
:grin:
PS: historically us Brits have been appropriating Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Norse, Viking and Norman stuff from those who invaded us. So then Latin, Anglo-Saxon, Norse, Old Danish, Norman French etc. into our lingo as well - long before we pinched pajamas, bungalows, gymkhanas and loads of other ideas and words from our colonies (even American words!)
Quote from: Recusant on June 20, 2017, 10:46:29 AM
As a species, we don't benefit much from subdividing ourselves on arbitrary grounds.
I'm curious, what grounds would you consider to be non-arbitrary, if any?
Quote from: Claireliontamer on June 20, 2017, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: Ali on June 20, 2017, 02:55:03 AM
So do all the white people agree? Cultural appropriation is a-okay!!!
(Sorry, feeling silly and "provocative" - in a joking way - tonight.)
No, I don't think it is okay if it offends people. My problem is I can't always work out what will offend people!
I think it depends a lot on the person! Some are just more prone to feeling offended than others.
Ever heard of Freud's narcissism of small differences (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences)? It all boils down to having a distinct identity and standing out, especially amongst groups that are quite similar to each other (in genealogy, lifestyle, beliefs, geographical location etc.) and setting clear distinctions between those groups. I'm me and you're you, not me or one of us. Let's not cross that line, OK?
In the modern world with the internet and fast travel distances have shrunk between otherwise very different groups. If this type of narcissism is real at the group scale then clashes are inevitable.
I think some people might feel offended at the idea of others appropriating elements of their culture because for them it means a loss of identity, instead of being different they become more and more alike, just one more in the herd. That could be a reason to lose sleep over for some people!
Twelve years ago I thought I was listening to a couple of young black lads having a lively discussion in college - the language, speech patterns and rhythms seemed to fit well. I was surprised to see that it actually two white lads and that they had the expressions and gestures off pat as well, quite unconciously I think.
Can only assume it was the popularity of Caribean music. Listened for more of it and heard conversations between black and white youths in a similar style, no sign of any "You have stolen my culture" sentiments. Perhaps a common love of music sootheth the racial beast?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 20, 2017, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: Recusant on June 20, 2017, 10:46:29 AM
As a species, we don't benefit much from subdividing ourselves on arbitrary grounds.
I'm curious, what grounds would you consider to be non-arbitrary, if any?
I'm having trouble coming up with any that I personally would consider non-arbitrary. I suppose I should qualify my statement by saying, "we don't benefit much in the long run . . ." Clearly some short term benefits to certain subdivisions of the species will accrue from arbitrary discrimination.
Quote from: Arturo on June 20, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
All I can think is, how can we learn about each other if we don't borrow from other cultures?
I think when cultural appropriation is a problem is when people say "you should stay over there cuz your Mexican" or something along those lines. When you start trying to box people into a predefined group, then you're causing problems.
Yeah, this is where I'm having a bit of a problem too. It also seems to me that a no vote on cultural appropriation (even mis-appropriation) is an unspoken yes vote on cultural purity, and in this country at least the only white people who are for that are the likes of the KKK and Nazis. Puts us pale types between a rock and a hard place when it comes to cultural fluidity.
Quote from: Gloucester on June 20, 2017, 01:20:38 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on June 20, 2017, 01:08:02 PM
Not necessarily as individuals, but as cultures certainly. Have any groups done more cultural borrowing than the English and their assorted colonies?
Maybe the Americans and their assorted immigrants?
:grin:
Absolutely. Which makes the whole "cultural purity" thing delusional for white/Euro-Americans but just try telling the white pride bunch that.
I think the SJWs have a lack of insight on their views
Which of the genius political correctness dipshits invented the "cultural appropriation" word pair?. Why dream up a concept that is potentially divisive by use of words like appropriation? Appropriation implies that I have stolen or otherwise taken possession of something that belongs exclusively to another person, group, or culture.
If I happen to like and proceed to prepare collard greens and cornbread, I am not misappropriating a food type that is often thought to be typically, or exclusively, African American. Or if I contract a taste for gin, I am not intruding on the cultural sensitivities of the Spanish who are said to have invented that brew. The world is becoming smaller and smaller by the minute. Best we accept and even appreciate that we can share and even derive mutual profit with some of the products, customs and tastes that others have developed.
It's not completely off base but it doesn't leave any room for nuance. There is no denying that dominant cultures have perpetrated some nasty shit over the years. People motivated by a zeal to improve things in this realm find it relatively easy to work from the assumption that dominant = bad/malevolent. Clearly that's an oversimplification and therefore incorrect, but zealous people are often prey to oversimplifying.
Given the above, if a dominant culture is doing something it's highly suspect and more than likely repugnant. So we have terms like 'cultural appropriation' that express this simplified view of social interactions.
(I'm trying to wean myself off using the term 'SJW' even though it's easily understood. It's become too widely used by regressive types as a club to bash anybody who doesn't conform to their view of the world. I think that some of the most vociferous people who're pushing the social justice agenda are taking their thing to a ridiculous place, but I agree with many of the basic ideas and would rather not resort to simplistic negativity. 'Political correctness dipshit' isn't bad, but again, 'political correctness' is overused in my opinion. ;))
What exactly is 'SJW'? I don't think I've ever encountered that acronym before. Social Justice Warrior?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 25, 2017, 12:54:40 PM
What exactly is 'SJW'? I don't think I've ever encountered that acronym before. Social Justice Warrior?
Yes actually
Quote from: Arturo on June 25, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 25, 2017, 12:54:40 PM
What exactly is 'SJW'? I don't think I've ever encountered that acronym before. Social Justice Warrior?
Yes actually
Ok :thumbsup:
Watching the cultural appropriation problems unfold, is fairly close to slowly following the narcissist's prayer:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhenchal.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2Ffe18f17651503c323e9a100e591e65fb.jpg&hash=36cd977da738815454b3a50fab97b36ea10330d5)
If you watch Fox News, first they deny anything is happening.
Then they say that if it happens, then it's not that bad.
Then they say if was bad, then those hurt should deal with it and suck it up.
And they deny any responsibility for it.
And they try to act like their intentions are pure.
Then they say that they deserved it for embracing what they should.