I found this very convincing. It doesn't surprise me at all that Trump supporters and the rest of us are using the same words but meaning different things.
QuoteOnce you grasp that for Trump and many of his supporters, corruption means less the violation of law than the violation of established hierarchies, their behavior makes more sense.
Why Trump Supporters Think He's Not Corrupt (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/?utm_source=fbb)
Did you just use the word think when refering to Trump supporters?
On August 22nd 6 people were been killed and thirteen injured in America due to gun violence. And yet some corrupt people want to stop a fine, democratic and constitutional tradiition because of such things!
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
Quote from: No one on August 23, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
Did you just use the word think when refering to Trump supporters?
Sometimes it's unavoidable, language is limited.
Quote from: Sandra Craft on August 23, 2018, 10:05:27 AM
Quote from: No one on August 23, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
Did you just use the word think when refering to Trump supporters?
Sometimes it's unavoidable, language is limited.
There's the problem, we mock them.
Got nothen new? Mock the rednecks
Dull as they may be they know it.
There's no fixing it is there?
No, unless,
Elect Conscript Tom Hanks as President.
We hate Tom Hanks, he was the gay in that gay movie.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on August 23, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Sandra Craft on August 23, 2018, 10:05:27 AM
Quote from: No one on August 23, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
Did you just use the word think when refering to Trump supporters?
Sometimes it's unavoidable, language is limited.
There's the problem, we mock them.
Got nothen new? Mock the rednecks
Dull as they may be they know it.
There's no fixing it is there?
No, unless,
Elect Conscript Tom Hanks as President.
We hate Tom Hanks, he was the gay in that gay movie.
I have to disagree.
We've lost the true ability to mock others without apologizing. Well, the left has. Thanks political correctness!
Here's the thing: many stupid people no longer think they're stupid. Mockery can be part of a feedback loop that informs even the dimmest of people that they are dim.
As it is now, they've been empowered by seeing a dim, corrupt, morally bankrupt man be elevated to the office of the president.
Open mockery is needed now more than ever, imho.
(steps down from comedy soapbox)
...
(gets back on comedy soapbox)
Actually, mockery is useful for other things too... health issues, drug abuse, work ethics, moral failings. I just can't say enough good things about mockery!
(ok, I'm off for now - tip your waiters and waitresses... good night Cleveland!)
Quote from: joeactor on August 23, 2018, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on August 23, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Sandra Craft on August 23, 2018, 10:05:27 AM
Quote from: No one on August 23, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
Did you just use the word think when refering to Trump supporters?
Sometimes it's unavoidable, language is limited.
There's the problem, we mock them.
Got nothen new? Mock the rednecks
Dull as they may be they know it.
There's no fixing it is there?
No, unless,
Elect Conscript Tom Hanks as President.
We hate Tom Hanks, he was the gay in that gay movie.
I have to disagree.
We've lost the true ability to mock others without apologizing. Well, the left has. Thanks political correctness!
Here's the thing: many stupid people no longer think they're stupid. Mockery can be part of a feedback loop that informs even the dimmest of people that they are dim.
As it is now, they've been empowered by seeing a dim, corrupt, morally bankrupt man be elevated to the office of the president.
Open mockery is needed now more than ever, imho.
So you've fucked up their heads with decades of derision
Now Trump
Answer is more derision
Quote from: Bad Penny II on August 25, 2018, 04:59:49 PM
So you've fucked up their heads with decades of derision
Now Trump
Answer is more derision
Except if we're nice to them the result is still Trump. And since they're the ones who appreciate non-PC, tell it like it is honesty . . .
Quote from: Bad Penny II on August 25, 2018, 04:59:49 PMSo you've fucked up their heads with decades of derision
Now Trump
Answer is more derision
:rofl: If anything their heads have been fucked up by decades of listening to right wing talk radio and Fox News.
Another take on the differences between Trump supporters and others: The irreconcilable differences of this Presidency (https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/03/21/the-irreconcilable-differences-of-this-presidency/)
And yes, Pavlovitz is a devout Xtian -- he's a preacher, in fact -- but don't let that put you off, he's completely sane.
Quote from: Sandra Craft on August 27, 2018, 12:04:01 AM
Another take on the differences between Trump supporters and others: The irreconcilable differences of this Presidency (https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/03/21/the-irreconcilable-differences-of-this-presidency/)
And yes, Pavlovitz is a devout Xtian -- he's a preacher, in fact -- but don't let that put you off, he's completely sane.
He is evidently a man who believes in "Christian values". I can certainly respect him for that, whether someone called Jesus was the author of those values or merely promoted them.
As tempting as mocking Dumpster Fire supporters is, I don't think the insults really land anymore. They've had their twisted, bigoted, misogynistic, racist, homophobic POVs elevated into the highest office in the land, so they couldn't give a shit what the rest of us think, they figure we're just insulting them because we're sore losers. Which I suppose they're right, to a point. But I don't think insulting them really accomplishes anything-it certainly doesn't turn their hearts or change their minds, if anything, it just seems to reinforce to them the idea that somehow, they're in the right.
@OP Nah. Not buying it. I think it has to do with political block priorities, rather than the use and understanding of words.
Quote from: joeactor on August 23, 2018, 06:35:45 PM
We've lost the true ability to mock others without apologizing. Well, the left has. Thanks political correctness!
Political correctness is not a conscious actor. If you are going to pin the blame on a donkey, then pin it on the correct donkey. It depends on how far back you want to go, but right here and now, I'd say that the culprit be the academia, specifically that dealing with sociology, gender studies, social justice and a couple of other more-or-less dead-end, more-or-less useless academic persuasions, churning out professional activists. ;)
Quote from: Sandra Craft on August 23, 2018, 01:19:47 AM
I found this very convincing. It doesn't surprise me at all that Trump supporters and the rest of us are using the same words but meaning different things.
QuoteOnce you grasp that for Trump and many of his supporters, corruption means less the violation of law than the violation of established hierarchies, their behavior makes more sense.
Why Trump Supporters Think He's Not Corrupt (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/?utm_source=fbb)
Or maybe for Trump supporters corruption means proven violation of law, while for his critics alleged violations are sufficient.
By now it's "Us" vs. "Them", it's a fight out on the field of battle. They may see flaws with their king, but no dissing the king during times of war. No dissing the quarterback when the game is on the line. It's one for all and all for one. They can sort out the issues later - right now they are in full battle mode and want to win. At this point, the Democrats have the ball and are marching forward. The Trumpistas sense danger and are fighting back. It does not good to question the quarterback now - he is getting sacked (tackled behind the line in American football), so his linemen have to protect him. This won't end until one side has clearly won.
This is December 20.............the wheels are coming off. Our illustrious leader has opted to withdraw our military presence from Syria. He says that ISIS has been defeated despite the fact that there are still 20 to 30 thousand ISIS fighters in Syria. .General Mattis the Department of Defense guy has resigned because the Prez knows more about military tactics than he does....The french and Brits and other participants are pissed at Trump because he has abandoned them to hang out to dry. The stock market is crashing. The dumb fuck is going to shut down the government if he does net get his 5 billion funding for the fucking wall, (never mind that the wall will cost many times five billion and that it would take at least ten years to build the stupid monstrosity after he has retired to a Mara-Lago golf course or is (my choice) languishing in prison.
oh shit, here I go again.
just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water.
after just a few non inflammatory responses, here I find myself once again inviting grief upon me by not simply overlooking this topic.
ok...here we go:
Trump may be an asshole, but he is OUR asshole.
screw the rest of the world and socialists living the good life in the USA; the life fought for by generations of men and women making it possible for you.
why don't those caravans of pathetic humans stay home and fight for their rights as US citizens did?
why don't Muslim countries invite the masses of Islamic worshipers currently invading Germany and France into their countries?
how often does the US have to come to the rescue of socialist leaning governments in order to support their failing economies?
why should the US allow undocumented aliens to enter our country?
is there no god to provide help to all his suffering children? (i just threw that in for fun).
ok...i feel better now.
Oh, I think you'll find that there are a few of us who tend to agree ;-)
We are by no means a Build-That-Wall-MAGA-bunch, but neither do we all strive to live in John Lennon's Imagine through the power of Leftism™.
(For those new to this forum, when I'm talking about Leftism™, I'm talking specifically about the Progressive identity politics movements, not like... Obamas or Clintons of the Left)
Ah, yes.
I remember now why I didn't want to be part of this forum anymore. Thank you for reminding me. :reading:
"ok...i feel better now."
Maggie,
as always, whenever a woman responds to me, I am totally confused as to your response :)
have I aroused you (no innuendo intended) intellectually; or repulsed you (an unfortunately frequent result of my interaction with those of the weaker vessel)?
Quote from: jimbob on December 21, 2018, 06:55:54 PM
Maggie,
as always, whenever a woman responds to me, I am totally confused as to your response :)
have I aroused you (no innuendo intended) intellectually; or repulsed you (an unfortunately frequent result of my interaction with those of the weaker vessel)?
What do you think Mags meant, jimbob? :fingertap: Not only did you post your xenophobic views ("pathetic humans"? Really?) but you added a misogynistic reply for good measure.
I would like to remind you that it's an accident that you were born in the US and not in some less privileged country. You were not born under a dictatorship. You most likely never knew famine or lived with the uncertainties the very poor live with. You are not better than a mother from Latin America trying to get into the US to give her children opportunities she never had herself. You're not better than anyone.
You're just someone born in a reasonable country (by no means the best place to live in the world) taking advantage of what previous generations have done...but which you have not done yourself.
ah Silver,
thank you for taking your valuable time to speak with me.
first, re what Maggie meant; as I stated, I have no idea.
I will skip over the middle of your socialist rant, since I have found that reasonable responses to socialist ideologies fall upon deaf ears.
finally, as regards me not having done anything to contribute efforts toward supporting "a reasonable country"; I enlisted in the military at the age of 17 (with my parents consent), and received an honorable discharge (despite a couple of slaps on the wrist for minor discretions involving insubordination...who would have guessed :) )
best wishes to you and the "sisterhood of the traveling panties" :)
Quote from: jimbob on December 21, 2018, 06:55:54 PM
Maggie,
as always, whenever a woman responds to me, I am totally confused as to your response :)
have I aroused you (no innuendo intended) intellectually; or repulsed you (an unfortunately frequent result of my interaction with those of the weaker vessel)?
What the living fuck! You do not take liberties with existing member.
He's gone.
EDIT: I've banned jimbob. There is a discussion thread in staff about this. If you want to add anything to that PM me or another staff member.
Thanks
Chris
Quote from: jimbob on December 21, 2018, 08:14:14 PM
ah Silver,
thank you for taking your valuable time to speak with me.
first, re what Maggie meant; as I stated, I have no idea.
I will skip over the middle of your socialist rant, since I have found that reasonable responses to socialist ideologies fall upon deaf ears.
finally, as regards me not having done anything to contribute efforts toward supporting "a reasonable country"; I enlisted in the military at the age of 17 (with my parents consent), and received an honorable discharge (despite a couple of slaps on the wrist for minor discretions involving insubordination...who would have guessed :) )
best wishes to you and the "sisterhood of the traveling panties" :)
You're not going to be able to get a rise out of me, you're just not that good a troll.
You enlisted in the military at age 17? Good for you...you were a pawn in someone else's game. It still doesn't make you better than anyone else. I have to wonder though, did a woman give you a frontal concussion or something? Why all the hate?
Quote from: Tank on December 21, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
EDIT: I've banned jimbob.
Well...that ended quickly! :lol:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 21, 2018, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 21, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
EDIT: I've banned jimbob.
Well...that ended quickly! :lol:
Not that big a surprise, given his last two posts on this thread. Well, I'm sure he's happy somewhere, adding a brand new ban to his collection.
Note to self: must add "what the living fuck" to my repertoire.
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Quote from: Tank on December 21, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
What the living fuck! You do not take liberties with existing member.
He's gone.
EDIT: I've banned jimbob. There is a discussion thread in staff about this. If you want to add anything to that PM me or another staff member.
Thanks
Chris
Well done Tank. We can have our disagreements, but there's no need for gross disrespect.
Good move, Tank. We don't need that type of toxicity here.
Jesus Christ what an asshole.
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Hugs back.
May I give that sweet little pixie a grandfatherly hug ?
I don't care who she is or where she came from, her picture is precious.
Quote from: Icarus on December 24, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
May I give that sweet little pixie a grandfatherly hug ?
I don't care who she is or where she came from, her picture is precious.
:rofl:
Quote from: Magdalena on December 25, 2018, 08:18:39 AM
Quote from: Icarus on December 24, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
May I give that sweet little pixie a grandfatherly hug ?
I don't care who she is or where she came from, her picture is precious.
:devil:
:snicker1:
He had all the earmarks of a person with the handle "Maketunai" at AtheistForums.org. Got banned there, too!
I like what the preacher guy had to say. It's sad to see many people sticking to their guns for the Chump(R).
Quote from: Dark Lightning on December 25, 2018, 03:54:58 PM
He had all the earmarks of a person with the handle "Maketunai" at AtheistForums.org. Got banned there, too!
I like what the preacher guy had to say. It's sad to see many people sticking to their guns for the Chump(R).
I was waiting to see if you recognised him.
I still think that the litlte tyke is precious. OK so she is a prankster..............Holy shit that might be her actual daddy.
Quote from: Recusant on August 26, 2018, 12:41:22 AMIf anything their heads have been fucked up by decades of listening to right wing talk radio and Fox News.
I have decades of listening to conservative talk radio, and I am going to claim that I am a very smart person, if not the most important person in the world, right now.
The government needs to be reorganized - why can't the people on your side figure that out? There are several people on my side trying to fix it - there are none on your side trying to fix it. In fact, Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean have denounced trying to fix it. You do know it was designed in compromise with racist white slave owners, and a century before the establishment of the social sciences, don't you???
Quote from: Sandra Craft on August 23, 2018, 01:19:47 AM
I found this very convincing. It doesn't surprise me at all that Trump supporters and the rest of us are using the same words but meaning different things.
QuoteOnce you grasp that for Trump and many of his supporters, corruption means less the violation of law than the violation of established hierarchies, their behavior makes more sense.
The problem causing this disagreement/division is that the government is inadequately organized - the government is not organized to properly review and graduate (the tremendous diversity of) arguments, including the description of corruption.
Eventually, the rational and reasonable people are going to recognize that we need to have a constitutional convention that gathers the diversity of people that the founders and subsequent generations could not gather to reorganize the public institutions that were erroneously established in compromise with racist white slave owners of a by-gone era of sophistication.
The founders, and subsequent generations, only had one simple formula to work with, and although, it accurately divides the government into the three parts, what they did not have was a formula for the subsequent divisions of those three parts; and consequently, what we have now, is a semi-chaotic mess that is politely referred to as "political gridlock," that trickles down in the forms of corruption, hypocrisy, hysteria, frustration, criminality, and violence. Although, we enjoy a better standard of living than most other economies, we maintain a skewed approach to social justice and tranquility, because the government is relatively unreliable compared to our advanced expectations of cooperative organizational systems.
Quote from: SidewalkCynic on January 25, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
...if not the most important person in the world, right now.
Oh wow.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 25, 2019, 07:10:42 PM
Quote from: SidewalkCynic on January 25, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
...if not the most important person in the world, right now.
Oh wow.
He probably is one of the most important people on Earth. That doesn't mean that's a good thing or a bad thing. Along with Putin and the Chinese chap. What a wonderful thought.