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Title: Proofs of God
Post by: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs  https://youtu.be/xjPcG-LIN5I


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Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs
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Hello, sweetto
Welcome.

Am I assuming correctly if I say that you're a religious person, in an atheist forum, trying to convince us that god exists? :eyebrow:

If I assumed correctly, why is it so important to you that we believe this? What do you get out of it?

~Just curious.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: No one on December 07, 2017, 12:29:36 AM
I suppose Harry Potter is the best explanation for the existence of Hogwarts.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 03:04:16 AM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 12:29:36 AM
I suppose Harry Potter is the best explanation for the existence of Hogwarts.

Yes.
I suppose Puff, the magic dragon is the best explanation for the existence of a land called Honahlee.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2017, 03:22:44 AM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 12:29:36 AM
I suppose Harry Potter is the best explanation for the existence of Hogwarts.
Well! Of course he is, how could anyone ever doubt it?
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 07, 2017, 06:28:39 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs

Hoo boy.  All of these "proofs" and "evidences" have been dealt and refuted so many times.  Bottom line -- theists are guessing about everything, which is fine, but it's still guessing.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 07:53:26 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs
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Hello, sweetto
Welcome.

Am I assuming correctly if I say that you're a religious person, in an atheist forum, trying to convince us that god exists? :eyebrow:

If I assumed correctly, why is it so important to you that we believe this? What do you get out of it?

~Just curious.
Why we need to follow traffic laws ?
That's same we should follow the instructions of Allah which He wrote in Holly books like Qur'an and Bible


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Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 07:55:08 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 07, 2017, 06:28:39 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs

Hoo boy.  All of these "proofs" and "evidences" have been dealt and refuted so many times.  Bottom line -- theists are guessing about everything, which is fine, but it's still guessing.
That's not just a guess
That is based of facts

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Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 07, 2017, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 07:55:08 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 07, 2017, 06:28:39 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs

Hoo boy.  All of these "proofs" and "evidences" have been dealt and refuted so many times.  Bottom line -- theists are guessing about everything, which is fine, but it's still guessing.
That's not just a guess
That is based of facts

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Guesses are not facts just because people suffering from wishful thinking say they are.  They're still guesses.  Do you understand what is required for something to be evidence?  Or are you perhaps suggesting that the Harry Potter books are evidence that Hogwarts exists?
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2017, 08:56:36 AM
Oh dear, sweetto, looks like you are suffering from a very serious case of unsubstantiated belief. The "It is true because it says it is" syndrome is quite evident.

I suggest that you take a non-participatory  tour of the hospitals and aid stations of Syria and Yemen to see just what effect your "Allah" has on men, women and children. All sides kill and injure in his name, "Allah hu akbar!"

Yes, "akbar" at invoking and inspiring death and destruction.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Guardian85 on December 07, 2017, 10:55:59 AM
Sweeto, what the bearded man in the dress (:snicker:)is espousing is called the First-Cause argument, or alternatively the Kalam Cosmological argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument

It is so common an argument that we made a name for it. And it has been refuted over, and over, and over , and over, and over, and over again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVGkl7lj_4
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2017, 11:27:57 AM
Thanks for that, G85. A good explanation, think I might fully underdtand it after the third or fourth viewing . . .

It did raise one side isdue in my mind though, but one thst rewuires a knowledge of ancient Greek and access to the first written bibles to check! Ftom mrmory it seems that a lot if the bible was mistranslated, fair chance that this was in favour of the pet beliefs of the monkish men who did thise translations. Then church Latin to see what the earliest theologians wrote, in thrir own words.

The word "cause" can also mean "purpose" as well as implying an underlying "creator". Thus if, "The Universe has a purpose" is substituted (OK! We believe that it does not!) it puts a slight slant on things. Doesn't change the argument but provides an interesting semantical side shoot. Translations and reiterations often bother me. (It is also why I am so cautious about how the media report things, one sloppy word usage can change the meaning of a sentence.)
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Dragonia on December 07, 2017, 12:49:26 PM
What I get from this thread may be something a little different.
I think it's interesting that the video clip looks like it's from maybe a Muslim apologetics series. That's actually great! When people start making apologetics, it means that they are trying to get to Truth, they're trying to figure things out. It's a good first step. Obviously, most apologetics are preaching to the choir, just trying to back up what one believes.
But it means people are thinking, which is better than a religion that does not tolerate thoughts or questions. Its a step in the right direction.
Keep thinking, Sweetto! :thinking:
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Davin on December 07, 2017, 01:57:01 PM
That's some pretty shitty evidence, and a fucking disrespectful representation of science. Before criticising science, they should understand what science is first.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Biggus Dickus on December 07, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on December 07, 2017, 10:55:59 AM
Sweeto, what the bearded man in the dress (:snicker:)is espousing is called the First-Cause argument, or alternatively the Kalam Cosmological argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument

It is so common an argument that we made a name for it. And it has been refuted over, and over, and over , and over, and over, and over again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVGkl7lj_4

Excellent post Gman, and that's a good video so thanks for posting!

After this I really don't think much more needs to be said on this thread...god still doesn't exist, never did.

Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 04:12:04 PM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 07:53:26 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs
...


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Hello, sweetto
Welcome.

Am I assuming correctly if I say that you're a religious person, in an atheist forum, trying to convince us that god exists? :eyebrow:

If I assumed correctly, why is it so important to you that we believe this? What do you get out of it?

~Just curious.
Why we need to follow traffic laws ?
That's same we should follow the instructions of Allah which He wrote in Holly books like Qur'an and Bible


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You're not gonna answer my questions, are you?  :sad sigh:
...O.K...
QuoteWhy we need to follow traffic laws ?
Because sometimes, for some strange reason, some people want to drive on the wrong side of the road. You also have the option of making a u turn.
:secrets1: Did you know you have that option?

QuoteThat's same we should follow the instructions of Allah which He wrote in Holly books like Qur'an and Bible
O.K..."We" sounds like a lot of people, and "Should" is debatable in my realm. It's fine if "You" want to follow the instructions of an invisible being who doesn't really give a shit about you, but don't come here trying to convince us to do the same. Please.

I will try one more time: What do you get out of us believing there is a god?
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: No one on December 07, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
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What do you get out of us believing there is a god?

You weren't aware? Evidently, heaven is a multilevel marketing scheme. I guess sweeto will get to live high on the hog.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 06:54:03 PM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
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What do you get out of us believing there is a god?

You weren't aware? Evidently, heaven is a multilevel marketing scheme. I guess sweeto will get to live high on the hog.

A multilevel marketing scheme?  :chin: Interesting.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Guardian85 on December 07, 2017, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 05:04:12 PM

You weren't aware? Evidently, heaven is a multilevel marketing scheme. I guess sweeto will get to live high on the hog.
I might steal that next time I run into a missionary.  ;D




Quote from: Father Bruno on December 07, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Excellent post Gman, and that's a good video so thanks for posting!

After this I really don't think much more needs to be said on this thread...god still doesn't exist, never did.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0958bb49d003f1f6087c021e2b1c0c93/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Dragonia on December 07, 2017, 08:00:57 PM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
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What do you get out of us believing there is a god?

You weren't aware? Evidently, heaven is a multilevel marketing scheme. I guess sweeto will get to live high on the hog.
Um, I don't think that video is gonna help Sweetto to live high on any hog (which is such a perfect way to put it, considering it's an apparent Muslim we're talking to. You comedian, you!)
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on December 07, 2017, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 05:04:12 PM

You weren't aware? Evidently, heaven is a multilevel marketing scheme. I guess sweeto will get to live high on the hog.
I might steal that next time I run into a missionary.  ;D




Quote from: Father Bruno on December 07, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Excellent post Gman, and that's a good video so thanks for posting!

After this I really don't think much more needs to be said on this thread...god still doesn't exist, never did.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0958bb49d003f1f6087c021e2b1c0c93/tenor.gif)

That is a good video.

I would also like to add that he is a handsome, charismatic, smart, hippie looking man, with a nice accent, as well. I think he convinced me to subscribe.  :notsure:
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Biggus Dickus on December 07, 2017, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on December 07, 2017, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 05:04:12 PM

You weren't aware? Evidently, heaven is a multilevel marketing scheme. I guess sweeto will get to live high on the hog.
I might steal that next time I run into a missionary.  ;D




Quote from: Father Bruno on December 07, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Excellent post Gman, and that's a good video so thanks for posting!

After this I really don't think much more needs to be said on this thread...god still doesn't exist, never did.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0958bb49d003f1f6087c021e2b1c0c93/tenor.gif)

That is a good video.

I would also like to add that he is a handsome, charismatic, smart, hippie looking man, with a nice accent, as well. I think he convinced me to subscribe.  :notsure:

Women ::)

Always thinking with their, well you know what,...their thingy. :dance1:
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on December 07, 2017, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on December 07, 2017, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on December 07, 2017, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: No one on December 07, 2017, 05:04:12 PM

You weren't aware? Evidently, heaven is a multilevel marketing scheme. I guess sweeto will get to live high on the hog.
I might steal that next time I run into a missionary.  ;D




Quote from: Father Bruno on December 07, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Excellent post Gman, and that's a good video so thanks for posting!

After this I really don't think much more needs to be said on this thread...god still doesn't exist, never did.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0958bb49d003f1f6087c021e2b1c0c93/tenor.gif)

That is a good video.

I would also like to add that he is a handsome, charismatic, smart, hippie looking man, with a nice accent, as well. I think he convinced me to subscribe.  :notsure:

Women ::)

Always thinking with their, well you know what,...their thingy. :dance1:

Yes, that thingy, the heart, it is a wonderful thing, isn't it? :dance1:



Edit:
I forgot to mention that he also has a soothing voice.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 08, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: sweetto on December 07, 2017, 12:00:57 AM
Best explanation about Allah(God) existence with evidences and proofs  https://youtu.be/xjPcG-LIN5I


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Seriously? That's the best you can offer?

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Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: No one on December 08, 2017, 03:55:29 PM
Well, to sweeto's credit Argentium, it is on the internet, therefore it must be true.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: Tank on December 08, 2017, 03:56:27 PM
It's videos of people like this that remind me why I'm an atheist. The abject fucking stupidity of him and the ideas he promotes is beyond my comprehension. A complete fucktard spouting bullshit. The sooner the world is rid of theism the better.
Title: Re: Proofs of God
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 08, 2017, 04:14:39 PM
Quote from: No one on December 08, 2017, 03:55:29 PM
Well, to sweeto's credit Argentium, it is on the internet, therefore it must be true.

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Wise words, those of Mr Washington.